Sunday Dinner

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Couple of old sayings that bounce around in my head…

“If you tell everyone your business you won’t have any.”

“Loose lips sink ships.”

“Well, I could certainly be “gay” long enough for YOU to blow me”.    (I just added that one.)

 

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

The thing that occurs to me is that if Jim is of a comparable age to your mother, is this his first marriage?

Jim is a little older than mom, and his first wife died about 8 or 9 years ago, my father passed in feb 07.

If not then how did he get out of his last marriage and keep his ranch or does his ex wife still own a piece?

He was in the process of retiring and building the ranch when he and my mom got together….

Going your own way does not mean that anyone is going with you.  Either in agreement or in journey.

I understand that sir, I was just hoping for a more positive response is all…

 

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Great responses my brothers, a lot of great information to mull around on. I have to say though Keymaster seems to be right on everytime! Glad we have you around to brainstorm with sir, you are a pool of great knowledge, we appreciate you!

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Anonymous 0]

I think the younger guys are going to get some push-back when they try to talk about MGTOW. There’s a potential that lots of people won’t like MGTOW:
–Parents: They want grandkids
–Feminists: They don’t like men who don’t like women
–College environment: Academia tends to be strongly PC (and MGTOW presumably isn’t)
–Married people: They’re invested in the institution of marriage and don’t want to hear about alternatives.

For an old retiree like me with two divorces under my belt, no one is going to really care if I say I’m not getting married again. I’ve put in my time and paid my dues. I can even say that I’ve been posting on MGTOW or MRM sites, and no one is going to blink an eye.

But when it comes to younger men, society can have pretty strong opinions about how those younger men are supposed to live. In fact, it’s one more double standard: Women are congratulated on choosing a non-traditional path; but men are expected to go the breadwinner route and there’s really no decent alternative for them.

If you *do* want to have that debate with others and challenge their assumption that they should be able to define *your* life, then there are plenty of good arguments to bring up. But do remember that you may get a lot of push-back.

If you want to test the water, you can always say that you’ve been checking out some MGTOW/MRM websites in terms of learning about a new social trend in the US, especially given how much the Herbivore situation has taken hold in Japan and all that. Then if you start catching flack, you can always say that it’s just curiosity about a new social trend and nothing more that that. And you won’t be wrong. It’s just the Internet. It’s not like you had to join anything or take an oath. It’s just an openness to new ideas.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

I’d buy it and get a VERY good read out of it.

I’d leave printed copies around in public places like those crazy John Chick Tracts.

Anonymous wrote:

–Parents: They want grandkids

S~~~ty wanna-be single mothers these days take children away from grandparents even easier than they take them away from fathers.

–Feminists: They don’t like men who don’t like women

F~~~ ’em. Who cares what feminists like? Also MGTOW don’t dislike women. MGTOW dislike what women do and the laws that let them do it. There is a difference. Feminists don’t like men who don’t like letting women get away with it.

–College environment: Academia tends to be strongly PC (and MGTOW presumably isn’t)

Academia tends to be strongly feminist. See above. Also if you’re in college and aren’t in one of the actually useful fields like something STEM, which are heavily male dominated (for now), what the f~~~ are you doing wasting time in college anyway?

–Married people: They’re invested in the institution of marriage and don’t want to hear about alternatives.

Wives certainly. But I tend to think most hustbands can be converted (if they aren’t already) so long as wifey doesn’t find out.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

OP,

I understand where you are coming from. Your intention was to be transparent, share your life with your family, and have them understand where you are coming from. Being honest with your FAMILY: whats more NATURAL than that?

Now days, I find more and more people adjusting to the notion that in “todays society” marriage isnt all its cracked up to be, Every, single one of my cousins have been divorced. Im not sure where most of you live, but I live downtown in a major city, and most guys in their 30’s now even say “half of all marriages end in divorce. Why would I want that?”

When it comes to your parents, if you want to be honest with them, I would demonstrate the difference between your generation and theirs. Times are simply not the same and there is no denying that.

Resident cynic.

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Ancientwisdom – You understand what I was getting at totally sir. Certainly appreciate that. Yes I am very honest with my mother, I am 41 years old and my mother and I went through a very, very difficult period of time with my father. Needless to say, for a long time in my life, my mother and I were all we had in this world, and that relationship has always been very strong because of it. Whenever I make a significant change or take a significant path, (like MGTOW) I always share that with her, talk about it, get feedback, etc. I am a very honest man, but this was a bad decision none the less. Just one of those things she and Jim need not know. As it was said earlier, only if a discussion comes my way on “why aren’t you dating, or going out, blah, blah blah…” But unless that happens hell with it, they come from a generation that has no idea what is going on out there today in family court, bedroom, or the dating scene, etc, etc…And if they did by some mistake even hear what is going on, they would not believe it, not without seeing it with their own eyes, just so disturbing they wouldn’t believe you….

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[BufordParticipant 935]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

When it comes to your parents, if you want to be honest with them, I would demonstrate the difference between your generation and theirs. Times are simply not the same and there is no denying that.

I used to say to my late father when we had discussions and arguments, that he grew up in hard world, I’ve grown up in a sick one.

As for Keymasters’ manual – we could go around hotels/motels putting them in drawers next to the Gideon.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Buford wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

When it comes to your parents, if you want to be honest with them, I would demonstrate the difference between your generation and theirs. Times are simply not the same and there is no denying that.

I used to say to my late father when we had discussions and arguments, that he grew up in hard world, I’ve grown up in a sick one.

As for Keymasters’ manual – we could go around hotels/motels putting them in drawers next to the Gideon.

The hard/sick world. What a great quote. Im stealing it lol!

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Jerimiah,

I completely identify with you. If one cant be honest, and share his own life with his own family, then what is the point really. This is one aspect of liars that I have never understood: you have to LIE to others to make yourself feel/look better? If I LIED in that manner, I would instantly think “is my life SO s~~~ty that I have to LIE to others to make me feel good?” It would make me feel s~~~tier about my own life.

End Tangent.

With the honesty does come pushback from family. I dont even initiate the subject with family, but they ask. My sister: arent you going to get MARRIED? I want my kids to play with your kids. My grandmother: “well, have a girlfriend YET?” Shes a sweet lady, but her voice is dripping with irony in asking the question.

This isnt an easy, simple world. Times have changed. A “gf”, a “wife”? I cant tell you how many married lying bitches I have met.

Resident cynic.

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