Too late for me.

[athansorParticipant 31]

When I was in my 20s, the internet did not exist. I did not know about MGTOW, or any ideas like it, although at that point in time, Warren Farrell had published — and I had read — his first book.

Now married 30 years, I’m 60, and I wish I could take it all back. I’ve broken my back for two daughters that hate me and a wife who could give a s~~~ about me.

I’ll be working until I’m 70 just to clear up the debt from their colleges, my wife’s graduate degree and all of the other bulls~~~.

It’s too late for me. But don’t do what I did. Keep telling your stories, because it gives and old fool like me hope to see young men finding their way and their place.

I was so close, so damn close, to figuring it out on my own. Then I lost it. Nobody’s fault but my own. My only way out now is two feet first.

[chirParticipant]

So you are going to spend the next 10 years of your life paying off your daughters debts. Ouch. You could let them learn responsibility and let them pay it off. But given the way you describe it, they probably have everything in your name.
As you get older, keep an eye on your will. Make sure it is secure and out of your wife’s and children’s reach. Never give them power of attorney over you.
Welcome to the forums. Just because you have responsibilities does not mean you can’t be MGTOW in your mind. Gives you a new perspective.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

It’s not too late for anyone. I’m not a believer in all that motivational stuff that goes with positive thinking .. but if I’ve learned one thing in my life .. it’s that 60 is not old. My grandparents who came over from Scandinavia were still chopping and piling firewood for their kitchen stove in their mid-nineties. I have other close relatives that were riding Harleys in their seventies, eighties and nineties; yes, I admit, one had a sleek side car .. but they were still on the road riding cycles and never had an incident. That gives you a comfortable decade to try out a few models locally and decide what kind of cycle you really want to buy for that cross country coast to coast ride about ten years from now. I’d say that’s not late .. at 60, you’ve really only just begun.

[Anonymous 43]

not too late, find what u like to do, do it and people will pay for your passion and expertise.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

athansor wrote:

Now married 30 years, I’m 60, and I wish I could take it all back. I’ve broken my back for two daughters that hate me and a wife who could give a s~~~ about me.

Marriage wise you are pretty much f~~~ed if you divorce especially if you married for 3 decades. So divorce is not an option in this case however you do not have to pay your c~~~ daughters college debts either as it is their debt and their responsibility to take care of.

So while you are f~~~ed in the mgtow sense unless your wife kicks the bucket (statistically not likely). You can still be here and warn us fellow men about the dangers of marriage and all the s~~~ women bring. Even the women who where not exposed to third wave feminism as kids.

So you have a place here while you can’t likely be a mgtow in the physical you will still be a mgtow in the mental (meaning you have a mgtow mindset).

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[Max PowerParticipant 2721]

Can I ask sir why you have to pay your daughters’ debts? Is this a legal issue where you have to pay?

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Welcome athansor,

I think you are in the majority. I wonder what the percentage is in the 25 year plus of marriage.

At least in my real world experience your situation seems to be the norm.

Peace brothers

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

athansor wrote:

When I was in my 20s, the internet did not exist. I did not know about MGTOW, or any ideas like it, although at that point in time, Warren Farrell had published — and I had read — his first book.

Now married 30 years, I’m 60, and I wish I could take it all back. I’ve broken my back for two daughters that hate me and a wife who could give a s~~~ about me.

I’ll be working until I’m 70 just to clear up the debt from their colleges, my wife’s graduate degree and all of the other bulls~~~.

It’s too late for me. But don’t do what I did. Keep telling your stories, because it gives and old fool like me hope to see young men finding their way and their place.

I was so close, so damn close, to figuring it out on my own. Then I lost it. Nobody’s fault but my own. My only way out now is two feet first.

I took a similar path to the Red Pill. I was so close to the Red Pill in my early 30s, before marriage and kids. One video would have done it. One guy telling me, don’t fcuking get married, would have done it. There was no MGTOW then. I was such a white knight then. But I only discovered the Red Pill at midlife.

Like others have written, it’s only too late when you’re dead. For me, I followed the old adage, when you find yourself in a ditch, stop digging.

I started saying NO to a lot of people, especially my wife. I started taking Red Pill adventures with likeminded men. Motorcycle rallies, trips to South America.

I stopped whiteknighting (e.g. being a physical and financial mule) for women, especially relatives. I helped raise three female relatives from cradle to adulthood because their alpha dads bounced. S~~~ was my reward. They are just like their mama: me, me, me. I’ve gone stealth on them all.

I started taking care of my needs first. Then I rebooted my life after I digested the Red Pill.

Everyone situation is different. For me; once my kids are 18, they will have whatever I’ve saved for them over the years to make a life for themselves. I will NOT be paying for any weddings, college, cars, or houses. My parents never did for me and it made me appreciate the success I’ve worked for and have been blessed with. I will continue pay for the necessities of food, clothing, and shelter until they’re adults.

I literally moved myself and the family from all the toxic relatives that I was ignorant to during my Blue Pill years.

This was an incrediblely challemging period for me and I lost some so called friends and relatives. I got shamed, insulted, and some even threatened to sabotage my relationship with my kids.

I continued to take Red Pills daily.

I bought a manual transmission, convertible sports car. My wife is too lazy to relearn how to drive a stick shift. I knew this before buying the car.
I don’t waste time with circular arguments with my wife anyone. Once her rationalization hamster starts spinning, I pull he rip cord and eject myself from the discussion.

I’ll be going on my second annual Red Pill getaway with One of my best friend who’s still Purple Pill. I do everything I can to keep him from the altar by sharing Red Pill content. He’s smart, wealthy, has a six-figure day job, a side-business, and real estate investments. So of course women love his a$$.

Unfortunately he’s got yet another girlfriend. At least he’s wise to her female nature.

He really inspired me to not give up. Today I feel 20s years younger inside. So, you don’t give up either. I wish you all the best.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[LeoYourKingParticipant 225]

Hi there brother.
Really good advice for the young MGTOW. I really appreciate that you share your stories with us. On the other hand, I agree with the other comments. It is never too late to start doing what you love. Focus in productivity, activity and haplessness. One advise I can give you is to start surrounding you with younger people, if you can. They will infect you with their vitality. That is what scientific research says. Good luck brother. Again, thank your or sharing your stories.

[Anonymous 54]

60 here. Payin alimony, broke.,
But you can still enjoy life!

[FermatParticipant 3478]

Yeah, you’re right. You don’t have THAT much time left. I say turn to Christ for satisfaction for the remainder of your years. I don’t belie suddenly getting into hobbies will just fix everything and make you happy. It will distract you for a bit but without a purpose, there will always be a void. God values you more than most people do in your life, so I say focus on Him. The great struggles of this life do not compare with eternity with Him.

I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Greetings Athansor.

Appreciate your introduction and the great responses it has generated.

We were born in the same generation and I can relate to your situation.

You are not alone.

Too many men are in your exact situation when they begin to wake up, and it is dreadful to discover the truth of your reality.

A lot of MGTOWs who participate here on this web site are still trapped inside “the plantation.” Some are stealthily planning their escape. Others are resolved to their external situation, but are using their state of affairs to develop themselves internally like learning more about themselves and building stronger boundaries.

One of my favorite MGTOWs here writes about his situation in which he finds himself deep behind enemy lines. He introduced the idea of his journey on “The MGTOW Road.”

My sense of being MGTOW began when “My Give A Dam Got Broke.”

However, I am ashamed to admit that some habits are hard to break and I am still vulnerable to the manipulation of women.

Since I started participating in the Forms and reading the stories of other likeminded free men, my MGTOW awareness/ understanding of the world has increased exponentially. The growth of the last few years surpasses the last fifteen.

It will be good to read about and discuss your situation down the road as separate posts in the Forums.

And you can always add more to your Introduction thread whenever you want.

athansor wrote:

I’ll be working until I’m 70 just to clear up the debt from their colleges, my wife’s graduate degree and all of the other bulls~~~.

Are your wife and daughters gainfully employed?

Are they using their degrees and is your wife using the Master’s degree that you paid for?

Are you behaving like a “White Knight,” (see below and look at the “WANKER” poster)?

Rolling Tin Fist wrote:

…..white knighting (e.g. being a physical and financial mule)…..

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[perpedes66Participant 259]

I was so close, so damn close, to figuring it out on my own. Then I lost it. Nobody’s fault but my own. My only way out now is two feet first.

23 years of marriage

Divorce is also for me not an option, the bank will crash me forever.Status:
Little ammunition little energy no reserve live anymore ….and the hits come close…

Sorry I quote my own post,it is the other way round (;-)

[athansorParticipant 31]

[This is a response to Max Power above. Still learning how this forum works.]

Legally, the loans are in my name as a co-signer. I could let them default, but then it just bounces back in my lap as a giant clusterf~~~.

Ethically, I told them I would. I may not have s~~~ else worthwhile in this world, but my word is still as good as gold. Nobody is going to take that away from me, least of all myself. They may not be deserving of it, but again, it’s my own damn fault.

That’s one thing I’ve grown smarter about with age, so at least there’s that. Nobody gets my pledge unless they’ve proven themselves worthy. And that’s a damn small number of people.

[High RollerParticipant 157]

athansor, it’s excellent that you’ve realized how everything really is, and that’s important.

Alright, your realization has come much later in life. You are not a fool as you have come and shared your story, telling what has truly happened. You’re strong for noticing how our social reality is and delusion is no longer in your life.

If I were you, I would have your wife and daughters pay for their debt, let them handle it. Change your priorities, do what’s good for YOU and do not let anyone or anything stand in the way. There is no need to keep paying any debt if you can completely get out of it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Greetings Athansor.
Appreciate your introduction and the great responses it has generated.

Yes. Roger that.

Welcome @athansor and thanks for your intro. A guy named “Lou” once dropped an epic comment discovered somewhere.… he was only 46 and thought it was “too late”, but isn’t it relative?

My older cousin is also going through a divorce after knowing his bride for 32 years, 29 years of marriage and 2 college age kids. He DEFINITELY thought that was “too late” and wished he knew the score 2 or 3 decades earlier, and he’s not even sure how to look forward… but he’s doing it, and he’s starting to REALLY like it too.

A member of my family talks often about the passage of time, and constantly puts it in conversation. “Gosh it just gets faster” and “can you believe Jurassic Park came out 25 years ago?” ….. and she says she remembered when 40 was “old”. Then came 60 and she thought that was “ancient”.

She’s 85 now….. and recently said 60 looks like a walk in the park. She often wished she could go back and tell herself that it’s all relative and how you look at it.

athansor wrote:

This is a response to Max Power above. Still learning how this forum works.

If you have any questions, just shoot us a message and we’ll be happy to answer any questions.

Big welcome to MGTOW and the Forums.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

athansor wrote:

When I was in my 20s, the internet did not exist. I did not know about MGTOW, or any ideas like it, although at that point in time, Warren Farrell had published — and I had read — his first book.

Now married 30 years, I’m 60, and I wish I could take it all back. I’ve broken my back for two daughters that hate me and a wife who could give a s~~~ about me.

I’ll be working until I’m 70 just to clear up the debt from their colleges, my wife’s graduate degree and all of the other bulls~~~.

It’s too late for me. But don’t do what I did. Keep telling your stories, because it gives and old fool like me hope to see young men finding their way and their place.

I was so close, so damn close, to figuring it out on my own. Then I lost it. Nobody’s fault but my own. My only way out now is two feet first.

Don’t be so hard on yourself, be strong.

The Ubermensch was the man that took his mistakes with humility, worked to rise above his current station, and always fought his best fight. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

[Anything which] is a living and not a dying body… will have to be an incarnate will to power, it will strive to grow, spread, seize, become predominant – not from any morality or immorality but because it is living and because life simply is will to power… ‘Exploitation’… belongs to the essence of what lives, as a basic organic function; it is a consequence of the will to power, which is after all the will to life.
-Beyond Good and Evil

MGtOW_Medic - EMT - P, Firefighter Lvl 2, Hazmat Ops

[Anonymous 16]

I just discovered MGTOW after reading The Rational Male, what a great book. I am 44 and even believe after the ex left me at 41 there was still hope hhaha glad i found MGTOW.

60 is not old if you keep fit, stay slim eat healthy, my old gym where i used to go was packed with older members they trained every day and where very fit quit an inspiration.

[FreedomParticipant 965]

I was married 26 years then pulled the plug. Best thing I ever did.

The wife turned the kids against me (aged 26 and 24) but 5 years later they’ve seen her for what she is. I always left the door open for them.

I took my share of money and bought an old ruin in Cornwall which I slowly renovated. I’ve escaped the plantation. I’m content and smug.

My advice is DO IT. Your life is your own.

She cheated on me ..... my fault. I showed an interest in another woman......my fault.

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

60 is NOT old and it is NOT too late. Like you, I came so damn close in my 30’s (11 years into this) but I had no support. I briefly left and should have stayed gone – she begged me back and swore she’d change. We know how that went.

If you know (like me) that you cannot divorce right now or ever for financial reasons – then just become SELF FOCUSED. You have been programmed by society to be a gov’t mule. Assume the role of provider, fixer and financier and not being so much as thanked or appreciated for it.

Stop providing what you can – I get living up to your word. But don’t do anymore than you have to. Start doing for yourself. Be decadent. You deserve it. If you are waiting for someone to appreciate and value you, then forget it. I learned that the hard way.

Happiness is a decision and even in the incarceration of marriage you can eek some happiness out of things. Tell those thieves NO and do for yourself. If you don’t look out for numero uno, no one else will.

Stay strong!

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