The Decline of Masculinity

[Anonymous 11]

I remember my father and his many friends all of whom are dead now. They were of the WWII generation. My dad would be 95.

His artillery unit was one of the first American relief units to arrive on the scene at the Battle of the Bulge. My father never spoke of it. After reading his unit history, I understood why. It was hell on Earth.

These men were f~~~ing men. They took no s~~~. They could fix things. Their wives did not try to destroy them. There were no manginas. A few men were henpecked but nothing like today.

What are the causes?

I suspect some are cultural like feminism, entertainment brainwashing, and a captive legal system.

My other hypothesis would be chemical pollutant contamination in what we consume. Many chemicals contained in plastics and a slew of others bind to Estrogen receptors. I remember when everything came in glass jars and bottles not plastic.

Girls are having their first periods and growing breasts at ridiculously young ages. Manginas actually sport a feminine look to them.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

Simple: Feminism combined with the Elite. The Elite like Feminism because it means less competition for them. Masculinity means competition. But more importantly Masculinity means competition for one’s own betterment leading to independence. The more independent a person is the more they do not need government, health care services, etc. But the Elite need things like government in order to stay in higher positions of power and comfort. Therefore they push feminism, promiscuity, and homosexual values. But if you look at the majority of the Elite, they themselves do not follow these virtues. They tend to be married heterosexual masculine men.

But that is why it is important to remember that women are not our only enemy. There are those who seek to press us down in order to protect their own advantageous standard of living.

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

There are still a few masculine men left. I reject all forms of feminine behavior. Some say I’m too abrasive, others wish they had a do not give a f~~~ attitude. Believe me, deep down inside all women want a savage to ravage them. Look at Europe, wasteland of sissified, pampered men. Who did they invite to their homelands? A bunch of savage war torn survivors/refugees. Ask yourselves who set forth or pushed those policies?

Of note, I really am not trying to give PUA tips but nice guys truly finish last and assholes always finish first. Don’t believe me? Have some women explain her last five boyfriends. When she’s done, ask her why she chose them in the first place.

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

You make excellent points all around.

Yes, the brainwashing began in the 1960’s. Now that WWII era guys are passing to the great beyond, today’s males have no strong role model. The new “strong” by their definition, is actually “weak” by classic definition. The cult of feminism is a Marxist based entity, and has succeeded in creating psychological double-speak in an eriely idenitcal manner as “1984”.

Now the physical. You are definitely on to something with the plastics, again that became common during the 1950’s. The second thing people are forgetting is that female hormones have made it through the ecosystem. Most importantly is the dairy issue, for many years female cows were given hormones to increase milk production. Now think how post-war kids began being raised on “formula” based on dairy. Everything we eat in the USA has some dairy in it. The hormones are being cut back, but not entirely wiped out. The key issue is that certain hormones do not break down in the ecosystem, so the cows are p~~~ing that out too. Now think of all the women on hormones for birth control and fertility, as well as estrogen replacement. Many of those do not break down in the waste water processing, and end up back in drinking water. Yep, that is why we have three generations of doughy man boobed beta males.

Pathetic creatures, if the world burns then perhaps it is for the best.

Sovereignty above all else.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

I am not one to indulge in conspiracies, as some of you know, however I will grant the fact that a diet rich in highly processed food is not healthy for the human body and the first response the body has to that is a change in the hormonal response. Keep that for enough time and the hormonal imbalance becomes the new dynamic equilibrium (aka the new “normal”). But again, this is readily available knowledge which is why I don’t think it’s a conspiracy per se. And I also understand the industries that keep pushing this stuff since they act on market stimuli and the marked wants the crap(because it’s cheap and tastes good) so they keep producing it.
I also think that the media(s) play a big part too, if not the biggest. The media and entertainment industry has a double negative effect in that it both creates negative role models and projects a bad light on the good role models that young men should seek. This way they create loyal follower and destroy their competition at the same time. Again, no real conspiracy, but economic sense from their perspective. They want to create drones. Drones will not listen to the manly man that tells them to go OUT and play hard, work hard and enjoy life. No, drones will listen to the TV character that makes them feel like a hero while sitting on the f~~~ing couch watching TV all day, or playing video games or going to the movies or whatever other means of living a fantasy life thinking you are the guy you see on the screen.

Now, I know many of you like video games and you might not agree. I like video games too, but:
You like shooters? Go try a gun range or hunting and see the difference.
You like RPGs? Go on a backpack trip around the continent and see the difference.
Like simulators? Go rent a sports car and try it on a closed circuit, or take flying lessons and see the difference.
You like strategy? Go build an international corporation.(granted this one is a bit tough…)

I think you get the point. Why slave away at a job for most your life if all you get is made-up, fake living through other characters you see on a screen? But it makes sense for them because they give you fake value and you give them real money, and money = your time which equals YOUR LIFE.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[Anonymous 54]

John Woods 13 wrote:

I am not one to indulge in conspiracies, as some of you know, however I will grant the fact that a diet rich in highly processed food is not healthy for the human body and the first response the body has to that is a change in the hormonal response. Keep that for enough time and the hormonal imbalance becomes the new dynamic equilibrium (aka the new “normal”). But again, this is readily available knowledge which is why I don’t think it’s a conspiracy per se. And I also understand the industries that keep pushing this stuff since they act on market stimuli and the marked wants the crap(because it’s cheap and tastes good) so they keep producing it.
I also think that the media(s) play a big part too, if not the biggest. The media and entertainment industry has a double negative effect in that it both creates negative role models and projects a bad light on the good role models that young men should seek. This way they create loyal follower and destroy their competition at the same time. Again, no real conspiracy, but economic sense from their perspective. They want to create drones. Drones will not listen to the manly man that tells them to go OUT and play hard, work hard and enjoy life. No, drones will listen to the TV character that makes them feel like a hero while sitting on the f~~~ing couch watching TV all day, or playing video games or going to the movies or whatever other means of living a fantasy life thinking you are the guy you see on the screen.

Now, I know many of you like video games and you might not agree. I like video games too, but:
You like shooters? Go try a gun range or hunting and see the difference.
You like RPGs? Go on a backpack trip around the continent and see the difference.
Like simulators? Go rent a sports car and try it on a closed circuit, or take flying lessons and see the difference.
You like strategy? Go build an international corporation.(granted this one is a bit tough…)

I think you get the point. Why slave away at a job for most your life if all you get is made-up, fake living through other characters you see on a screen? But it makes sense for them because they give you fake value and you give them real money, and money = your time which equals YOUR LIFE.

Masculinity can be cultivated.Or discouraged. Boys are now raised to cultivate female traits. Thank you Gloria the c~~~ stienem.Cook a steak on the grille,light a campfire,learn to shoot. I like to race motorcycles. I don’t recommend that though. Un less you really need to.

[narwhalParticipant]

Of note, I really am not trying to give PUA tips but nice guys truly finish last and assholes always finish first. Don’t believe me? Have some women explain her last five boyfriends. When she’s done, ask her why she chose them in the first place.

Correlation does not mean causation. Women want men will tell them no, who won’t put up with their crap. The so called nice guy will put up with the crap, but you can tell her no and still be a nice/good guy. The asshole generally won’t put up with her crap, but that doesn’t a guy can’t be an asshole and a mangina at the same time.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 54]

Let me add.. do some damn pushups.The more upper body strength you have the more masculine you feel.

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

John Woods 13 wrote:

And I also understand the industries that keep pushing this stuff since they act on market stimuli and the marked wants the crap(because it’s cheap and tastes good) so they keep producing it.

Bingo. Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. In this case, the incompetence of the American consumer.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

only in western culture. masculinity is alive and well in other cultures and they will take over.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

cPig, this is a great topic. Thank you!
I have to say that for most of my life I have been looking for good role models. Unfortunately most men in my life were relatively weak. I did have some good teachers but I could never go beyond the student-teacher relationship, so that didn’t help much either. I had a couple bosses that thought me some good things especially about discipline and dealing with people. My grandfathers thought me some outdoors skills and many of the DIY skills I have, but they died way too early.
What I’m trying to say is that I never really found anyone to share real, honest, manly wisdom with me. I had to struggle to find it myself and it cost me dearly.
So yes, I would say masculinity is in decline and this is one of the reasons. Our role models are nowhere to be found. Whether they are dead, too rare or simply afraid to speak the truth because of PC pressure, I’m not sure, but their absence is devastating.
Add to this the fact that more and more fathers are being separated from their children and that just compounds the problem.
This is why I greatly and sincerely appreciate some of the older (by their own admission) members here. The wisdom they share on their posts is priceless and you can see the loving and compassionate tone in their posts, especially when giving advice to the younger guys. It may be because they consider us as sons, or maybe they are just thinking of their own selves when they were young. Regardless of their reasons, so far they have been the closest thing to a mentor I’ve ever had in my life and I am grateful.
Thank you!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

You guys are all fake mgtow that don’t know s~~~, I’m real mgtow and your all fake, and the answer to the decline of masculinity you morons are clueless about, it’s those f~~~ing Jews that control the media and own everything!!!! ARGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, LOL, just messing with you guys.

ha ha! I had to look twice at your name and avatar just to make sure I wasn’t reading … you know who.
Good one!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

uchibenkei wrote:

only in western culture. masculinity is alive and well in other cultures and they will take over.

While that might be true, I also see a lot of Barbarism being falsely perceived as masculinity, so i would be curious which culture exactly you are speaking of.

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I wouldn’t call it a “decline of masculinity”.

I would call it…. the rape of the natural world.

Going micro for a moment, my Dad was as “masculine” as they come. He wouldn’t even use “masculine” in a sentence because he would think that’s feminine. He also saw a gay guy I once worked with queening around, hugging and kissing another guy, and he excused himself because he didn’t want to look at that s~~~. Especially at a formal event.

BUT……

He couldn’t BE as “masculine” as he was, because he was married. In order to keep the peace, he often forfeited and deflected his “power” over to Mom and resigned himself to accepting a more secondary role. He would excuse himself instead of becoming verbal. And “wait until your father gets home”…… eventually became “go ask your mother”.

He was still the same man, he just realized he was living in an UNNATURAL ENVIRONMENT. They call it “The Decline of Masculinity” to imply women are not responsible or involved in deliberately trying to bring it down. As if it “just happened”.

When a man is legally not permitted to maintain his masculine authority, it’s not a decline of masculinity. It’s intentionally raping him out of what nature and everyone else EXPECTS HIM TO HAVE.

They want to feed boys Ritalin in schools?
Then they never get to use the term “decline of masculinity” in a sentence again.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

I dunno, I look around and see that femininity has suffered a massive head wound! Sure masculinity suffered immensely, but femininity? Head blown clean off by feminism! I find nothing desirable or attractive in today’s masculine inundated woman. Id rather f~~~ a goat! A MALE GOAT!

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Boys are shamed for exhibition natural male traits such as rough play and competition at a young age. Now the new age authority figures in schools want a trophy for everyone and gentle play.
The more we run from our basic human biological traits, the more we are f~~~ed as a society. Read Lord of the Flies to get a fictitious, yet prophetic tale of where we are headed if we continue on the current path.

[Anonymous 22]

uchibenkei wrote:

only in western culture. masculinity is alive and well in other cultures and they will take over.

The laws in western countries could be a contributing factor to the decline of masculinity. Men can’t act in a way that is natural to them because they can be put in jail for that.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I dunno, I look around and see that femininity has suffered a massive head wound! Sure masculinity suffered immensely, but femininity? Head blown clean off

Excellent point and you’re 100% b~~~~ accurate. All the chatter about the “decline of masculinity” is just a deflection away from the CATASTROPHE of the Western / American female. They definitely don’t want you talking about that.

This was even written by a former feminist(!)

QUOTE: “The Cultural Devastation of American Women is a factual investigation into the American woman’s abuse of liberation. Levant burrows into the psyches and habits of American women. She exposes over-spending, over-decorating, obsessions with beauty, weight, social climbing, and the hiring out of traditional female functions. All of these demonstrate a rejection of biological instincts and behaviors. Levant exposes demanding, unreasonable, and incompetent mothers. She delves with brutal frankness into women and marriage, child rearing, divorce, hypochondria, self-absorption, and vanity, challenging the assumption that Westernized society freed women from social bondage. Levant calls for a critical evaluation of womanhood in 21st Century America. The Cultural Devastation of American Women is reckoning day for American women as readers of all ages and political persuasions find complete agreement with the proof of the voices of suffering children. By including the commentary of daycare children to create premise and purpose, Levant allows our children to report on the current state of parenthood, home life, and themselves.”

Oh I’m sorry…. what was that about “The Decline of Masculinity” again? because nobody FORCED women to forfeit their feminity. They chose that on their own.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 3]

Unfortunately no, the mere fact that they were shamed into fighting in World Wars kind of shows how things always were.

Sure things are even worse now with laws, but before you praise these previous generations, understand that they wrote these laws and guided the world to what it is now. Boomers and Millennials just followed what they were led into, so if you believe things were better then you blame whoever WAS in charge when it was better.

MGTOW has been around for hundreds or thousands of years. We have newspaper articles and clippings from one hundred, two hundred years ago using the “going their own way” language in regards to “bachelors”.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Just to echo what c-pig said – the WW2 generation was a unique bastion of masculinity. My grandfather would almost be 100 if he was still alive. He was attached to a tank battalion and saw heavy action throughout the war – including North Africa. A very quite man, but one tough SOB. Our current generation, for the most part, would crumble under such pressures and adversities that they endured – both male and female.

When I was growing up, and his friends were passing, I remember the odd comment about how he felt “out of phase” with younger men. I took this to be a generational thing – I now realize that he meant he did not “fit” with feminization of society. Compared to him, I am pampered – it’s a symptom of our politically correct society. Yet, I am way more masculine than most- and it sometimes gets me in trouble. But now I get the “one of phase” comment; I feel it with my own generation. Nothing in common with most of them- it does get lonely.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

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