Venting about Mangina Fathers

[John DoeParticipant 743]

What is everyone’s experiences/observations with “Mangina” fathers?

My observations?

I used to look up to my dad as a kid but as I got older I fear I have lost some respect for the man.  Out of everyone in my family he has probably gave me more shaming language in regards to not getting married/girlfriend/etc.  Even more than the women in my family, ironically.

In regards to women, he always talks about how their treatment and lives are unjust.  However when I counter with the issues men face today, which are worse in many respects, he just ignores it.

He worked his ass off to provide everything my Mom ever wanted only to be walked on and used like a doormat.  Although I am not 100% sure,  I have heard comments by him implying he is going to leave all his property to her “because he is afraid his son’s won’t take care of her”.  Which is bulls~~~ because I am literally lending or giving what little money I have had at times to help them financially in tough times.   My brother has done the same.  Often times we have lent literally everything but 5-20 dollars in an effort to help with financial issues.

Growing up my mother would steal items from him, left to him by his father, and sell them to by stupid little ceramic houses.  Whenever she would work she would guilt trip everyone with her “sacrifices” for the family.   During the beginning of my college years my dad looked into getting into an easier business on his health and to help him retire.  But he needed my mom to work about 20 hrs per week just sitting at a desk looking over mentally handicapped people, for legal reasons.  She wouldn’t do it, because it didn’t “make her feel comfortable.”  He was suffering from kidney stones during and prior to this time, from work and stress. He had a mini stroke 2 years later.  2 heart attacks six years later.

I can’t help but wonder if half the struggle of “growing up” was caused by his way of thinking rather than me.

My mom caused as much financial problems for the family, as everyone else’s stupid mistakes combined.

Still he is so fixed on me getting a woman that he even recommended me converting to Amish so I can marry one of theirs.

I have to stop typing because my computer gets glitch with long posts or I would write more.

I am venting as much as I am anxious about hearing about everyone’s else’s experiences.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Men are seen to be only as valuable as the value they can produce for women and their children and for the system that supports women and their children. This is the basic premise underlying traditional marriage and the disposability of men in our culture and is, I believe, the number one reason most men who discover this premise become MGTOW in some form or another.

My father never discovered this principle. He lived his entire life working for my mother and her daughter from a previous marriage. His child by her (me!) was put up for adoption so that she could keep The other man’s child. She dominates him completely, does not let him hold money, dresses him up like a preppy Ken doll, got a poodle without his consent so that he would bond with it and uses his “cuteness” to get discounts at restaurants. She has spent all his money on five bedroom McMansion where the two of them live by themselves and has caused him to completely cut himself off from his family… including his first child from a previous marriage and myself.

I have no respect for a man who has no respect for himself.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

That sucks doc.

As a kid I always thought I would grow to respect my father as I got older.  Sadly, and I mean sadly, I have lost a lot of respect for him and also developed a sense of anger towards him.

When I was in between jobs about 8 months ago and having financial difficulty he would use shaming language such as “you are a failure as a man” or all I was doing “was trying to hurt him”.  Ironically, he came begging for money from me months later for heart meds.  And I gave it of course.

Years ago, he would talk big talk about how he would pay for my college.  I went of course, even though I didn’t want to.  I even clearly expressed I didn’t want to on several occasions.  But who can argue against “free?”  Now I have about $10,000 in student loans.

I still live at home because of the cost of living, so I can only hold so much anger.  He could have kicked me out, like other dads.   I just never talk to him anymore.  I am an alien in my own house.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I hear you, John. At the risk of turning this into a “feels” thread, I made every effort to accept my mother and to bond with my father… but when I told him that his first child (with whom he never speaks) is just as much my brother as my mother’s first child (who he paid to raise) is my sister, he had nothing to say.

It was clear he didn’t care about his first kid nor did he care about me in the end… letting my mother cut off communication with me and doing nothing to prevent it. I suppose his poodle, his lawn and my mother’s leash around his neck are all he needs.

On the plus side, there was a man in my life who inspired me to do something with myself and be happy… his name was Charles Chillingworth and he was an attorney in West Palm Beach, Florida who dated my adopted mother (after she divorced my adopted father) when I was a boy. He was the closest thing to a MGTOW I’d ever met until I heard of the concept myself… had his own practice, made a s~~~-ton of money, owned a two story Spanish Villa style home with a huge master suite and a room devoted exclusively to a model train set, huge playrooms for his two boys, three boats, a converted van for summer road trips and a sports car for his daily driver.

This guy taught me how to play chess, took me to the World’s Fair (such as it was in those days) and to amusement parks and summer camp as well as sailing, fishing and dirt bike riding and basically showed me by example what it meant to have fun without worrying what a female had to say about it. Unfortunately my adopted mother (who was also a c~~~ and bi-polar to boot) treated him like s~~~ and he eventually bailed. Without his influence I probably would have become a mangina myself.

So even though it’s probably not a very MGTOW thing to say, I do encourage men to date single mothers with young sons and set a good example to those sons and show them that there is a world where females do not have power… even if they only see it for a brief time (for as long as you can stand their bitchy, self-absorbed, money grasping moms) you’ll be doing the kid a world of good. Just watch your ass and get out at the first sign of trouble. And avoid women with daughters. Too much chance of a molestation charge and you can’t do s~~~ for them anyway.

[JimboParticipant 162]

My father was not a mangina while I was growing up so I don’t know how it would have been for me if that was the case.

It does seem though that many mangina fathers do tend to set their children up for failure.

[JimboParticipant 162]

docfenderson, That sucks.  That was a pretty spineless move on his part.  If I was married again (It ain’t happening ladies, don’t get your hopes up) and had a kid with her and she told me that.  I would record that statement, get a divorce, and play that recording in court every chance I got during the custody hearings.

 

Dude, don’t let that get you down.  At the end of the day, just realize the misery he has brought upon himself.  As for the wifey, she is even more miserable than he is.  (That is the norm for women whose husbands are not happy)

[John DoeParticipant 743]

It does seem though that many mangina fathers do tend to set their children up for failure.

 

Interesting observation.  Explain.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

My dad is kind of in the gray area when it comes to his relationship with my mom. She has never been free to spend his money how she likes, he basically gives her an allowance (still to this day and they’ve been married almost 40 years) and most of it is spent on groceries and other household necessities. Needless to say she does not spend money frivolously. However she has never been that type so my dad is fortunate in that way as she is a lot more sensible when it comes to money and possessions. She also is somewhat savvy when it comes to the stock market and only uses HER earned income to invest in what she wants.

But on the other hand he still has to put up with her s~~~, occasional nagging and moodiness that he’s obviously tolerating more for her sake than anything else. His dad died when he was young and his mom was an alcoholic loser so I’m sure I could delve into the psychological aspects and all that BS. He is just the type of guy that doesn’t like confrontation and would rather do the typical “yes, dear” “whatever you say dear” placating than get into arguments, though he will put her in her place from time to time.

My mom actually genuinely respects my dad and it shows in her general behavior, which I think is why they have had a successful relationship with very few bumps in the road.

I don’t think women can marry and hope to have a stable marriage if they marry a guy that isn’t better than they are. They have to accept the fact that he’s her superior and that assuming he conducts himself with respectability, should be respected.

Women who marry men who they feel are weak or less than they are will eventually resent them. It’s like some need to be dominated and kept in their place that they need men to provide.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Sorry can’t relate as my father was ahead of his time in understanding women. He was called a chauvinist pig because he took no s~~~ and told it like it was. He was cheated on in two marriages but gave em no second chance and got custody of me when I was four. He did this by out manipulating my mother.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 14]

Thankfully the only good part of my childhood was that my father was an Alpha. A bit too Alpha to be honest and he ran the family like a platoon commander. He wasn’t abusive but he was a bit too rigid at times. I was a little scared of him as a kid so obviously I was closer to my mother until I got older. I was the second child in his second marriage so the age difference between me and him was nearly 50 years. So naturally when I was 14 he had a massive cerebral and was bed ridden in an almost vegetative state for 17 years till he passed away a couple of years back.

I didn’t get to have much of a father-son time with him which I still regret. His influence on my life is profound. He taught me how not to smoke by handing me a cigar when I was 4, to which I obviously choked and that created a deep anti-smoke scar on my psyche and hence I’m a non-smoker today. 😛
I can smoke 1 or 2 at times, just not addicted to that stuff. He also taught me how to drink with respect by handing me my first glass of champagne when I was 7(properly diluted of course). I drink(a lot) now but I learned from him how not to abuse the substance.
My mother blew her lid on both occasions but he told her, look there will come a time he simply wont listen to us so it better to teach him these things while he still does.

Like I said I didn’t get to have many father-son time with him but a couple of months before he fell ill we had a chat while he was tending to his plants as gardening was one of his hobbies. He knew he was getting old and something might happen to him so he gave me a few pointers on life. He told me in his absence to respect my mother but also take up his role as the man in the family because if I relegate that position to my mother and sister I will be kowtowing to women for the rest of my life. He also told me that a woman can take control of a man and do horrible things to him but it is as long as the man allows her to, the power is really with the man not the woman. Regarding marriage he told me that he’d never pressure me as it is my life so its my call, just told me in a slightly cryptic manner not to make the same mistakes that he did.

Its been two years and boy do I miss him. The saddest part of a boy’s life is not to have a father figure, to look up to, to model his own life on his. I lost mine when I was 14 and I never quite recovered from the loss. Today I’m a MGTOW and I take no s~~~ from women or anyone for that matter but I’m at a constant battle with myself. A part of me, however small keeps demotivating me all time, tells me to be a mangina, give up this futile resistance and just surrender my dick to a pussy and live the rest of my life under her feet in blissful ignorance.
I feel a part of my backbone is missing due to an adolescence spend without a father figure and that makes my internal conflict with my tenuous submissive side even more challenging. Especially with all the external influences coming to play as I discussed on that Relentless Assault post.

No wonder this is still one of my favourite Christmas carols of all time.

[Anonymous 11]

Anonymous wrote:

I lost mine when I was 14 and I never quite recovered from the loss

@Triklops: My father was the antithesis of a mangina, and I’m not mincing words. I lost him at age 15 with no chance to even say goodbye. It hurt me in that I was just in the early years of my dealing with women. I was so naive and ignorant of them that I was like a ship without a rudder. His lack of guidance set me back 30 years by having to teach myself though each relations~~~.

The fact that my Dad was not a mangina was probably the only thing that saved me from becoming a mangina. I was damn pathetic back in my White Knight/Blue Pill era, but the example set by my father would rescue me whenever they went in for the final kill. A boy with a mangina father is starting off having been dealt a weak hand. There is very little, if anything, in modern Western culture that ever promotes positive masculinity. I’m not sure what the situation India is like in that respect.

We really need a Big MGTOW Brother mentoring program for boys in need here in the US. That would be about as popular as having a turd floating in the punch bowl as we say over here.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

I feel a part of my backbone is missing due to an adolescence spend without a father figure and that makes my internal conflict with my tenuous submissive side even more challenging.

@Triklops, we’re here for you, we’re like a back bone infusion for each other, we’ll not fall into the spirit of having the spine of a jellyfish, that’s the definition I give manginas! Step on them and squish them around, and still no change, however they do remember the mental challenge (red pill) and perhaps some day, they will meet another jelly squishing MGHOW and they may just grow a little spine, somewhere in there jellyness.

“Hey Pig”, My father destroyed my mother’s car, his reason was she wanted to go to work, he wanted her to stay home and care for the children, I was 5.5 yrs old, I remember it not as trauma, as modern psychotherapists would have you believe, I saw it as her being treated as one of us children, being put in her place, that’s how I took it! Even with him smashing the car to pieces, I had no fear of him whatsoever! I believe I learned the proper position for a woman that day.

[Anonymous 14]

Anonymous wrote:

There is very little, if anything, in modern Western culture that ever promotes positive masculinity. I’m not sure what the situation India is like in that respect.

The modern culture in India is steadily following the Toronto/Sweden model. The manspread thing was quite a hit in my city and thats why I whenever I use a public transportation I make sure I sit with my legs spread, those feminazi c~~~s can come suck my right nut. India has also become a playground for western radical feminists like Naomi Wolf who often come here to spread their sick s~~~, ya know white woman’s burden n all. Also because India is one of the few non-Islamic, non-authoritarian states in Asia. Islam being so rigid obviously rejects feminism ignoring which will result in a quick beheading and those c~~~s know that they can’t pull their s~~~ in authoritarian states like China where they’ll be either end up being deported or imprisoned or a bullet to the back of their head.

There is a strong men’s right presence here who successfully overturned an extremely gynocentric law that enabled the police to arrest a husband and his family and keep them in prison without investigation or a chance of bail if a wife complained of harassment. But we need a lot more than that.

Anonymous wrote:

@Triklops, we’re here for you, we’re like a back bone infusion for each other, we’ll not fall into the spirit of having the spine of a jellyfish, that’s the definition I give manginas! Step on them and squish them around, and still no change, however they do remember the mental challenge (red pill) and perhaps some day, they will meet another jelly squishing MGHOW and they may just grow a little spine, somewhere in there jellyness.

Right on brother!

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

We really need a Big MGTOW Brother mentoring program for boys in need here in the US. That would be about as popular as having a turd floating in the punch bowl as we say over here.

“Hey Pig”, I’m working on an 8year old relative, he’s learning responsibility covertly, I let him ride a small ATV 110 cc, I had him read the stickers prohibiting any one under 16 was illegal to operate. He looked at me with a surprise in his eyes! He couldn’t believe it, there was no conflict, he new the stickers were bulls~~~! I told him how (in every way) the machine could parallelize or kill him! He’s getting better….. It’s too bad His mom is somewhat feminist. Call me Johnny MGTOW seeds!

[Anonymous 14]

Anonymous wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ChauvinistPig wrote:</div>
We really need a Big MGTOW Brother mentoring program for boys in need here in the US. That would be about as popular as having a turd floating in the punch bowl as we say over here.

“Hey Pig”, I’m working on an 8year old relative, he’s learning responsibility covertly, I let him ride a small ATV 110 cc, I had him read the stickers prohibiting any one under 16 was illegal to operate. He looked at me with a surprise in his eyes! He couldn’t believe it, there was no conflict, he new the stickers were bulls~~~! I told him how (in every way) the machine could parallelize or kill him! He’s getting better….. It’s too bad His mom is somewhat feminist. Call me Johnny MGTOW seeds!

This is what I plan to do myself. Stay single and adopt a couple of boys, teach them how to be a true man and not the modern social definition of one.

[Anonymous 11]

@Triklops: Toronto/Sweden is way worse than here, but we’re getting there. FYI: As if you don’t already know, the white woman’s burden excuse is crap. Their load pales to what men of all hues have to tote. It’s a shame our poisoned women are coming over there and spreading this mayhem into India.

@MG-Tower: Covert Ops are what it takes. I love what you’re doing. I was beginning to try to work with my last relations~~~’s young son as he bonded with me very quickly. His real father is a submissive mangina. Anyway, his feminist poisoned mother would not accept that I would not allow myself to be in a Female Led Relationship so end of story when she tried to pull that stunt it was over. I think she had the boy’s father in an FLR. The boy is surrounded by a hive of rabid feminists who control him. He is doomed grow up to be a mangina and feminist himself as his mother is shot f~~~ing out completely.

Boys aren’t as stupid and malleable as feminists think they are and most are wired for masculinity naturally. That’s why they keep them stoned on Ritalin and other mind control drugs so that problem is solved. Now, a certain minor percentage end up becoming mass killers which used to never happen until the feminists took control.

Women are a lot like children. They exhibit magical thinking, submit to peer pressure, and throw tantrums to randomly name a few. Now, these children are running the show. Getting things back to normal is going to be a slog.

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