A friendly (and rational) reminder that a collapse would be terrible for MGTOW

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

OldBill wrote:

Not me. I’m not cleaning up their messes.

On the other hand, I believe a “reset” can be achieved without the complete destruction of civilization worldwide.

An alternative can be achieved without that. But, I’m not going to work my ass off to find one.

OldBill wrote:

In my decades of experience, when someone says that is usually means they don’t have the skills in question. You could be an exception, but I don’t bet on exceptions.

I know I don’t have the same training you got from the military, especially with regards to combat experience or escaping hostile situations like in Argentina, but I do have strong survival skills. Put me in a forest with no food and water, and I’d survive without a problem.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

I went from a luxury lifestyle in the matrix to developing a selfsufficient lifestyle cosuming almost nothing. My life is much more confortable and rewarding now.

Dakta Manki, I hear ya bro! I’ve been liberating myself from all things that feed the beast, Snowmobiles with their taxes registrations and insurance. Truck and trailer with their outrageous insurance and maintenance costs. Selling my property 2nd property and retiring from being that town’s tax hostage to pay for gynocentric liberal feminist teacher’s unions that are WAY THE F~~~ OVERPAID!

Just like when I became spontaneous MGTOW and saw the viable threat women were to my life, I now see the government in the exact same light, and just like then I’m making my moves without any hesitation or doubt in my mind whatsoever. I’m walking around with the shotgun of decision and blasting (once again) all the bulls~~~ from my life.

Big Boss wrote:

Men need to be like lions, able to defend themselves from nature or predators. Only kittens get declawed. Arm up and be king of your realm.

Big Boss, men now more than ever must self militarize and learn hand to hand combat and weaponry, especially GUNS!

Stargazer wrote:

But allow me, if you will, to offer this advice to the would-be post collapse survivalists: Go now.

Doc, I’m not seeking survival skills, I’m being steadily driven into them as markets fluctuate from all the bubbles created by crony capitalists. They’ve turned this economy into one big agitator that runs back and forth using us as financial pump and dumps to fuel the corruption and destroy all upward mobility, we become slaves running on their communist treadmill.

Stargazer wrote:

I happen to agree with the premise of OP’s linked video and I’m not sorry if my disagreement with the “let it burn” world view makes you uncomfortable nor am I sorry for caring about something even though it’s apparently unfashionable to do so.

Doc, it’s burning as we speak, lets just say “let it burn out” how much destruction and decay is not up to us, take your arguments of hope and revival over to the other camp where they’re bent on obliterating a once stable and prosperous society.

The argument that it’s somehow my duty to cling to the flaming infrastructure while they pour fuel on it is absurd.
It’s burning and can’t be stopped until the fire consumes the arsonist.

[Anonymous 17]

The US, China and Europe are all in big trouble I think, and they make up maybe 80% of the world economy. I am not advocating a dictatorship but that is the only way I can imagine that a “reset” would happen.

[DauntlessParticipant 403]

Stargazer wrote:

Why do any of us here care about anything any other of us thinks or says? Are we just here to have our own viewpoints reinforced by others so we can feel justified in them? I didn’t come here to join a support group. I came here to challenge and be challenged.

I happen to agree with the premise of OP’s linked video and I’m not sorry if my disagreement with the “let it burn” world view makes you uncomfortable nor am I sorry for caring about something even though it’s apparently unfashionable to do so.

That’s fair enough. I wasn’t directly disagreeing or agreeing with your viewpoint, nor was I implying it was “unfashionable”. As I said, I don’t want society to collapse any more than you do. I’ve had my personal biases and viewpoints of the world challenged many times here. You can humor an idea without accepting it.

I’m in no way trying to say we should just be an echo-chamber filled with pretentious feel-good fluff. I’m pretty confident in saying that’s not why ANY of us are here. I just find your comments a bit.. odd. They seem like the stereotypical “MAN UP!” bulls~~~ you hear everytime from feminists and manginas etc.

It’s not my goddamned job as a man to fix the world. Nor is it yours, or anyone else’s, but if that’s what you want to do, go ahead. More power to you. It’s just not for me. I’m way past that s~~~.

"To live is to suffer; to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering." - Friedrich Nietzsche

[Shattered SoldierParticipant 60]

Yeah, I don’t like to fight. Doesn’t mean that I won’t. I just don’t like to.

Why? Because I never hold enough fury to randomly wish to cause harm or even spar with another human being. Also, when i’m pushed into a corner i become an animal that follows no sense of honor or shame. Teeth? Sharp objects? Fingernails? Testicle ripping? Total and utter annihilation of my opponent? You betcha!

And that’s why I don’t like fighting in a CIVILIZED world. The consequences outweigh the rewards.

'Pretty women make us buy beer. Ugly women make us drink it.' -Al Bundy

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Anyway, if western civilization does collapse, we all know who will be sucking dick for tins of cat food.

Just like they banged the germans.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[experiencedParticipant]

Mango Ingaway wrote:

Anyway, if western civilization does collapse, we all know who will be sucking dick for tins of cat food.

Oh Come on! Don’t mince your words, tell it like it is!!
2 thumbs up!

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Shattered Soldier wrote:

I don’t like fighting in a CIVILIZED world. The consequences outweigh the rewards.

Yes. This holds true more than you think.

Civilization comes with the ‘burden’ of the need to co-operate. Yes, I say burden because sometimes you would be forced into situations where you’d need to make a pact with the enemy.

Imagine this: MGTOWer is stuck on an island and feminists are stuck on another. There is a small road that links both the islands but both parties set up a perimeter so that neither can enter the other’s territory.

Both the islands have limited food supply, MGTOWer has less because feminists can eat each other if theirs run out.

Another twist: MGTOWer’s island haas all the wood that he can use to build a ship and sail towards his freedom. But he don’t have masts and rope.. which ARE on the other island with the feminists.

Our friend has two choices:

1) Risk his life, breach the perimeter, kill ’em femzis with his .303, pillage those ropes, build a ship and sail away.

Success rate: 10% because he is vastly outnumbered, like 20 to 1, and I give him the edge by saying the femzis don’t have guns, but they got claws and teeth.. and given the chance they could rip him apart and roast him for dinner. And the food supply is NOT adequate that he could survive long enough to cut up all that wood… build a ship and set sail. There a huge chance he’d die, either in combat or hunger.

2) Negotiate an agreement with the femzis, “you give me rope, I reserve space for you people in my ship” and also the added manpower will result in faster construction.

Success rate: 50% because given their differences, it might take turn for the worst; but it has an equal chance to be successful.

Which one would you choose?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

Varun wrote:

Which one would you choose?

I’d make the masts and rope with leaves and the wood from the island or die trying. I get the point you’re making, but I’d rather die of starvation than to help feminists in any way. I know once the ship were built, they’d make me walk the plank in the middle of the ocean.

So f~~~ helping feminists in anyway.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Anthony wrote:

Varun wrote:

Which one would you choose?

I’d make the masts and rope with leaves and the wood from the island or die trying. I get the point you’re making, but I’d rather die of starvation than to help feminists in any way. I know once the ship were built, they’d make me walk the plank in the middle of the ocean.

So f~~~ helping feminists in anyway.

Exactly. Our mentality is to choose the one with the least success rate. I’m not trying to offend anyone but this is how the reality looks like. Its very easy to say “I can do this. F~~~ yeah!” but its not so easy as it looks.

You guys would know better; those of you who have experienced life first-hand. You know exactly what would happen during a do-or-die situation. The situation won’t be the same.. in the race for survival, you’d lose all ability to know the friend from foe. There would be no “he’s capable, he’s not” because everyone will have to do things..whether they like it or not.. everyone will work together with a mutual goal: to survive.

In any case, what good is freedom if you don’t live long enough to enjoy it?

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

Varun wrote:

Its very easy to say “I can do this. F~~~ yeah!” but its not so easy as it looks.

Definitely. I know team work is better than nothing in a survival situation. But if I had to choose to work by myself or with a bunch of misandric Lorena Bobbitt dykes, I’d work by myself any day of the week.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Varun wrote:

2) Negotiate an agreement with the femzis, “you give me rope, I reserve space for you people in my ship” and also the added manpower will result in faster construction.

Success rate: 50% because given their differences, it might take turn for the worst; but it has an equal chance to be successful.

You really think there’s only a 50% chance the femzis will stab you in the back?

Really?

[VarunParticipant 2981]

sidecar wrote:

Varun wrote:

2) Negotiate an agreement with the femzis, “you give me rope, I reserve space for you people in my ship” and also the added manpower will result in faster construction.

Success rate: 50% because given their differences, it might take turn for the worst; but it has an equal chance to be successful.

You really think there’s only a 50% chance the femzis will stab you in the back?

Really?

50% chance of a successful backstabbing attempt. Idk the guy could be big. Although you can say 100% when it comes to whether that thought will cross their minds.

There’s 20 of us, and only one of the…him. We can take him.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[narwhalParticipant]

I side with Doc on this one. Definitely. I am not prepared to live on my own and don’t have the skills. Even if I did, I don’t think I would fair well enough on my own. Besides, I have kids and people I care about. I don’t feel like my time is well spent in preparation for a disaster on that kind of scale. I guess that’s just my version of ‘better to burn out then fade away’.

I don’t know how society can be corrected without a total collapse, but I hope that as conditions get worse, the circumstance prompt a change in direction somehow. I’m sure many think that’s just naïve, and I don’t have a great explanation.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 3]

Varun wrote:

Our friend has two choices:
1) Risk his life, breach the perimeter, kill ’em femzis with his .303, pillage those ropes, build a ship and sail away.
2) Negotiate an agreement with the femzis, “you give me rope, I reserve space for you people in my ship” and also the added manpower will result in faster construction.
Which one would you choose?

Neither are good choices. The first one is direct attack against superior numbers, the second is compromising all your resources and your future in an agreement with someone untrustworthy.

There is one thing about team work, it doesnt work unless everybody is in the same team. I have seen many examples where people are team players until they find a great opportunity to take personal credit for the work of everybody, stabbing them on the back. That kills the team. Women excel at this.

In a clear MGTOW path, MGTOWer would make his own rope! Depending on nobody except himself and his friends. Much less depending on untrustworthy, worthless … Ladies…

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Very incorrect. Prior military, veteran, infantry, and well-armed. Try to break into my house and you’ll find that I am the opposite of non-combative.

I’m also former military, and I’m quite the opposite of a non combatant only in the name of self defense. I’d rather run away than shoot or use my training but if I’m ever forced to react like castle law for exp, they’re a dead dog deader than fried chicken believe that.
Society has proven itself to be rotten to the core inside and out, I say just let it be, it’ll implode on it’s own.

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

Keymaster wrote:

I hear the word “gender” now , and it gets no attention.

• “Gender” studies.
• “Gender” issues.
• “Gender is a social construct”.
• “Gender in video games”
• “There are many genders you can identify as”.
• “Trans children in schools can use whatever bathroom of the gender they identify as”.
• “A man who identifies as a woman ,beat all women in a race. He shouldn’t be permitted to do that. “.
• “Gender in post neo-masculine feminism hetero-normative cis f~~ c~~~-walloping whoremaster where are all the real men”.

I’m really tired of hearing all that f~~~~~ry.
Let it f~~~ing BURRRRRRRRRRRRN.

I would even argue that because we have given up women we are essentially fighting. White knights don’t fight, they conform

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Varun wrote:

50% chance of a successful backstabbing attempt. Idk the guy could be big. Although you can say 100% when it comes to whether that thought will cross their minds.

Well then shouldn’t the odds of him successfully taking what he needs by force in the first scenario also be 50%? Both scenarios devolve into violence, the only difference being who initiates it.

And given that the femzis are 100% guaranteed to resort to violence to get what they want from him, isn’t he just giving up whatever tactical advantage he had up front by inviting them to do so? See in the first scenario he wouldn’t just run in, guns blazing. He’d take the time to prepare, look for weaknesses, set up exploits, and thereby raise his chance of success considerably.

So in other words, go with the third option: infiltrate femzi island. Pretend to be a good little worker femzi. Quietly and secretly build his ship while consuming their resources. Distract them from his activities by setting them against each other (really easy to do with femzis and women in general). Then, when the time is right, steal what he needs to sail away from femzi island, leaving them to collapse and starve. Chance of success: near 100%.

[Anonymous 1]

sidecar wrote:

Varun wrote:

50% chance of a successful backstabbing attempt. Idk the guy could be big. Although you can say 100% when it comes to whether that thought will cross their minds.

Well then shouldn’t the odds of him successfully taking what he needs by force in the first scenario also be 50%? Both scenarios devolve into violence, the only difference being who initiates it.

And given that the femzis are 100% guaranteed to resort to violence to get what they want from him, isn’t he just giving up whatever tactical advantage he had up front by inviting them to do so? See in the first scenario he wouldn’t just run in, guns blazing. He’d take the time to prepare, look for weaknesses, set up exploits, and thereby raise his chance of success considerably.

So in other words, go with the third option: infiltrate femzi island. Pretend to be a good little worker femzi. Quietly and secretly build his ship while consuming their resources. Distract them from his activities by setting them against each other (really easy to do with femzis and women in general). Then, when the time is right, steal what he needs to sail away from femzi island, leaving them to collapse and starve. Chance of success: near 100%.

Massive issue here. A man on his own has to sleep. You sleep, you’re effectively dead. This cannot work, even if you’re in command of automatic weapons. Just no way

Infultration could work, but its so unlikeley

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Massive issue here. A man on his own has to sleep. You sleep, you’re effectively dead.

But why would they kill you if they think you’re a good little worker drone? They wouldn’t care if you worked yourself to death for them, but killing you at night before that happens would mean they’d have to do without what they hope to get from you tomorrow.

This cannot work, even if you’re in command of automatic weapons. Just no way

Done right you wouldn’t even need to fire a shot.

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