The problem of Image

[Anonymous 3]

A man sees this good looking girl. He gets interested in her and they begin a relationship.

What he ignores is WHAT SHE REALLY IS, because he was caught by her constructed image. That image is not only what she looks like, and women are very careful with it, but also how she speaks, how she behaves, what she pretends to believe…
One day he may commit to this woman. And when she feels secure she will reveal her true face. The man will only find out how she really is once the carefully constructed image towards him is discarded.
By then it is too late. He is committed to a toxic relationship.

Why does that happen?

Because that man chose to believe in an image that was false. The small details that didn’t add up where ignored or discarded, because he preferred the false image to the reality that the details pointed.

Obviously there is a conditioning going on. The man does not know reality, but fairytales portrait in movies, books and songs. Nobody told him the reality; in fact he grows up being told that it is BAD TO DOUBT the fairytales.
But what must be realized is that movies are also a constructed image. A book has a constructed image. Songs tell of a constructed image. THEY ARE NOT REAL.

Reality is what YOU DO. Whatever you might say about it is not real, because it would never be the sum of your experiences. What you say is only YOUR interpretation at that moment and depends on your mood and your intentions towards the person you speak with.

As an example: a man in a bar is telling people how good his marriage is. Yet he will be there every night and for as long as he can. By his image nobody will not see he hates his marriage, but by noticing that he does not care to go back home, one knows the image he makes is false.

So, taking for real what people say is dumb. Looking at what they DO is smart! Finding out why they want you to believe that false image? That is really clever.

Taking pointers about life from a movie is dumb. Looking at men that lived it their whole life IS SMART.

Having grand emotions from a 5 minutes song is dumb. Looking at what has happened to you all your life IS SMART.

Swallowing the ideas you read in books without criteria is dumb. Looking at the validity of those ideas by what you see in life IS SMART.

[UntamedParticipant]

Good words of wisdom, Manfred.
Thank you very much!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[TheSpiceParticipant 2644]

Many women are excellent crafters of their image. They are very meticulous and deliberate. They will learn what YOU like and mold their image to fit it for as long as they require your attention or resources.

I can’t count how many times I’ve been told “I like nerds” or “I love smart guys” by women that ultimately have no interest in me in the end. They know I’m smart and can help them with their work, computers, cars, etc.

I don’t fall for it anymore, but when I was on the plantation… such a sucker for it.

Understanding who people are trying to project themselves to be is core to understanding their motives and avoiding the traps they’re trying to set.

"I've been thinking about what it would be like if we got back together."
"You know it's too late for that."

[TwistParticipant]

I am here because MGTOW is the modern John 8:32.

“Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

[Anonymous 42]

Twist wrote:

“Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

You will know the truth and the truth will set some people on fire!

[UntamedParticipant]

Twist wrote:

I am here because MGTOW is the modern John 8:32.

“Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

Amen to that!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 3]

TheSpice wrote:

I can’t count how many times I’ve been told “I like nerds” or “I love smart guys” by women that ultimately have no interest in me in the end. They know I’m smart and can help them with their work, computers, cars, etc.

I don’t fall for it anymore, but when I was on the plantation… such a sucker for it.

“Hope clouds observation.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

TheSpice wrote:

Understanding who people are trying to project themselves to be is core to understanding their motives and avoiding the traps they’re trying to set.

“Knowing where the trap is—that’s the first step in evading it.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

[TheSpiceParticipant 2644]

Anonymous wrote:

“Hope clouds observation.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

Anonymous wrote:

“Knowing where the trap is—that’s the first step in evading it.”
― Frank Herbert, Dune

So much wisdom. I am humbled.

"I've been thinking about what it would be like if we got back together."
"You know it's too late for that."

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

Swallowing the ideas you read in books without criteria is dumb. Looking at the validity of those ideas by what you see in life IS SMART.

So many believe that the written word is true and they require no alibi. That’s why the MSM is so successful in perverting the opinions of the public – most people will believe any publication, so long as it’s written.

A few will grow weary, when their experiences and perceptions don’t match up with those that seek to misguide.

A very few select only ever listen to themselves and never believed the opinions of those that seek to sway – not in the written or spoken word.

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

A very few select only ever listen to themselves and never believed the opinions of those that seek to sway – not in the written or spoken word.

Great and true words.

But I would not be so demanding of myself and my brother. Even if we where in error before, there is equal merit in realising the error and correcting it.

What is important is that there are men seeing reality. Seeing beyond the facade of illusion.

And I find such men in this site.

[MACHOParticipant]

Once hooked 🎣 by the look a man can often be led like a puppy to his demise. Great post Manfred.

Anonymous wrote:

A man sees this good looking girl. He gets interested in her and they begin a relationship.

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

Manfred, you might ask from where this image of the “perfect woman” comes from, and it’s actually an image that all men are born with. What society does is to “gloss over” the flaws and errors, like make-up for the face of a woman. Carl Jung called this image Anima. So, what women does is to take advantage of our inner construct, and latch onto a mans provider-instinct.

http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Anima_and_animus

Quote:

The anima is an archetype of the collective unconscious and not an aggregate of a man’s mother, sisters, aunts, and teachers though these aspects of the personal unconscious can ‘contaminate‘ the archetypes.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[Anonymous 0]

+1 for Manfred

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

A woman all covered in fake-up dancing with a gaming seductive pussy begging PUA are just like a match made in heaven (never mind who’s fooling whom). For some reason I can’t get that fitting picture out of my mind which is blowing right now…

– grinning –

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[OgreParticipant 5863]

True, even if the false image is maintained for decades.

It must be exhausting to let the man work, do the minimum in the house, and have sex only when you want. The modern married woman is truly a marvelous creature… the single ones I see straight through.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

The hardest part about this issue is that it’s not normally irrational to suppose that a beautiful thing is a good thing. Beauty is an essential standard for measuring goodness. When we see food that looks good, we assume that it IS good, and usually we are right. In fact, we place so much importance on beauty that some things gain their value primarily due to their aesthetic appeal (like precious metals).

Our instincts are designed to inform us that a beautiful woman is a good woman . . . good for childbearing, that is. Unfortunately, gynocentrism tricks men into thinking that women can also be good for other things, and these fictional qualities like love, compassion, empathy, companionship, faithfulness, etc. get lumped together as features that are also indicated by physical beauty.

To avoid the trap, men first have to understand what women are and what they aren’t: what physical beauty means, and what it doesn’t.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[narwhalParticipant]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

The hardest part about this issue is that it’s not normally irrational to suppose that a beautiful thing is a good thing. Beauty is an essential standard for measuring goodness. When we see food that looks good, we assume that it IS good, and usually we are right. In fact, we place so much importance on beauty that some things gain their value primarily due to their aesthetic appeal (like precious metals).
Our instincts are designed to inform us that a beautiful woman is a good woman . . . good for childbearing, that is. Unfortunately, gynocentrism tricks men into thinking that women can also be good for other things, and these fictional qualities like love, compassion, empathy, companionship, faithfulness, etc. get lumped together as features that are also indicated by physical beauty.

This is where parenting is supposed to come in. It’s not hard to imagine that a father can be their to guide their children when the lack the proper experience to see things for what they are. it used to actually be the standard. Parents were involved and would actively approve/disprove of a relationship/marriage. Now, media loves to claim that parents don’t know anything, they are only interested in clipping your wings and keeping you down.

Just the other day, my son (13 years old) was telling me that a girl he likes and has texted with a bit told him that she likes to play video games. She said a few buzzwords that made it convincing. He was clearly more interested now. So this was my opportunity to explain the chameleon concept to him. I didn’t want to burst his bubble, just didn’t want him to be surprised if this girl really wasn’t all that into games once the mask was off.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 3]

narwhal wrote:

This is where parenting is supposed to come in. It’s not hard to imagine that a father can be their to guide their children when the lack the proper experience to see things for what they are.

Thank you for that!

It is true that parents used to have the authority and children would listen and learn.
That used to avoid many mistakes, since people could build upon the wisdom of their parents.

However, the trouble begins when change happens so fast that parents cannot understand or contribute to SOME THINGS. Unfortunately that gets generalized as parents not understanding anything.

And thus people only have themselves and lost respect for their parent’s opinions.

[Anonymous 3]

I had a friend that used to say that, in the old days, old men where not valuable for knowing the past, but by being able to predict the future.

Since they had lived through a war, for example, they knew what would happen and how people could protect themselves.

The problem starts when the world is changing so fast that old people can no longer understand what is happening.

After that, old people are considered useless.

The way I see it, the change started to happen faster and faster.

At one point middle-aged people where almost considered useless.

Then something happened: young people turned into special snowflakes social media justice warrior zombies. Or saying it more bluntly: useless.

Society might be in denial, but at the moment I am convinced that middle-aged men are the most capable human beings in the west. Everybody else is mooching on them.

I am generalising, of course. There are exceptions, but I dont know many.

[WestcoasttrendkillParticipant 234]

Anonymous wrote:

Society might be in denial, but at the moment I am convinced that middle-aged men are the most capable human beings in the west. Everybody else is mooching on them.

You are describing the analogy of the welfare state,… The people pulling the cart that the rest of society is sitting in (free ride). Every year, less people are pulling the cart and more are hopping in for a free ride.

The smart ones are the guys realizing that pulling the cart is a scam. It’s better to not pull at all.

Mgtow is just one the variables in this.

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