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Salem Witch Trials
Here’s a made in Canada historically accurate two part miniseries dramatization of the Salem Witch Trials. Definitely worth a watch by anyone interested in the subject…
(Alternate title ‘Christianity Unleashed’)
Listen up witches, you’ve been marked
I started this thread in order to find out what the current attitude of the contemporary Christian church toward witches is. I think that I might have found my answer…
I think there may be a difficulty in what you are trying to achieve here Autolite. Its just that the definition of Christianity and witchcraft are both so wide.
Your last link to me barely registers as what I call Christianity -I was raised in a very northern European Christian tradition where one does not shout and bible bash and one does not sing and dance. I couldn’t think straight listening to a guy like this preach and it would be one of the least spiritual experiences I could have. I have been to African churches and I can’t get into it at all, they are all fainting and falling down with religious passion when a guy like this is bashing the bible out, while I am thinking “when can I go home please?” What works for some does not work for all.
Now when it comes to what is witchcraft it is even harder to define what it is. Christians all at least recognise Jesus. Some witches do recognise Jesus but they are in a minority. Most witchcraft today would claim to derive from a different tradition to Christianity (though tracing that back past the early 1900’s may take some imagination). Christians would call the magic that Satanists attempt to practise Witchcraft, while most modern self professed witches would claim Satan does not exist any more than Jaweh. (They are both from the Semitic desert faiths.)
One must remember that witchcraft was practised by the some of the old Greek and Roman pagans long before Jesus or Jaweh had been heard of but even then a witch was a sort of outcast woman doing bad things. Then you have the women’s magic of the old norse faiths -“seated magic” The Christians would call this witchcraft but it was more mainstream in origin -more to do with female imagination and desires travelling and influencing the interconnected web of the world than with access to dark powers. There were also some male practitioners of seated magic but they were a bit more out cast and considered “unmanly”.
In general I would say Witchcraft was through history an outcast, generally female practise of applying hatred to do harm to another or female will to bind another, often by applying to fairly dubious spirits for help. This is not exactly what modern witchcraft is, as modern witchcraft (wicca anyway) is more mainstream and claims to have principles like (slightly paraphrased) “first do no harm, then do as you like” and “you get back what you give 3 times over”. These make the cursing and binding components of witchcraft impossible or at least risky and dubious for a “proper” Wiccan.
Modern witchcraft (Wicca) is a femtard neopagan religion. Witchcraft in its truer, older sense is going beyond the limits of normal religious practise, not a religion in itself. “Supertition” has its roots in Latin for “going above what one should” This is a better dfiinition of witchcraft than the Wiccan one of femtards buring candles of various colours and loving their smelly vaginas.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
I think there may be a difficulty in what you are trying to achieve here Autolite. Its just that the definition of Christianity and witchcraft are both so wide.
Yet the Christian bible clearly mandates the execution of witches in Exodus 22:18. I didn’t make the rule (God did) and I most certainly do not support nor advocate the killing of witches.
But you underscore another very interesting issue that being ‘definitions’ are so wide that one can interpret absolutely anything the bible says to mean anything they want it to mean. The Massachusetts Puritans interpreted what the bible was telling them to do and (based on their definition of a witch) they acted accordingly…
(But the original point of the thread was however to determine the current position of the contemporary Christian church on Exodus 22:18. Either the church endorses the execution of witches or God’s rule is bullshhit. It has to be one or the other.)
Yeah the difficulty here is that you would need to talk to fundamentalists who advocate following the absolute letter of the bible. These are quite rare and even then they tend to argue over what the bible actually means (though in this case its pretty explicit to me with regard to the killing, if not with regard to what a witch actually is). I think there is a strong case to be made for saying a Wiccan is an unbeliever not a witch in the sense intended (or at least most Wiccans).
Captain Obvious gave the best answer to explain how most Christians get away with not obeying the Torah in totality. The Torah is basically the old covenant made with the children of Israel. The new testament is when God himself arrives on earth and makes a new covenant with all mankind (Jesus himself alludes to this when he breaks some of the old rules and says he has the authority to do so).
The problem that this leaves Christians and their critics is “Well then what are the essential core beliefs of all Christians when picking and choosing seems to be sanctioned from the start?” Comparing the Torah and modern Christianity is like comparing Magna carta to modern English speaking law. One is derived in part from the other but the elder is not a full subset of the younger. About the only core of beliefs you can get down to are the creeds (from latin credo -I believe) “I believe in one god the father…” The creeds themselves are, however, not universally endorsed… My parents did not, for example, believe in the trinity but it is a pretty essential component of most creeds, so heaven help anyone getting into the small stuff.
Get too deep into this type of thing and you are almost certainly doomed to stray from the straight path into madness…
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
This brings me to a problem that monotheists have that polytheists do not share. Monotheists have one god and the desert one likes rules and covenants. That’s all ok except that anyone who wants to do something different under the umbrella of Jaweh ends up needing to find reasons in the already accepted cannon of faith literature as to why he has the “true” answer. Even prophets who have been spoken to by Jaweh or his angels still end up harking back to the past literature often enough to find where their revelation ties in.
A polytheist has a much easier time -like witches? -OK. Don’t like witches? -OK, want to burn witches? -OK. Its all OK because there is no correct answer decreed by the one true god.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Yeah the difficulty here is that you would need to talk to fundamentalists who advocate following the absolute letter of the bible. These are quite rare and even then they tend to argue over what the bible actually means (though in this case its pretty explicit to me with regard to the killing, if not with regard to what a witch actually is).
I thought perhaps that a few fundies might chime in on the subject but so far I’m just hearing crickets. And maybe the bible could have been a little more specific reference the definition of a witch before mandating their executions. It’s something that you might think God would’ve had a handle on.
I think there is a strong case to be made for saying a Wiccan is an unbeliever not a witch in the sense intended (or at least most Wiccans).
It’s my understanding that many Wiccans even refer to themselves as being ‘witches’.
Captain Obvious gave the best answer to explain how most Christians get away with not obeying the Torah in totality. The Torah is basically the old covenant made with the children of Israel. The new testament is when God himself arrives on earth and makes a new covenant with all mankind (Jesus himself alludes to this when he breaks some of the old rules and says he has the authority to do so).
Yeah I’ve heard that argument before, that we can just ignore the old testament. But again, if that was God’s intended message I think that He could have been a little clearer and just outright stated that to be the case. A book that requires a comprehensive understanding in order to determine the eternal disposition of one’s soul I would think shouldn’t be subject to the various interpretations of mere men.
My parents did not, for example, believe in the trinity but it is a pretty essential component of most creeds, so heaven help anyone getting into the small stuff.
That is of course the ‘beauty’ of Theism and why it persists. Everyone gets to develop their own interpretations of what their religion is telling them and determine definitions to fit their own preferences. And because it’s a ‘personal belief’, everyone gets a pass.
Get too deep into this type of thing and you are almost certainly doomed to stray from the straight path into madness…
Yeah, I didn’t want to make this thread into another deep discussion on religion. But I was just hoping that we can at least agree that witch executions were indeed mandated by the Christian God. The point of this thread is to determine whether or not the contemporary Christian church still endorses that mandate…
Maybe it’s now time for an entertaining break in this thread…
Season Of The Witch / Nicolas Cage / Ron Perlman / Claire Foy
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