THE KM is a liar

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I have been requesting the KM cease billing my for my membership for almost two months now…E-mail after E-mail has gone unanswered and the charging to my card goes on unabated. I have disputed the last three charges to my credit card with my company. Yet the KM has stated that anyone anytime can cancel the money sent to him…BS I just got another bill showing this charge. I have even complained to the FTC about this conduct.

What doe it take to cancel this—do I need to show up in Portland in person to discuss this with you?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hello and good morning Pistole Pete

We have honored your cancel request and even refunded you 5 months retroactively .
You should also have received 5 emails informing you of each: “MGTOW Has initiated a refund”.

Also check your mail. Attached is a snapshot from the processor showing and confirming your subscription has been cancelled – 5 months refunded – and you will never be billed again. It’s very important to us that you receive a refund(s) but that’s the part that we have to do MANUALLY. Hence the delay.

PistolPete wrote:

What doe it take to cancel this

Nothing . We are taking care of it for any pending requests. Everyone who requested a cancel request will receive a refund retroactively to the date of their request + 1 month.

This is already outlined in detail here.

/forums/topic/schedule/

Since I did not know the exact date of your request at the time of your post, you received 5 months retroactively.

PistolPete wrote:

do I need to show up in Portland in person to discuss this with you?

No, and I’m not in Portland anyway.
Don’t know where you got that idea.

Everyone has been informed with loud super-sticky threads in the forums + popup broadcast notice you must have seen. We are handling all cancellation requests first, and the refunds are the manual time consuming part. We expect ALL pending cancellations to be complete this weekend. We need to be able to say it’s handled for EVERYONE – and not just certain individuals.

In any case, yours is fully taken care of.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It’s also important to note, that MANY members who cancelled have also since changed their minds.

They have seen recent progress – and/or noticed the login issues fully resolved – and took a moment to write and instruct us to ignore their requests. So we are also juggling cancellations of cancel requests. Anyone can begin to see how this can quite be a handful

They deserve our sincere thanks.
And so do you – for your support of the site thus far.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 7]

Keymaster wrote:

You should also have received 5 emails informing you of each: “MGTOW Has initiated a refund”.

Not trying to throw fuel on the fire but you said I would receive emails, I have not.
For now I am taking you at your word and will wait to see what happens next month.

Keymaster wrote:

It’s also important to note, that MANY members who cancelled have also since changed their minds.

One day I might change my mind too. I dunno, shrug.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Not trying to throw fuel on the fire but you said I would receive emails, I have not.

You have now.

Attached to your email is proof of cancellation and refunds.
You can see “this customer account has been permanently closed”.

As clearly outlined, we are cancelling any pending requests first.
(like phase one – going through any and all pending requests that may have come in since Jan 2018 – so that none are missed.)

THEN we will be able to globally announce that ALL pending requests have been honored.

THEN we are issuing refunds to those cancel requests. (like a phase two)

THEN when we can confirm that is done, we can send personalized confirmation emails out.

In your case, I jumped right on it just now to send it to you.
But your subscription was cancelled when I informed you (dated 08.19 – 18:24:55) – which is also on the proof of cancellation.

I look forward to your confirmation of receipt.

Thank you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

It’s so sad to see almost all veteran members and contributors now take their hat and leave.

May the remaining new brothers be even more resistant to bullying and the deep hitting insults from OldBill and the like… (Giving men who come here the exact same treatment we get from society, and no one cared to punt his power-tripping psycho ass)

Under the red line, what happened was exactly what these “ghost and spectator trolls” always announced:

(For months, LOL, and no one deleted them, some of these profiles still exist, LOL)

“Tower, Matrix, Gambit… All will be removed” And so on…

But, in the end…

They have reached their goal: Getting rid of all of us – and that’s why all rumors look like truths.

Maybe they are truths.

I dedicate this to Old Sage, it was his favorite…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Daryll55Participant 2958]

I kinda miss that old sage fella. We had a lot of common thought.

Sorry to see PP leave. I was getting used to seeing his organ music thread every friday,… {whatever that was about).

KM, I sincerely hope that next time you do a “blanket E-mail” to the membership.I know you were busy trying to get the problems hammered out, but it doesn’t take too long to make one.

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Daryll55 wrote:

I kinda miss that old sage fella. We had a lot of common thought.
Sorry to see PP leave. I was getting used to seeing his organ music thread every friday,… {whatever that was about).
KM, I sincerely hope that next time you do a “blanket E-mail” to the membership.I know you were busy trying to get the problems hammered out, but it doesn’t take too long to make one.

Yes, what I said: Under the red line what ACTUALLY happened was a great purge of people truth bombers the corrupt SPLC wants gone from here.

If it was “intended” or not, does no longer matter.

Rumors stick tight and what happens now is that the splinter groups are now creating their own forums.

As I predicted. We are the Hydra.

One new forum is already up since a few days. And search engines will most likely prefer fresh and growing content.

The SPLC is not dealing with dumb cowards who can’t get a date.

We are professionals with knowledge and we have an agenda.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 7]

Keymaster wrote:

I look forward to your confirmation of receipt.

I have received the cancellation email.
Thx.

[AwakenedParticipant 35206]

Gargamel wrote:

It’s so sad to see almost all veteran members and contributors now take their hat and leave.

Each man is FREE to Go His Own Way, Maybe some of our paths will cross again…..Until then, we can look forward to other Men joining that we can learn from as well as hopefully help along their journeys.

I recall KM mentioning in the not so recent past that MGTOW is BIGGER then a web site. I agree, and would like to add that MGTOW is NOT a group activity even though we get together and share some s~~~; MGTOW is about each of us INDIVIDUALLY getting what we each uniquely need for our independent journeys, but also helping out another brother in the process.

So, many of those men that jumped ship will continue to spread the word on their new venue(s), and hopefully be able to keep on their paths while also helping other Men as well. Maybe, this separation will actually help more Men in the long run, and if it does that to even a small extent then isn’t that what it’s all really about anyways ????

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Awakened wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

It’s so sad to see almost all veteran members and contributors now take their hat and leave.

Each man is FREE to Go His Own Way, Maybe some of our paths will cross again…..Until then, we can look forward to other Men joining that we can learn from as well as hopefully help along their journeys.
I recall KM mentioning in the not so recent past that MGTOW is BIGGER then a web site. I agree, and would like to add that MGTOW is NOT a group activity even though we get together and share some s~~~; MGTOW is about each of us INDIVIDUALLY getting what we each uniquely need for our independent journeys, but also helping out another brother in the process.
So, many of those men that jumped ship will continue to spread the word on their new venue(s), and hopefully be able to keep on their paths while also helping other Men as well. Maybe, this separation will actually help more Men in the long run, and if it does that to even a small extent then isn’t that what it’s all really about anyways ????

I 100 % agree.

The trolls were “warned” and educated by me: If they stir us up (in our little paradise here) we will go off like a “dirty bomb” and create them even more headache. Soon forcing Google to employ more “feminists” to censor our stuff and lose more credibility in the process.

MGTOW existed long before there was the internet. I also read that MGTOW wasn’t even the first on the scene. The site “happy bachelors” (or so) claims to have been (or they were) the first.

The “manosphere” on YouTube is bigger than all websites combined. Some viewcounts go into the deep 6 figures. And then you can see by the like-to-dislike-ratio how big our sympathies among the “viewers of all camps” are.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Can now confirm that ALL cancellation requests ever submitted using the “subscription cancel” request feature (on the profile) have been honored , refunded + 1 month (or more), and confirmation emails have gone out.

Some members may have received a duplicate confirmation to be certain.

We have a receipt of every member who ever clicked “cancel” going back to early 2018 when it was first implemented. It includes their their profile, user id, email and date of request. ALL of them have now been honored.

All that remains is a quick sweep through any recent email contact form requests (if any are not already handled) to confirm no loose ends.
A broadcast notice will follow in a few minutes.

Thank you.

Daryll55 wrote:

KM, I sincerely hope that next time you do a “blanket E-mail” to the membership.I know you were busy trying to get the problems hammered out, but it doesn’t take too long to make one.

We can’t email blast 32K members . We don’t have enough monthly subscribers to justify that.

I don’t mind saying it’s rather surprising that only 2 cancelled members ever “disputed” a charge.
( Each payment receipt you get provides a link to do that. Not even Pete disputed a charge. )

That takes care of it.

Anyone who recently used the contact form instead…
we’ll get to those cancellations ASAP tonight if any are not already handled.

Delighted we can now make the announcement.
Thank you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

To any members who cancelled their cancellation requests ( and changed their minds ), we have not downgraded any long time subscribers. Would like to thank them too.

Some have written to say a refund(s) were not necessary, but yes they were, and we insist.
A thousand thanks to you for your kind return messages.

THE KM is a liar

No. He isn’t.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Joey AlfioParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I have been requesting the KM cease billing my for my membership for almost two months now…E-mail after E-mail has gone unanswered and the charging to my card goes on unabated. I have disputed the last three charges to my credit card with my company. Yet the KM has stated that anyone anytime can cancel the money sent to him…BS I just got another bill showing this charge. I have even complained to the FTC about this conduct.
What doe it take to cancel this—do I need to show up in Portland in person to discuss this with you?

Do us all a favor Pete and f~~~ off already. KM has done what you’ve asked. Your drama isn’t welcomed here anymore.

I told you what would happen if you and your buddies came back so take your refund and this warning and GTFO.

Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Joey Alfio wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

I have been requesting the KM cease billing my for my membership for almost two months now…E-mail after E-mail has gone unanswered and the charging to my card goes on unabated. I have disputed the last three charges to my credit card with my company. Yet the KM has stated that anyone anytime can cancel the money sent to him…BS I just got another bill showing this charge. I have even complained to the FTC about this conduct.What doe it take to cancel this—do I need to show up in Portland in person to discuss this with you?

Do us all a favor Pete and f~~~ off already. KM has done what you’ve asked. Your drama isn’t welcomed here anymore.
I told you what would happen if you and your buddies came back so take your refund and this warning and GTFO.

He already left. Including the entire 10 to 20K+ poster team.

I am sure that he will not “bother” anyone on here anymore.

So will all the others who have now started their own forums.

…non SPLC conforming…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 7]

Joey Alfio wrote:

Do us all a favor Pete and f~~~ off already. KM has done what you’ve asked. Your drama isn’t welcomed here anymore.

I told you what would happen if you and your buddies came back so take your refund and this warning and GTFO.

Huh, neat.
Congrats on your promotion.

Cheers!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

It’s plain to see that no one cares about all top contributors leaving.

And that shall be some kind of warning to new members not to invest too much time and energy in posting here.

The appreciation you WILL get is most likely the same as you would get from some woman you invested all of your resources in and got a polite kick in the ass as a thank you.

And a punt out the the door for not “being good enough” for some “OldBill” clown.

I heard that the site is “under new management” and I am starting to believe it.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gargamel wrote:

It’s plain to see that no one cares about all top contributors leaving.

When a “top contributor” posts a thread called “A message from Keymaster” misaddressed to everyone on my behalf, they become a top C~~~-tributor. So yeah, I for one won’t care if they find greener pastures.

Gargamel wrote:

The appreciation you WILL get is most likely the same as you would get from some women you invested all of your resources in and got a kick in the ass as a thank you.

That’s patently false and appreciation is gushing in this thread all by itself.
Have even upgraded a few members that helped us solve recent problems.

Gargamel wrote:

I heard that the site is “under new management” and I am starting to believe it.

From whom? One of those “top contributors” of drama?
You can suspect it’s “under new management” if the domain / zones ever change.
Don’t hold your breath. Nobody can afford to buy it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 7]

Gargamel wrote:

I heard that the site is “under new management” and I am starting to believe it.

I’ve ‘heard’ lots of s~~~.
Some make sense, some don’t. S~~~ has changed. I don’t care the reason. S~~~ changened.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I’ve ‘heard’ lots of s~~~. Some make sense, some don’t. S~~~ has changed. I don’t care the reason. S~~~ changened.

If that’s your way of saying you’re loving the rebuild, fixes and improvements…. I’ll thank you very much.

But it’s kinda like an iceberg right now.
You’re only seeing about 10% of it.

If you have any QUESTIONS … you may ASK.
Beats listening to “lots of s~~~”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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