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Anonymous5The MGTOW road to Stoicism and Minimalism, then Existential nihilism seems to be seen by many on here as the total loss of reason for existence. In many ways it is, but it only means the loss of all your previous reasons for existence.
In our previous (pre-MGTOW) lives, we didn’t realize the extent our lives centered around getting women and then getting them to love us the way we loved them.
Unplugging from the belief system we’re indoctrinated with from birth is one of the most traumatic events we’ll ever experience. It’s further exasperated by a new 20/20 view of how gynocentric our society is.
The only thing we’ve really lost in the process is a whole lot of false premises and unattainable goals. But granted, the premises and goals were beautiful and extremely desirable.
All we’ve lost is the bliss of ignorance that was guaranteed to ship wreck us on the rocks of reality.
What we’re left with is a blank page which is initially traumatizing, but the reality is we can fill in the blank page we’re left with any way we want now.
Whether we choose to keep the blank page or fill it, is our personal choice, and everyone has the right to make their choice without judgment from anyone.
There’s nothing new to this age old enigma, even in Blue Pill terms.
There’s a clip where Jack Parlance’s character in City Slickers not only relates a super MGTOW decision he made, which was why he left the love of his life at the NAWALT stage, but he also covers the question of the meaning of life as well as any philosopher in history ever did.
We still have the option of figuring out what we want in life. Furthermore, it was almost inevitable that we’d have realized it was all mostly bulls~~~ anyhow, just as many Blue Pillers eventually do if they live long enough.
It’s just like any other cycle in life, we have to be patient and wait for the new growth after a bush fire or devastating flood.The MGTOW road to Stoicism and Minimalism, then Existential nihilism seems to be seen by many on here as the total loss of reason for existence. In many ways it is, but it only means the loss of all your previous reasons for existence.In our previous (pre-MGTOW) lives, we didn’t realize the extent our lives centered around getting women and then getting them to love us the way we loved them
<< When you go red-pill, you realize this is not possible. It’s like chasing the wind.>> .
Unplugging from the belief system we’re indoctrinated with from birth is one of the most traumatic events we’ll ever experience. It’s further exasperated by a new 20/20 view of how gynocentric our society is.
The only thing we’ve really lost in the process is a whole lot of false premises and unattainable goals. But granted, the premises and goals were beautiful and extremely desirable.All we’ve lost is the bliss of ignorance that was guaranteed to ship wreck us on the rocks of realityRight after the red pill “moment,”You need to mentally ingest the meaning of the new life, and the value of the “old life.” For many this is hard to get over and so many go back to the way life,”was.”.
What we’re left with is a blank page which is initially traumatizing, but the reality is we can fill in the blank page we’re left with any way we want now.Whether we choose to keep the blank page or fill it, is our personal choice, and everyone has the right to make their choice without judgment from anyone.(well said)
There’s nothing new to this age old enigma, even in Blue Pill terms.There’s a clip where Jack Parlance’s character in City Slickers not only relates a super MGTOW decision he made, which was why he left the love of his life at the NAWALT stage,
<<He kept her “PERFECT” in his memory.>>
but he also covers the question of the meaning of life as well as any philosopher in history ever did.
<<Curly is telling him in that clip to “Find his passion” in life. Do that which makes YOU happy instead of kissing someone elses ass!>>
We still have the option of figuring out what we want in life. Furthermore, it was almost inevitable that we’d have realized it was all mostly bulls~~~ anyhow, just as many Blue Pillers eventually do if they live long enough.It’s just like any other cycle in life, we have to be patient and wait for the new growth after a bush fire or devastating flood.Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)
Admiral. Thanks for the post. I really enjoyed this, this morning.
This thread is the only decent one that has made any sense in the Philosophy section in weeks. Thanks.
Thanks for Monk and Wizard too, who regularly post good comments. And you too Daryl
Those are just 3 options MGTOW pick, but I don’t think going MGTOW leads to these directions by default.
stoicism: the endurance of pain or hardship without a display of feelings and without complaint.
This honestly sounds more blue pill to me. It’s what a man does when he marries a woman and/or takes all the abuse and never questions whether this fair equality. The way I see it a MGTOW will acknowledge that marry women or what have you a raw and chose not to endure the pain or hardship at all, much less bother displaying feelings about it.
Minimalism:
I have no problem spending money…on myself and people I care about. What I don’t want to do is throw money at woman expecting love and appreciation knowing I will get nothing but abuse and contempt.
Existential nihilism: is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value
A MGTOW came absolutely believe life has value. He just no longer believes that it’s value is achieved by gaining the approval of a woman.
Ok. Then do it.
Well in my view, my life has no meaning, there is no grandiose reason for me to exist, im not a unique snowflake.
Life is simple, you just live, i live, one day i will die and that is it.
I dont know where we got the idea that our lives are soo important, or that we must past our gens trying to achieve inmortality, is a futile effort to avoid the unavoidable.
Narwal sounds abourmt right about stoicism. I pass on all that crap, i just live free, do as i wish, enjoy what i like and dont give a crap. One day my time will be over, but until then IM GONNA DO AS I WISH
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
I have no doubt you lean towards nihilism @carnage. The point being that MGTOW doesn’t always lead there, as there are a lot of do still find meaning.
Ok. Then do it.
I have no doubt you lean towards nihilism @carnage. The point being that MGTOW doesn’t always lead there, as there are a lot of do still find meaning.
Nahhh, f~~~ nihilism too, nietzche went crazy becouse of that, is the obsesión of finding a meaning what gets you miserable.
I instead try to find a reason to not search for life meaning… I dont know if i make my self clear.
I think budda got it in a more inteligent way.
For example “hapiness” is not the lack of “hapiness” the problem, is the constant search for it.
I dont want it, is too much trouble, IM LAZY, so no im not a nihilist, i just try not to care, im not looking for an answer, im trying to forget the question.
No question=no problemTo those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
There needs to be a word for Carnage’s outlook. I think I get what you mean. It’s not a matter of finding meaning/purpose in life, or deciding their is no mean, it’s a matter not be concerned about meaning. Instead, take happiness when it presence itself, and avoid unnecessary pain and anguish.
Or maybe I got it all wrong.
In a way, it’s a ‘child-like’ approach. And I don’t mean that negatively. Children do not always question everything, they are happy to accept things for the way they are without wondering why.
Ok. Then do it.
Ive brushed with Nihilism extensively, as well as atheism and deep alcoholism. All that makes for a recipe of SUICIDE which I barely survived. If not for immediate surgery and blood transfusion I would have died.
Its not a joke. So how am I alive? How am I sober? (but Im still half nihilist and certainly still atheist)
The reason I live is because I found VALUE for ME… a reason for ME to want to continue to experience this life.
My value is different from yours. Whether Carnage admits it or not, deep within him, there is still a driving value that keeps him from offing himself… if it wasn’t there, he’d do himself in, or many others along with himself lol.
Even if you just live to mindlessly indulge… (as many so obviously do whether its chocolate or vodka) it keeps you alive to a point…
Some find VALUE in consuming alcohol daily
some find value in eating globs of bread and chocolate daily
some find value in f~~~ing teenage girls
some find value in reading christian literature
….. what’s yours?
Mine is contemplation of visuals and fine art. I like thinking and I like working with my hands. I like riding my bicycle. All this keeps me wanting to LIVE and wanting to be sober.
I do not VALUE pussy because it always leads to suffering…
What do you do after work Carnage? You drink a pint of Ale and watch Youtube? Maybe you take a walk with a dog? There’s something that you find worth living for… something that is simply better than anything in this s~~~ty world… something that is better than the ugliness of humanity.
My value is different from yours. Whether Carnage admits it or not, deep within him, there is still a driving value that keeps him from offing himself… if it wasn’t there, he’d do himself in, or many others along with himself lol.
Even if you just live to mindlessly indulge… (as many so obviously do whether its chocolate or vodka) it keeps you alive to a point…I don’t think the ‘default setting’ is suicide though. From what I understand of suicide (and I am no expert) you always want to kill yourself. It’s an active thing, not a result of lack of anything better to do. The people I’ve known who have tried it typically wanted the attention, they wanted to make other feel pain for how they perceived they were treated. Or they wanted to be with someone who had already passed. Or they were dealing with a pain in their life that they just didn’t want to deal with anymore.
We have a natural survival instinct. In the absence of meaning, the default setting is to stay alive at a minimum, not to end your life.
That said, I do think virtually everyone has a motivation to do or witness some experience in their life. Some have lofty goals, some are just trying to get through the day.
I used to have a roommate that would always say that he wanted to ‘suck the marrow out of life”. He want to experience as much as possible. I could never get on board with that. There are certain things I think are not worth the effort, and certain things I want to enjoy again and again. I don’t have a bucket list.
Ok. Then do it.
What do you do after work Carnage? You drink a pint of Ale and watch Youtube? Maybe you take a walk with a dog? There’s something that you find worth living for… something that is simply better than anything in this s~~~ty world… something that is better than the ugliness of humanity.
Ohhh why i dont off my selft?
I tried and it didnt work, i hanged my selft, dont know how, dont know why, but this body of mine found strengt to pull the rope while basically walking on the wall, my body doesnt want ro die so i wont bother with it. My cells fight every day not to day, why should i refuse them of something soo natural?What i do after work, i cook, clean, go to the gym, walk on the beach, listen to music, read my stuff (gotta keep updated in medicine), see some you tube (popp and tfm mostly) and post here.
If im sore from the gym i get a massage.
I live a simple life, with no problems or headache, twice a year i go up the mountains 3000 meters or soo.
That is about it.
Why off your self? If you want, be my guess, one less asshole to worry about.
Yep you could say im kind of like a little kid, am i selfish? YES I AM. am i lazy? YES I AM. am i happy? I DONT KNOW AND I DONT CARE. All my basic stuff is covered, i have little desires unacomplished, soo i guess yes.
I wold sleep more quiet at night if 90% of humanity jusr vanished (my ex and her whole family, my dad and 99% of my family included), but hey you cant always get what you want.
I just keep living, my cells keep metabolizing stuff and i aint gonna move a finger to stop them.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
I agree Narwhal. My experience is subjective. For me, Im not a depressed person, never was… Alcoholism lead me to eventually self-harm. It took years to get to that point because Im the last person to ever want to commit suicide. However, I am a real alcoholic. And since alcohol is a depressant, it finally pulled me down. My one-off experience is by no means a philosophical axiom.
I have views about Values and coping with life, based on my own Atheist perspective and recovery from substance abuse…
My value is different from yours. Whether Carnage admits it or not, deep within him, there is still a driving value that keeps him from offing himself… if it wasn’t there, he’d do himself in, or many others along with himself lol.Even if you just live to mindlessly indulge… (as many so obviously do whether its chocolate or vodka) it keeps you alive to a point…
I don’t think the ‘default setting’ is suicide though. From what I understand of suicide (and I am no expert) you always want to kill yourself. It’s an active thing, not a result of lack of anything better to do. The people I’ve known who have tried it typically wanted the attention, they wanted to make other feel pain for how they perceived they were treated. Or they wanted to be with someone who had already passed. Or they were dealing with a pain in their life that they just didn’t want to deal with anymore.
We have a natural survival instinct. In the absence of meaning, the default setting is to stay alive at a minimum, not to end your life.
That said, I do think virtually everyone has a motivation to do or witness some experience in their life. Some have lofty goals, some are just trying to get through the day.
I used to have a roommate that would always say that he wanted to ‘suck the marrow out of life”. He want to experience as much as possible. I could never get on board with that. There are certain things I think are not worth the effort, and certain things I want to enjoy again and again. I don’t have a bucket list.Exactly, suicide is anti natural, murder is natural, you get into a liob territory there will be a fight.
But stupid s~~~ like romeo and juliet and many before it romantizised the idea of suicide, you get screwd over you dont go and rescrew your self, that is stupid, i know, i was stupid, the natural response is TO KILL WHAT HURT YOU, i have more respect for a murderer than i do for a suicidal loser, since you gonna kick the bucket at least make it worth something.
That is why i said in another post I AM A COWARD, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO KILL MY SELF I SHOULD HAVE DUSMEMBERED MY EX AND ANYTHING THAT COMES NEAR ME. But i didnt have the b~~~~.
If i hurt you, your response must be to try to hurt me, no go home and cry in your room, that is anti natural, that is programmed.
Anyway, what do i know, im just a forced sociopath with a voluntarily developed split personality (or the delusion of one). Hey what ever works.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
The MGTOW road to Stoicism and Minimalism, then Existential nihilism seems to be seen by many on here as the total loss of reason for existence. In many ways it is, but it only means the loss of all your previous reasons for existence.In our previous (pre-MGTOW) lives, we didn’t realize the extent our lives centered around getting women and then getting them to love us the way we loved them.Unplugging from the belief system we’re indoctrinated with from birth is one of the most traumatic events we’ll ever experience. It’s further exasperated by a new 20/20 view of how gynocentric our society is.The only thing we’ve really lost in the process is a whole lot of false premises and unattainable goals. But granted, the premises and goals were beautiful and extremely desirable.All we’ve lost is the bliss of ignorance that was guaranteed to ship wreck us on the rocks of reality.What we’re left with is a blank page which is initially traumatizing, but the reality is we can fill in the blank page we’re left with any way we want now.Whether we choose to keep the blank page or fill it, is our personal choice, and everyone has the right to make their choice without judgment from anyone.There’s nothing new to this age old enigma, even in Blue Pill terms.There’s a clip where Jack Parlance’s character in City Slickers not only relates a super MGTOW decision he made, which was why he left the love of his life at the NAWALT stage, but he also covers the question of the meaning of life as well as any philosopher in history ever did.<iframe width=”500″ height=”281″ src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/PunAKEccqyU?feature=oembed” frameborder=”0″ allow=”accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture” allowfullscreen=””></iframe>We still have the option of figuring out what we want in life. Furthermore, it was almost inevitable that we’d have realized it was all mostly bulls~~~ anyhow, just as many Blue Pillers eventually do if they live long enough.It’s just like any other cycle in life, we have to be patient and wait for the new growth after a bush fire or devastating flood.
All things in balance. A strict mgtow ideology requires to gtow from gtow and it cancels itself out.
I am a big follower of Stoicism. I strive for being a Stoic Sage even though it’s unattainable.
Stoicism is not strictly about enduring suffering. It is to learn to not suffer. Suffering is largely a choice.
They do not advocate putting up with s~~~.
They make a distinction between that which we can control and that we cannot. Ignore what we can’t control and maximise what we can control.
There is way more to it than that however. If any of you have an emerging interest in this philosophy I highly recommend it.
A good young modern Stoic and Author is Ryan Holiday. Start with him. He will introduce you to much of what Stoicism has to offer.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
I am a big follower of Stoicism. I strive for being a Stoic Sage even though it’s unattainable.Stoicism is not strictly about enduring suffering. It is to learn to not suffer. Suffering is largely a choice.They do not advocate putting up with s~~~.They make a distinction between that which we can control and that we cannot. Ignore what we can’t control and maximise what we can control.There is way more to it than that however. If any of you have an emerging interest in this philosophy I highly recommend it.A good young modern Stoic and Author is Ryan Holiday. Start with him. He will introduce you to much of what Stoicism has to offer.
Doc, s~~~, how long as it been since you posted here? Good to see you.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Tha is Hermit. Good to see you too. I post now and again but lurk a fir bit. Been posting on other sites but not as much as I once was. Work, kids and solitude been taking up my time.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Tha is Hermit. Good to see you too. I post now and again but lurk a fir bit. Been posting on other sites but not as much as I once was. Work, kids and solitude been taking up my time.
I wish I could stop coming here as often, but I’m addicted to the site because of talking with good folks like you that I’ve met on here. Happy holidays to ya’.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
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