This place is missing something. (Unless I missed it)

[Heave-Ho MgtowParticipant 1797]

Rather verbose for a dude. Come here for red pills. Elsewhere for the finer art of penmanship.

I was f~~~ed up by an elementary teacher that tried to force me to write left handed using a wired contraption that forced my hand in an upward position. Since then, I don’t give a rats ass about penmanship

skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Heave-Ho Mgtow wrote:

Rather verbose for a dude.

I get what you’re implying. Maybe something’s a little off. However, so far the OP has been very polite and respectful, which is not typical of a troll; nor did he begin with an obviously inflammatory question like “isn’t it so depressing to live without women”?

It doesn’t surprise me that someone interested in penmanship would also be verbose. Clearly he enjoys writing. I do suggest that the OP practice being concise and straightforward. Not only is it indicative of superior writing skills to state your point clearly in fewer words, but it’s also more manly. Women are the ones who gossip endlessly and take forever to get to the point. Men state what needs to be said in as few words as possible, because words weren’t made for wasting.

I’m sticking my harpoon back in the closet. If the OP’s a troll, it’ll eventually become clear. It always does.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Heave-Ho Mgtow wrote:

Rather verbose for a dude. Come here for red pills. Elsewhere for the finer art of penmanship.

I was f~~~ed up by an elementary teacher that tried to force me to write left handed using a wired contraption that forced my hand in an upward position. Since then, I don’t give a rats ass about penmanship

I’m very sorry you had such a horrible experience. But i’ll tell you what I told Can’t Stump Trump: Not trying to force you to reconsider penmanship, I’m just trying to offer you another tool for the tool box.

Also, you may or may not get a kick out of the guy who made a living writing with no hands (@6:00)

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

All right OP, here you go. Boil yourself some eggs while you think about it.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Heave-Ho Mgtow wrote:

Rather verbose for a dude.

I get what you’re implying. Maybe something’s a little off. However, so far the OP has been very polite and respectful, which is not typical of a troll; nor did he begin with an obviously inflammatory question like “isn’t it so depressing to live without women”?

It doesn’t surprise me that someone interested in penmanship would also be verbose. Clearly he enjoys writing. I do suggest that the OP practice being concise and straightforward. Not only is it indicative of superior writing skills to state your point clearly in fewer words, but it’s also more manly. Women are the ones who gossip endlessly and take forever to get to the point. Men state what needs to be said in as few words as possible, because words weren’t made for wasting.

I’m sticking my harpoon back in the closet. If the OP’s a troll, it’ll eventually become clear. It always does.

I can’t argue with you there. I do enjoy to write, but I admit I have a lot to work on as far as actually producing something with the intent for others to seriously read.

And if I gave the impression I was trolling anyone…
First let me apologize as that was not my intention, i’m not here to waste anyone’s time. I’m not a rude person, but i’m as blunt as a rock.

Second, if there is one thing that firefighters and healthcare providers have taught me alike, its that you can debate the bloody hell out of anything without making an a total arse out of yourself.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

Penman_Frey wrote:

Don’t you think there is going to come a time down the road, no matter how many years it takes, where men finally start to wise up and not go down that route in the first place?

Western men are Blue pill by default, and they must seek out the Red Pill.

Penman_Frey wrote:

I understand that many of the men here are freed or trying to free themselves of those burdons. But what about those who were able to catch this at a younger age? If they know better, what do you think they will do then?

Many Men come on here, young and old, after saying that they learned their lesson, and they’re going monk ETC. ETC. Then they vanish only to return months later telling us about another failed relationship. I mention this to illustrate the point that “managing the Blue Pill” is a daily process, and not one of; I wake-up one day and from this point forward I will be Red Pill for the rest of my life. It’s just NOT that easy for most, if it was, MOST of this site along with most youtube videos etc. wouldn’t be needed.

Penman_Frey wrote:

From my experience, I think i’d dare to say that they will think the way i’m thinking. Which is going back to the idea that men can create and innovate unlike any other being in this world if we are not distracted.

Just what do you think can distract your average young Man more so then women, marriage, and children ? This is assuming that you agree that western Men are Blue pill by default, have to willingly assimilate the Red Pill, and NEED to reinforce it regularly.

At least that’s how i see it, but maybe you have some other ideas ?

Penman_Frey wrote:

And what’s the best way to go about that? Correct me if i’m wrong, but I think the best way is to learn from others, and how can people do that in the future when there is no specific, or clear cut precedence here to learn from?

This site is FULL of opportunities to learn from others.

Penman_Frey wrote:

I cannot relate to your experienes, so I cannot offer the same kind of help that you do to your friends and brothers. But I would like to do something productive that I know I can do.

This does NOT mean that your experiences, thoughts, ideas, and view points are not valid. There are several members on here that can not directly relate to other members experiences, but they do offer sound logical view points on all types of MGTOW topics. You come across as an intelligent young man wanting to help other Men. Do not sell yourself short in this regard.

I wish you well.

Hopefully, I didn’t come off to strong in my previous replies.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Heave-Ho MgtowParticipant 1797]

Ok penman-Frey, I did watch a minute or so of the link to Tedx. You have passion for penmanship. The comment section was worth the effort, quite a range of views.

skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

[MACHOParticipant]

First Welcome young newcomer, I scanned quickly the responses your post generated and see that you are already receiving a decent warm welcome! I wish you the best on here!

Penman_Frey wrote:

I’m noticing a lack of a “craftsmanship” or “Study” or “resource” section or forum of any sort. Seriously, I’ve searched this place high and low, and I cannot locate anything like it. If there is a place here that exists please point me in the right direction.
If not, then can we make one?
I’ll try to keep this short and sweet: I like to learn about things. I like to learn about how to do things. And I want to teach other people how to do what I know. And vise versa, i’m sure many of you know how to create or craft things. I’m sure many of you know things that I don’t. And I would like to learn from you

You admit being rather young, so it might be a good idea to start hanging out on the site many hours a day to get a good grasp of what we’re all about, otherwise you might be disappointed (Just Saying)

Penman_Frey wrote:

That’s fair, and I respect that very much. It’s what i’m here for as well. But I personally don’t want to stop there. Maybe it’s because i’m rather young, but I feel like I can do more, and I personally cannot think of a better way to help then to use the resources and time I have gained from disregarding my distractions to help others out and improve as a whole. I’m a nerd that likes to learn if that paints a better picture

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Anonymous 14]

Penman_Frey, I am curious as to why you haven’t responded to me regarding the links I provided you with that you requested your interest in.

[bladeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Penman_Frey, I am curious as to why you haven’t responded to me regarding the links I provided you with that you requested your interest in.

Me too .

Just throw your writing s~~~ in cools~~~ and fun stuff .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 7]

Heave-Ho Mgtow wrote:

I was f~~~ed up by an elementary teacher that tried to force me to write left handed using a wired contraption that forced my hand in an upward position.

Why in the f~~~ would a teacher do that?
Was it so you could write ambidextrous or was the teacher just an evil c~~~?

[Heave-Ho MgtowParticipant 1797]

Second part Grue. I was told that my hand position was wrong so she placed me in a contraption to make my penmanship better. This was about 1968. My mom was an abstract artist, oils mainly, and went ballistic when she found out. Schools and public institutions were looked at differently for me after that. I think that may have been my first red pill? Tasty.

skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

[DocParticipant]

Penman_Frey wrote:

Typing by far takes the cake as far as day to day communication goes, I will not even try to dispute that. It’s one of the quickest and most efficient ways of transcribing information from one place to another.

Handwriting on the otherhand is a bit different. A lot of people view handwriting the same way, a medium of transcribing information from one place to the next. Which it is. But that’s not the sole and only value it has. Handwriting is our individualized communication. It’s like our fingerprint. There was such a time before computers and the like were made, were handwriting and penmenship dictated your worth to society.

I’m not saying you should abandon typing in favor for handwriting all togehter. That’s unrealistic and you should never do that. I’ll never do that.

I cannot force nor will I ever ask you to give your penmanship another shot. That’s on you. But what I will ask of you is to hear me out on this: When you type something instead of handwrite it. You sacrifice the intimacy with the message you created, in favor for the masses. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. And it works for things like essays to your professor or emails to your co-workers. Or heck, even this post. But that’s not necessarily the best tool for every job. What I would like to do, is offer you another tool to add to the tool box.

And if that’s not enough for ya, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bqT904VWA

With due respect, Why would I want to be analysed.
My day job requires me myself to do that.
I don’t need analysing by anybody.
Critical feedback to my post, yes. But analysis? Way head of you.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

All right OP, here you go. Boil yourself some eggs while you think about it.

Sorry for the delayed response, something urgent came up.

My analysis:
1. Your handwriting appears medium-large in overall size.
2. Your script was written with intent to the standard red margin.
3. Your handwriting for the most part is upright.
4. Your handwriting appears to occupy the middle quadrant mostly. Tailed letters such as g extend very little if any to the lower quadrant.
5. Your handwriting has a relatively straight baseline.
6. Your words appear closely spaced.
7. Your letters hardly connect to each other as a continuation of a stroke.
8. Your g’s resemble the number 9 somewhat.
9. Your writing pressure appears moderate to hard. It appears to be from a pen however, so I would venture to guess it was a moderate pressure. Please correct me if i’m wrong.
10. Your capital letters are rather small compared to your lower case letters. They also appear somewhat rounded, but otherwise plain.
11. You cross your Ts somewhat low.
12. You consistently dot your i’s just slightly to the right of the stem to be nit-picky. Otherwise it looks central.
13. Your o’s and a’s are usually closed

To me, that translates to this:
1. You’re very level headed, self-confident and self reliant. You have great organizational skills and strong character. You might be a bit arrogant or conceited at times however. You may also be a bit judgemental.
2. You are for the most part one that abides by the common law just like anyone else. You’re not the type to break a just rule or law.
3. You have a good analytical skills, diplomatic nature. You also have very good emotional control, but you can be indifferent or self-centered.
4. You’re mostly focused on things that happen at present. You probably care less for philosophy and big questions then the typical person. You also have little if any material desire. (I don’t want to get to personal, but I can speculate a bit on your sexual drive as well. Just let me know if you wan tme to pm that or not.)
5. Again, very level headed and in control of yourself.
6. You are a person of action, and impulse but may be self-concious at times.
7. You have good intuition but can be stubborn.
8. I would venture to guess numbers in particular mean a lot to you. Perhaps you were an accountant, or someone that was or is trusted with money. Or perhaps you work with a lot of numbers or simply have a good affinity for problems that involve them.
9. Either way you strike me as an energetic or active fellow.
10. It looks like you have a retiring disposition. I’d speculate you’re an older fellow that tends to prefer being in the crowd rather than in the open where you are vulnrable.
11. You may be depressed at times, but you have great, if not exceptional organizational skills.
12. You are very practical, reserved, and think very forward. You have a good eye for detail.
13. You keep to yourself. You try not to give much about yourself unless you absolutely trust them. Secrets are least likely escape your lips.

By the way if anyone else is curious to have their handwriting analyzed just let me know and I can make a thread somewhere. Just keep in mind I don’t hold back. Well, except for some obvious things.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[ghostParticipant]

Go for it.

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Penman_Frey wrote:

Don’t you think there is going to come a time down the road, no matter how many years it takes, where men finally start to wise up and not go down that route in the first place?

Western men are Blue pill by default, and they must seek out the Red Pill.

I guess, but I believe people can and will choose to change. Definately not all at once, but its going to happen. I firmly believe it will.

Penman_Frey wrote:

I understand that many of the men here are freed or trying to free themselves of those burdons. But what about those who were able to catch this at a younger age? If they know better, what do you think they will do then?

Many Men come on here, young and old, after saying that they learned their lesson, and they’re going monk ETC. ETC. Then they vanish only to return months later telling us about another failed relationship. I mention this to illustrate the point that “managing the Blue Pill” is a daily process, and not one of; I wake-up one day and from this point forward I will be Red Pill for the rest of my life. It’s just NOT that easy for most, if it was, MOST of this site along with most youtube videos etc. wouldn’t be needed.

You know what, i’ll have to give that one to you. Teens and adolescents have a tendency to latch onto something they find radical or unusual every now and then in an attempt to use that to identify themselves. Kind of like how there’s some fad or trend every year. So, it’s really hard for me to defend myself on this one without sounding like an eventual hypocrit. Time will tell if I really am.

What can garuntee you though is that this wasn’t a one day decision. For years I’ve felt something wrong with things like marriage and women in general. For years I’m just looking at the world and thinking something just does not make sense. At some point I found myself listening to videos from someone named Sandman on youtube. And i’m saying to myself “you know what, this guy makes a lot of sense”. I’m listening to him more and more and then google MGTOW only to find that there are many people out there that are thinking like this. And I wan’t in.

I hope you find my words to be genuine as I truely mean it.

Penman_Frey wrote:

From my experience, I think i’d dare to say that they will think the way i’m thinking. Which is going back to the idea that men can create and innovate unlike any other being in this world if we are not distracted.

Just what do you think can distract your average young Man more so then women, marriage, and children ? This is assuming that you agree that western Men are Blue pill by default, have to willingly assimilate the Red Pill, and NEED to reinforce it regularly.

At least that’s how i see it, but maybe you have some other ideas ?

Those are the big ones yep. What’s the next step after you eliminate those three then? (Unless you want a child)

Penman_Frey wrote:

And what’s the best way to go about that? Correct me if i’m wrong, but I think the best way is to learn from others, and how can people do that in the future when there is no specific, or clear cut precedence here to learn from?

This site is FULL of opportunities to learn from others.

I agree. And believe me that’s what i’m here for. But there is no specific, clear cut library or section of the like. Not what i’m trying to find atleast.

Penman_Frey wrote:

I cannot relate to your experienes, so I cannot offer the same kind of help that you do to your friends and brothers. But I would like to do something productive that I know I can do.

This does NOT mean that your experiences, thoughts, ideas, and view points are not valid. There are several members on here that can not directly relate to other members experiences, but they do offer sound logical view points on all types of MGTOW topics. You come across as an intelligent young man wanting to help other Men. Do not sell yourself short in this regard.

I’m not selling myself short. I just don’t pretend to be what i’m not. I’m thankful for finding a place like this to learn from. All i’m saying is let me teach you a thing or two now.

I wish you well.

Hopefully, I didn’t come off to strong in my previous replies.

Thank you for having me. And not in the slightest, I in turn hope I did not come across as arrogant or all bark and no bite.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

First Welcome young newcomer, I scanned quickly the responses your post generated and see that you are already receiving a decent warm welcome! I wish you the best on here!

Penman_Frey wrote:

I’m noticing a lack of a “craftsmanship” or “Study” or “resource” section or forum of any sort. Seriously, I’ve searched this place high and low, and I cannot locate anything like it. If there is a place here that exists please point me in the right direction.
If not, then can we make one?
I’ll try to keep this short and sweet: I like to learn about things. I like to learn about how to do things. And I want to teach other people how to do what I know. And vise versa, i’m sure many of you know how to create or craft things. I’m sure many of you know things that I don’t. And I would like to learn from you

You admit being rather young, so it might be a good idea to start hanging out on the site many hours a day to get a good grasp of what we’re all about, otherwise you might be disappointed (Just Saying)

Believe me, I intend to. Thank you for having me.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Doc wrote:

Penman_Frey wrote:

Typing by far takes the cake as far as day to day communication goes, I will not even try to dispute that. It’s one of the quickest and most efficient ways of transcribing information from one place to another.

Handwriting on the otherhand is a bit different. A lot of people view handwriting the same way, a medium of transcribing information from one place to the next. Which it is. But that’s not the sole and only value it has. Handwriting is our individualized communication. It’s like our fingerprint. There was such a time before computers and the like were made, were handwriting and penmenship dictated your worth to society.

I’m not saying you should abandon typing in favor for handwriting all togehter. That’s unrealistic and you should never do that. I’ll never do that.

I cannot force nor will I ever ask you to give your penmanship another shot. That’s on you. But what I will ask of you is to hear me out on this: When you type something instead of handwrite it. You sacrifice the intimacy with the message you created, in favor for the masses. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. And it works for things like essays to your professor or emails to your co-workers. Or heck, even this post. But that’s not necessarily the best tool for every job. What I would like to do, is offer you another tool to add to the tool box.

And if that’s not enough for ya, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85bqT904VWA

With due respect, Why would I want to be analysed.
My day job requires me myself to do that.
I don’t need analysing by anybody.
Critical feedback to my post, yes. But analysis? Way head of you.

You don’t if you don’t want to. I’ll tell you what I told Can’t Stump Trump: Not trying to force this onto you, just offering you another tool for the tool box.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

ghost wrote:

Go for it.

1. Your handwriting appears quite large in overall size
2. Your handwriting is upright but occasionally leans to the left.
3. Your handwriting occupies the middle region for the most part. You’re g’s typically extend normally and then curve back to the word.
4. Your handwriting has a relatively straight baseline.
5. Your words are moderately spaced apart.
6. Your letters occasionally connect to each other as a continuation of a stroke. This is usually from your t’s.
7. Your writing pressure appears moderate to hard.
8.Your capital letters are properly proportioned.
9. You cross your Ts moderately in the middle. Perhaps higher on occasion. The crosses are also somewhat long.
10. You tend to dash your i’s. Those dashes seem to vary on placement to the stem.
11. Your o’s and a’s are usually closed
12. You’re margin appears to be naturally geared to the right. You minimize the upper margin and appear to utilize the majority of the page.

This translates to me as:
1. You have very good self-esteem, confidence and self-reliance. You can be boastful, arrogant and have a taste for extravagence.
2. You are level headed for the most part. You are probably more tender and devoted than others, but you on occasion can show signs of insecurity, insincerity, and overcautiousness.
3. You tend to focus on things at present. You don’t dwell on the bigger questions in life and are very much in control of who you are and how you want to act around others.
4. Again very level headed. In control of your emotions.
5. You have genuine concern for your fellow human beings and tend to enjoy the company of others.
6. You are a very sharp individual. You can pick up details quick and perhaps have a sharp tongue when you need to hold your own in any conversation or debate alike. You don’t seem like the kind of person that hesitates often.
7. You have a very serious nature.
8. From what I’ve analyzed already, you are probably an alpha. Or know very well how to appear as such in the public eye.
9. Sharp tongue, intelligent and quick mind. Protective of those you would call your family.
10. You are typically kept busy and rarely waste time nor effort on the nonessentials.
11. Secrets seldem leave your lips. Your messages are typically brief, whether they are spoken or written.
12. You are calculative, you typically won’t rush to conclusions or jump the gun, so to speak. There may be some past relationships you have had yet to completely sever emotionally from.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[ghostParticipant]

Penman_Frey wrote:

This translates to me as:
1. You have very good self-esteem, confidence and self-reliance. You can be boastful, arrogant and have a taste for extravagence.
2. You are level headed for the most part. You are probably more tender and devoted than others, but you on occasion can show signs of insecurity, insincerity, and overcautiousness.
3. You tend to focus on things at present. You don’t dwell on the bigger questions in life and are very much in control of who you are and how you want to act around others.
4. Again very level headed. In control of your emotions.
5. You have genuine concern for your fellow human beings and tend to enjoy the company of others.
6. You are a very sharp individual. You can pick up details quick and perhaps have a sharp tongue when you need to hold your own in any conversation or debate alike. You don’t seem like the kind of person that hesitates often.
7. You have a very serious nature.
8. From what I’ve analyzed already, you are probably an alpha. Or know very well how to appear as such in the public eye.
9. Sharp tongue, intelligent and quick mind. Protective of those you would call your family.
10. You are typically kept busy and rarely waste time nor effort on the nonessentials.
11. Secrets seldem leave your lips. Your messages are typically brief, whether they are spoken or written.
12. You are calculative, you typically won’t rush to conclusions or jump the gun, so to speak. There may be some past relationships you have had yet to completely sever emotionally from.

Wow. That is pretty accurate. You have earned my respect. Glad to have you among us. Thank you for taking the time to do this. I really appreciate it.

I also read your analysis of Stump’s handwriting and think you are pretty accurate there as well. I am sure he will agree.

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