A friendly (and rational) reminder that a collapse would be terrible for MGTOW

[VarunParticipant 2981]

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[RayBandakuParticipant 888]

I am with you, let it burn. I will continue to build my successful business and live a great life doing what I love. I am not worried, death comes to all but how we live now is most imortant. Let it burn, it’s the only way to get things come back to a perfect balance. Our world needs a major correction, it a good thing.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

Watched part of the video.
My take on it:
BURN BABY BURN!
Let the S~~~ hit the Fan!

Yeah…bad things are in store for men in such a world. But bad things are also in store for women. I for one am not going back onto the Plantation and work as a slave.

If things go Balkan (and I worked with people who lived through the s~~~ that went down in Croatia and Bosnia)…I will just move my ass onto a Sailboat and go somewhere else.

Out on the water a guy is away from most crap that would be going on on land.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Doc

Based on your question and supplied answers. I personally would have to honestly go with.

Stargazer wrote:

E) I’ll pretend I could explain it to you but in truth I have no idea what I really mean or what I expect or want to have happen to civilization or myself when I say “let it burn”.

Maybe I’ll survive, maybe I wont. However I will do my best to ensure that I survive, carrying minimum baggage along the way.
For ME, I’d be foolish to think things are not going to get nastier. I believe I am prepared for that.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

E) I’ll pretend I could explain it to you but in truth I have no idea what I really mean or what I expect or want to have happen to civilization or myself when I say “let it burn”.

On a much smaller scale, let’s say you work for a company that you realize is a “sinking ship”. You could have been one of the guys that yelled “but what about icebergs?” and the CEO/Captain says “full speed ahead” and you know he’s a f~~~ing idiot.

Anybody here been there before? I certainly have.

I appeared to care more about the future of the company than the captain himself. But the captain thought I would go down with it too.

The ship sank. I survived. They did not. One of the actual “commanding officers” was even killed in a car accident too. For real. That “sunk” it.

It was one hell of a battle, but towards the end, I was like “Yes sir. I don’t care. Whatever you say. Just give me my f~~~ing check”.

That’s what I meant by “let it burn”.
Complete and total perfect indifference.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

For me and people like me it could be terrible yes.
But most MGTOW are a lot more capable and prepared than me for them it will be fine.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

I feel the floor cracking and I dont give a damn! They can borrow my empty gas cans,just look to your right in my garage and return them when you’re finished.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

I have no doubt that a collapse scenario may be very harsh.
I rather the gynocrocy fall on its own and not take society with it but I’m not going to count on it playing out that way.

Guess I’m shooting for B or C when you get down to it. … well sort B anyway, more of a try to make it better I doubt the possibility of “making all the right choices” but striving for things to be better is reasonable.

I’m have no interest in looking to make civilization fall but the simple math of it is I’m not going to shoulder the burden of saving it to only be rewarded with my own suffering. If I can support it in a way in which I can expect reasonable rewards for doing so than sure I’ll help out, but that does not seem to be in the direct offering right now. Maybe things will change but I’m not going to delude myself about it and say it’s okay when it is not.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

No one sane wants a collapse though few are sane these days.

Want has nothing to do with it. The collapse is coming whether we want it or not.

A collapse would be much like a rogue wave. You won’t know about it until it happens.

Sort of. With rogue waves you don’t know if they’re coming at all. With the coming collapse we do. It’s already happening, and MGTOW are one of the symptoms. We might not be able to predict when the collapse will really start to bite, but we know it’s coming.

It’s best to prepare as much as possible.

Absolutely. It’s a lot easier to set yourself up for the s~~~ hitting the fan before it hits than after.

Stargazer wrote:

Let’s do this in the form of a “choose your own ending” story:

…and did nothing to prevent it

…but I did nothing to either stop it from ending or help it to end.

…acted to prevent it.

All those options assume there’s something we could actually do to prevent a collapse. If there is, I’m unaware of it.

So knowing it’s coming no matter what you do, why bother with a futile struggle against it? Isn’t that energy better spent getting ready for it?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Keymaster wrote:

That’s what I meant by “let it burn”. Complete and total perfect indifference.

Complete indifference would be indifference for your own life as well, wouldn’t it?

But we’re not talking about a failing company or a sinking ship here… we’re talking about the end of western civilization… of what is arguably the greatest nation ever to be constituted on Earth and quite possibly the end of the vast majority of the art and science that we have created up until now.

Something and someone would survive… most certainly. But it won’t be any of us. Well, maybe MGTower. But seriously, are we honestly advocating for the total destruction of western civilization just because we let the chickens take control of the hen house for a few decades?

Believe me, I am no MRA. I do not believe that advocating for true equality is a viable option. But would it not be better to cut women off, take away their right to vote and demote them to the level of dependent children before simply stepping away and letting society collapse?

Is it worth the loss of the music of Mozart, the writings of Voltaire, the Eiffel Tower, the Hoover Dam, the Empire State Building, the ISS, the Internet… is it worth letting everything men have created and built and nurtured fall to ruin just to spite women and manginas?

Surely you can not honestly believe it is.

[Anonymous 17]

Not feeding the feminist society beast and being prepared for a societal collapse is the same goal.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

sidecar wrote:

All those options assume there’s something we could actually do to prevent a collapse. If there is, I’m unaware of it.

I believe there is. Take the society we built back from the people we’ve allowed to threaten it with destruction. This is the premise of OP’s linked video which I assume you didn’t watch… that a post-collapse world will be harder on men than it is on women, just as life has ALWAYS been harder on men than it has been on women. If you’re not looking to fix the situation, you’re just looking go to back and re-do the same tragic loop all over again… for no better reason than spite, so far as I can see.

sidecar wrote:

So knowing it’s coming no matter what you do, why bother with a futile struggle against it? Isn’t that energy better spent getting ready for it?

Getting ready for what, a future where s~~~ hits the fan and all the women are dead? Or do they wake up and realize they need us big strong men to protect them and all is set right with the world again?

Do you honestly believe that human nature and the logic of hypergamy will ever change on its own, particularly if we let society fall back to 1800s levels of technology? Do you think women will learn their lesson and never again attempt to gain power over men?

If we let western civilization collapse… how then would we not simply slide back the 1800s or even the 1500s and stay there and not find ourselves right back here in a few hundred years? We’re going to remember and do it better next time? The archives of MGTOW.COM will serve as a living guide to perpetual truth and justice for men like in Heinlein’s _Foundation_?

I’m of the strong opinion that few if any of you have really thought about what a societal collapse would actually mean but rather you just imagine it as women getting their long overdue comeuppance. “Women are evil so f~~~ it. Let the world burn and all the works of man and of men from the dawn of time burn with it. So long as I don’t have to pay to support a woman I don’t give a s~~~ what happens to humanity.”

Indeed. If that’s the best you can think of, then burn you should and I won’t miss you.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Stargazer wrote:

Take the society we built back from the people we’ve allowed to threaten it with destruction.

And how, exactly, do you propose doing that when the existing power structures have a vested and personal interest in doing the exact things that are running civilization over the cliff?

You speak of taking the vote away from women. While that would help considerably in preventing collapse, how do you propose going about it? Do you honestly expect women to vote to have their vote taken away?

Getting ready for what, a future where s~~~ hits the fan

It’s better than not being ready when the s~~~ hits the fan.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

sidecar wrote:

The entire premise of this video is based on a false assumption.

He makes the valid point that non-combatant men get f~~~ed in armed post-government conflict. However he assumes that MGTOW are non-combatant. That’s incorrect.

MGTOW are not non-combatant. Just because they refuse to fight for someone else’s gynocentric bulls~~~ does not mean MGTOW don’t fight. MGTOW fight for themselves.

He also assumes that survivability depends entirely on access to some form of aid or assistance from an outside source, be it governmental or whatever. Well that is true for disposable blue pill non-combatants, but then blue pill fools get f~~~ed over no matter what. It doesn’t apply to MGTOW who refuse to be disposed of. MGTOW aid themselves.

Take the example of a sinking ship. Survivability on a sinking ship depends highly on access to aid and evacuation in the form of a limited number of lifeboats. Now in the past men suffered greatly in these scenarios thanks to the gynocentric rule of “ladies first”. A hell of a lot of men died when the Titanic went down thanks to their belief in that rule. But that rule only works as long as men abide by it. MGTOW don’t. And as the Costa Concordia sinking showed, neither do most men these days. Are you going to willingly go down with the ship just to let some feminist “all men are rapists” bitch have your seat on the lifeboat?

Didn’t think so.

That was then. MGTOW are now.

Nailed it.
Just because we won’t save their asses for free doesn’t mean we can’t save ours.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Let’s imagine that we’re alive in a previous life having this discussion a little in advance of the Spanish Inquisition, or the French Revolution, or the German Holocaust, or the Titanic sinking, or some other mass homicide…but we have the benefit of knowing what we know now. Let’s also imagine that like now, we were the disposable slaves of the then current status quo. We don’t have the rights to our own money, property, children, safety, freedom… much like now. Since this is an imaginary situation, we can imagine our circumstances however we choose. How do you imagine your circumstances in such a way as to best optimize your chances?

Single or married? A single man may be a target, but so is a married man. If cornered, a single man need only defend himself.

Fight or flight? A single man who chooses to fight must only fight to defend himself. A single man who chooses to flee travels much faster, lighter and more efficiently.

Try to stop it or let it happen? This is not even a realistic decision. Once fascism has enough inertia to be visible, it’s far too late for one person to stop. In a functioning society, an insane individual is placed by society into some kind of isolation so as to minimize the harm he/she causes to the sane members. The expectations of that insane person do not drive what happens. When there is mass insanity, particularly when it’s homicidal mass insanity, the smartest thing to do for a sane member is to disregard the expectations of the insane masses and isolate himself. Fascism is just mass insanity and all those historic mass deaths above were just mass homicides that result from it. We know now that every individual who tried to oppose the nazis, or the inquisitors, or the revolution ended up being identified and killed by them.

I agree with Fenderson that the losses of art and technology in these upheavals are horrible and enormous. But I don’t need those things to survive. I will not sacrifice my own life in a hopeless attempt to meet the expectations of a failing, insane society that never cared about me even when it functioned.

I am a direct descendant of a man in my family many generations back who fled one of those historical mass homicides as a single teenager alone. He looked around at the prevailing conditions, saw it coming a few years in advance, and very quietly made a determined decision to isolate himself all the way to another continent. He was poor, single, male, adult (for the time) and therefore disposable. He might not have been prepared to bail at the moment he saw it coming, but he saw it coming far enough in advance to prepare and execute a plan. It is very unlikely that his society even noticed his exit. His exit was extraordinarily dangerous for him at the time. But because of those prevailing conditions, beyond his own life, he had little to lose. Everything else had already been taken from him.

He went mgtow a couple centuries ago. His society went insane and collapsed in his rear view mirror. He found another, better one and survived quite well. The video states that a societal collapse is bad for mgtow. I wouldn’t disagree. It’s bad for everyone. I would only qualify it by noting that a societal collapse is worst for those who stick around for it. And among those who do stick around, it’s worst for those men who think that any official or government source is going to help them… just as it is now.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Anonymous 42]

Hey Doc, “LTMFB” is the reality of the situation.

We’re looking at social conditions being 10% humidity, 35mph steady wind gusting to 50, and were living in feminism’s pampered forest where logging the timber of iniquity has been banned for more than a century! Look how many men have been burned alive by the system!
They’ve turned the fire pumps into flamethrowers in their feeble efforts to “control the fire” the fire they started!

Whatever happens, happens. They’ve been warned of the dangers yet continue to boldly and arrogantly fan the flames.

MGTOW to me? My definition? It means go to the shoreline, salvage a bunch of trees, build a seaworthy raft so you can escape the flames.

It’s only natural for the thinking man to run like the animals away from the flames. Let stupid motherf~~~ers perish in the flames!

Life on a raft beats dying in the flames!

[Ash NrahkParticipant 199]

X-Mil and a bit of a prepper so think I stand at least a fighting chance. Either way will give it a good go.

[Anonymous 17]

I went from a luxury lifestyle in the matrix to developing a selfsufficient lifestyle cosuming almost nothing. My life is much more confortable and rewarding now.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anthony wrote:

Doc Fenderson wrote:

A) Civilization as we know it comes to an end and I predicted it and did nothing to prevent it… in fact I looked forward to the it ending and me ending with it.

I have a lot of survivalist skills. I definitely won’t end when civilization ends. I’ll be a king on the mountain top because people everywhere will be looking for people with my skills.

Society as a whole is f~~~ed up beyond repair. I don’t give a s~~~ if it burns to the ground.

You have no idea the toxins in the foods like GMO, vaccines sodium phosphate injected into meats, MSG, cell phone radiation that can cause cancer and that’s just the beginning.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

The collapse is coming. Let’s get it over with.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

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