This is Roosh V, the 'PUA'…?

[SwimcatParticipant 3599]

He puts himself out there and himself a target for the feminazis and their allies, and is basically ineffective. We have a much greater impact.

[chirParticipant]

Blue Pill = (soybois, simps, white knights and other orbiters) Worship da pussy. Chase it until they are dead.

Purple Pill = Know that s~~~ is going south with western civilizations Gynocentric society but have hope that they will find a unicorn.

Red Pill = S~~~ went south. Eyes open. Angry at being bled dry, and having their children ripped from them. Most men who have been through the divorce system are red pilled or may fall back to purple pill.

Black Pill = Nihilistic. All hope lost.

You see all of these “Pills” involve centering your happiness or lack of happiness around a woman. You need to take the final step. You need to re-center your life on yourself. Can be difficult for a man because we are genetically programed to try and take care of and define our happiness or success on taking care of a woman.

MGTOW = Zero F~~~s Given. Gone Ghost, now spending time enjoying life.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

chir wrote:

Blue Pill = (soybois, simps, white knights and other orbiters) Worship da pussy. Chase it until they are dead.

Purple Pill = Know that s~~~ is going south with western civilizations Gynocentric society but have hope that they will find a unicorn.

Red Pill = S~~~ went south. Eyes open. Angry at being bled dry, and having their children ripped from them. Most men who have been through the divorce system are red pilled or may fall back to purple pill.

Black Pill = Nihilistic. All hope lost.

You see all of these “Pills” involve centering your happiness or lack of happiness around a woman. You need to take the final step. You need to re-center your life on yourself. Can be difficult for a man because we are genetically programed to try and take care of and define our happiness or success on taking care of a woman.

MGTOW = Zero F~~~s Given. Gone Ghost, now spending time enjoying life.

Interesting.

Thank you.

From what I read on the Manosphere, I really don’t understand what “black pill” is.

How are they distinguished from MGTOW?

What’s also interesting, is how many varying interpretations of TRP are on the Manosphere.

Based on MGTOW, one would interpret TRP as the following proposition/dichotomy:

One can EITHER love women OR one can understand women. One cannot do both.

However, if you read TRP reddit they’re nothing more than PUA’s. I think they turned TRP into PUA’s; but I haven’t followed it enough to know it’s evolution.

Yet, all that they do is seek to ‘LIFT/MAINTAIN FRAME, BRO’ in order to ‘SLAY PU$$Y’.

^ That, is NOT red pill, at ALL. These guys need to join a PUA forum.

Resident cynic.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Although I think the PUA community is largely a finishing school for Chads,

This is counter intuitive to me. My notion of a ‘Chad’ was that he didn’t need any schooling, whatsoever; it was rather a natural state of being for him.

But, then again, I don’t buy into the notion of these – alpha, beta, chad, categories as prototypes of men. I think those notions are more for social conformists. People who have to ‘fit’ into a category prescribed by society; which don’t apply to people like me or other people of the MGTOW mind-set, who are independent thinkers.

I share your suspicion of these categories, Ancientwisdom. I suppose I was thinking that the PUA community is sort of teaching “Chad-like” behaviour on the basis that it will enable guys to have more sex. So perhaps “a finishing school for would-be Chads” is a more appropriate description.

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

I discovered the PUA community before I discovered MGTOW, and some of the more red-pill stuff I found there was a massive eye opener to me

Really?

What was this transition (of thought/perspective) like for you?

We’re all different, and take different roads, yet sometimes they lead to the same path. But for me, it was quite the opposite:

The idea that there was a ‘game’ to be played, told me all I needed to know.

In my mind, ‘games’ are for women and children.

^ Not putting you, or anyone else, down for the game mind set. But, that’s just how I saw it. And when I saw that a ‘game’ had to be played, it was time to check out and do my own thing.

How did the idea of game/PUA-istry lead you to MGTOW?[/quote]

Thanks for asking, and so politely too! 🙂

Looking back on it, the PUA stuff I started reading was perhaps not so much the scripts people come up with for getting women into bed, but more what they thought of as red pill thinking (although, from a MGTOW perspective, you could say all PUAs are still blue pill to the extent they want to get women into bed, and spend their time and resources chasing women). I came across the idea that women don’t like “nice guys”, that they’re attracted to men who treat them with a certain amount of disdain. This explained so much to me: how my own “nice guy” strategy had failed with various women, had bred contempt in my ex wife, and how the Chad-types I had seen through life had got women into bed.

I never really got into the PUA world in a big way, not least because for a long time I’ve had this strong intuitive feeling that I didn’t want to have sex. I left my ex-wife about 3 years ago, and I’ve dated various women and got some of them into bed since then, but I’ve only had sex once in those three years. When I started learning about red pill thinking and PUAs, I did try some of the principles out and was amazed at how effective they were, but I didn’t really take it beyond the stage of flirting and girls wanting to come over (I’d turn them down).

I had no desire to actually play the game. I was always suspicious of the idea of playing games, and a lot of my anger at my ex wife when I left her was because I realised how terribly I’d been played. For a long time, when I was married and even as a teenager, I’ve had a really deep desire for solitude. It’s taken different forms: when I was married and a keen Catholic, I sometimes wondered if I’d made a big mistake and would have been happier in a monastery.

So I would say my brief flirtation with the PUAs was just a detour, and the main thing it did for me was give me a taste of red pill thinking, and make a convincing case for why women don’t want “nice guys”.

I hope that answers your question! 🙂

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Eric Lauder wrote –

My idea is that being PUA is good if you’re under 25.

If we’re going to be perfectly honest here, which there’s no reason why we can’t be, I don’t take your opinion into consideration.

You’re a self proclaimed BI-SEXUAL MALE.

Why would any heterosexual male consider your sexual preferences?

You’ve written about this in varying posts…Saying taking a blow job from a TRANNY was better than females…

That disgusts STRAIGHT males.

I’m not even sure why you talk about this s~~~, but you do.

Bi-sexual males make up 2% of the population

2 percent of men said they were bisexual

(source) –

https://www.advocate.com/bisexuality/2016/1/08/study-new-cdc-report-finds-more-men-identifying-bisexual

You voiced your opinion in another thread, stating that you didn’t care how many c~~~s a woman had in her prior to a relationship with you.

Ok…

But, you’re a bisexual male.

You are a statistical outlier.

You are in the minority.

You are not a ‘normal’ heterosexual male.

Therefore, you’re ideas are not representative of other normal heterosexual males.

You’re sexual orientation is in opposition to 98% of your gender.

I don’t know why you think that your views are going to be congruent, or even appreciated, in such an adverse population.

How do you explain this?

Resident cynic.

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Interesting topic…
Comments are High Quality, ……..Please continue gentleman.

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[FragmentedParticipant 2758]

PUA’s are pathetic to me, but they make me laugh. They expose the promiscuous nature women will openly exercise given the opportunity. Anything that exposes women for who and what they really are is fine by me, even if i think chasing skirts is a waste of life.

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[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I really don’t understand what “black pill” is.

How are they distinguished from MGTOW?

I hadn’t heard of black pill before this thread, so I looked into a bit today. Roosh V has done a podcast which I’ve listened to the first half of, and I’m quite intrigued as to where he’s ending up.

To summarise, he seems to see red pill as still aspiring to do certain things, e.g. improve yourself, whereas black pill is recognising that certain things are futile, and becoming resigned to that futility. So yes, kind of nihilism (although he tries to distinguish it from nihilism).

He says he follows black pill developments online, and a bit of me thinks he is talking about MGTOW. For example, he says the following is a sign of being black pill (about 6:45 in the video):

You’ve lost all hope of finding a woman that you could love, of ever having a family, children, and instead you just settle on getting sex when you can. Some guys don’t even run game at all, they just kind of modern day monks, they don’t want to deal with it, they think women are too much headache, too much labour than the reward the women may give them. Other men such as me put in perspective what a woman can do and what they can’t, but if you still have a very healthy sex drive and there are sluts in front of your door, walking by, parading their butt and their boobs, and you have an idea of how attraction works and how to go up to a woman, you’re still going to do it. You may not be as dedicated as when you were young but you still want to perform the masculine activity of sex.

That’s a lot less critical of monks than most PUAs. He keeps saying in the podcast that he’s not black pill, but I think the Roosh protesteth too much. And he does admit that on a societal level he is black pill, and that for him the whole transgender thing has been the final nail in the coffin. He thinks black pill is “inevitable in declining societies”.

But I think it’s clear that, underneath all the PUA stuff, he still has blue pill dreams. It’s quite sweet really, bless his little cotton socks:

I’m 38 and single even though I wouldn’t have minded at this point to be firm with a woman that I could create a family with.

Basically, I think he would probably see MGTOW as black pill, but I think what he’s describing as black pill is more nihilistic than MGTOW. MGTOWs have all sorts of aspirations, they just don’t involve women and perhaps don’t involve an optimistic view of society.

Give it 5-10 years and I reckon Roosh will go MGTOW. That will be interesting.

Maximus Aurelius wrote:

Interesting topic…
Comments are High Quality, ……..Please continue gentleman.

Thanks buddy!!

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