Sunday Dinner

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

So I have Sunday dinner with my mother and her husband, of just over a year, every weekend that they are in town. This last Sunday in the middle of dinner I bring up I joined a group online called MGTOW. I gave a brief explanation, and now that I think about it, wish I had just not. Her new husband is a great man, his name is Jim, and he is a hard core old fashioned cowboy. He has an enormous ranch and horses, the whole bit. I love the man, he is great to my mom, and he is miles and miles better than my own father. Anyway, he got a real ugly face, and said that he didn’t agree with the choice at all. He understood I should be a little upset and maybe gun shy, but he said this was ridiculous. My mother pretty much followed suit. I felt about 2 inches high, I really expected them to understand, and that they would be happy, I guess I was really wrong about that.

Has anyone else had a rough time talking about MGTOW to their family? Share you story please…

It has not changed my mind at all, just wish they could understand and be on board….

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I can’t say that I have encountered this issue.  I introduced my brother to MGTOW, after his second marriage, by demonstrating the basic female need for a woman to tie herself to a man to be provisioned so that she can procreate at the expense of a man.

The thing that occurs to me is that if Jim is of a comparable age to your mother, is this his first marriage?

If not then how did he get out of his last marriage and keep his ranch or does his ex wife still own a piece?

It sounds like Jim could be an old fashioned traditionalist.  If true, then getting him to change his mind, let alone accepting your choice, would be tantamount to telling him that horses are for eating and cows are for riding.

Going your own way does not mean that anyone is going with you.  Either in agreement or in journey.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I say it is ok if you follow the first rule of Fight Club and apply it to MGTOW.  MGTOW is better lived than discussed.  You may think about a best way to describe it to others, so you don’t get in an ackward position.  You could give the NAWALT answer of you are waiting for the perfect woman to come along, and also mention you are working on yourself now, if asked if you are seeing anyone.  It is hard to expect most people to get going MGTOW, because it is seen as weird.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

Going your own way does not mean that anyone is going with you.  Either in agreement or in journey.

I agree.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Each time I’ve been asked about, “when are you getting yourself a wife and kids?”, I tell them the usual, “not interested in marriage, maybe some years in the future”, this has been my line for the last several years.

 

I’ve tried once to go in context with it, and no one should ever do this, because if it doesn’t suit their paradigm, they will make weird excuses, like something is wrong with you, I remember one a year or two, where it went like something, “I needed a woman, so I could be kept in check”, I literally laughed at that, and said “no thanks, I like living my life, how I see fit”.

So never really talk about MGTOW with family, they probably won’t understand it, nor do they want to, since it’s probably against their current world view, which they have been crushed by, and seeing someone avoiding their misery, will make them rattle those chains with fury.

[Anonymous 1]

I don’t share the mgtow acronym with anybody, even my parents, for those reasons. I do, however, speak about some mgtow concepts, at least the ones that my parents will notice eventually, like not marrying… ever. I told my mother about the whole HELL that is divorce here in Canada, about women’s mentality of f~~~ing everything and then settling with a provider… all that crap. She didn’t gave me a hard time at all. She just said: “things are really different now, on my time it wasn’t like that”.

And although she is no NAWALT, at least she has SOME sense. She doesn’t treat my father as s~~~ty, and she showed him a lot of empathy in the past. Although I can recognize when she tries to pull the leash on him. Of course, can’t call it out or my father will take her side. She tried the same thing with me (both of them tried, to be honest) and I happen to see through. Guilt is not effective with me as they wished (or expected) and ironically, sometimes it has the opposite effect that they desire.

Nevertheless, although I can see them trying to make me follow the “tradcon way”, it is really subtle and can be easily ignored. You know, the old “you will find someone, someday” and all that talk. I don’t understand though, why would I want someone that is: a) all used up after riding the c~~~ carousel for not other reason then “because she could”. b) will be with me probably ONLY for my money and therefore c) will not only leave me if this means she can have my possessions, but most likely will basically drive me to near suicide for no other reason then: because she can.

I don’t know, but I value my life a little bit higher then this.

Anyway, sorry to hear what happened to you and your family. But different people, have different backgrounds and therefore different outlooks on life, and that is not necessary a bad thing. When common sense is not one of those outlooks and they try to enforce THEIR views on YOUR life that’s when s~~~ happens.

Good luck you.

🙂

[22DeeboiParticipant 259]

Yes, I have to my younger brothers and they don’t agree because how my mother basically engraved in them to be white knights. Always cater and sacrifice everything and get little in return. They have yet to see the light. They’ll have to learn the hard way

[KeymasterKeymaster]

When it comes to MGTOW it’s better to internalize it.

Meaning…. if you have special insight into something, have a power like seeing through clothing, or reading minds…. would you tell anyone? Or keep it to yourself. I remember my moment of clarity and when I REALLY started to see the translations that came out of a woman’s mouth when she opened it. She would say one thing and – and like Neo decoded the Matrix – I was able to know what the f~~~ was going on, and what she was really saying. It just didn’t work on me anymore. It was x-ray vision.

But I would never tell her this. I would just smile, nod, and drop the right bomb at the right moment.

PUBLICLY – or over dinner – all I had to do when the subject of “marriage” came up was mention no interest in signing “the CONTRACT”. Mentioning “the marriage contract” completely de-romanticizes it and every one knows what you’re talking about. It instantly strips away images of the wedding, the cake, the silly emotional masturbation ritual, the flowers, the gifts, the ring, the dress… and shatters all of their illusions. Just by mentioning zero willingness in signing the contract, the table goes completely quiet.

No need to talk about or explain “MGTOW”. No “online men’s group”. No explaining it (or yourself) required . Just “Oh, I will would never sign a marriage contract with a woman who hates me enough to actually let me go through with it”…. and you can just sit back and watch the mushroom cloud over the table.

They are on on a need-to-know basis….. and they don’t need to know.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Like Keymaster said, internalizing it is always best.  Living the lifestyle without saying it is definitely best.  If people ask if you’re “gay” or something, just tell them you’re not and drop it at that.  Leave them in mystery.  “He’s not gay, but he doesn’t want to be married…HUH?”  It’s funny to see how confused people get over that notion.

[Anonymous 18]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

The thing that occurs to me is that if Jim is of a comparable age to your mother, is this his first marriage? If not then how did he get out of his last marriage and keep his ranch or does his ex wife still own a piece?

Yes, do share. I am interested in knowing about Jim’s wisdom as well.

Keymaster wrote:

When it comes to MGTOW it’s better to internalize it.

It has sorts of exponential growth if reasoned only with yourself. It keeps the pollution out. Gives a mental clarity. Ever asked for help on an upcoming exam/assignment from a dumbf~~~ who was too embarassed to admit s/he knows no better? Yea, that’s what explaining blue pillers/women what MGTOW is about like. You will see them shooting their own foot. They will see you as weird/loser. No win situation.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

The only time police do not lie is when they read one’s Miranda rights.  Among them is the right to be silent, because “anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

One must guard one’s words, and not only must one not say things that may harm one’s business, but also abstain from saying things that cannot help it.  With the exception of very limited circumstances, there is nothing one can gain from going on record as being a MGTOW.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The quote I remind myself of – almost on a DAILY basis – is direct from the Godfather:

“Never tell anybody outside the family what you’re thinking again”.

Since “family” these days can treat you like an outsider on this topic – even when you’re SENSIBLE – I would apply the same thing here.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

If people ask if you’re “gay” or something

I have a stock response for that: “Well, I could certainly be “gay” long enough for YOU to blow me”.

It’s all yours. Enjoy.

Governor Megachris% wrote:

…just tell them you’re not and drop it at that.

I wouldn’t deny it. Just leave them wondering.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Keymaster wrote:

I have a stock response for that: “Well, I could certainly be “gay” long enough for YOU to blow me”. It’s all yours. Enjoy.

I think this calls for a topic on “stock responses” to use.  I love that way too much.  It could be similar to the comebacks on that page regarding “feminist shaming tactics.”

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I actually wrote a multi-page MAN-ual about 2 years ago on “how to argue with a woman and win”. Just pages filled with easy f~~~-yous to shut any bitch up on the spot. Treat that s~~~ like a puck and how to be world’s best goalie to deflect her s~~~ty cheap shots. Like the “you probably have a tiny penis” accusation.

RESPONSE: “No matter how *tiny* you THINK a man’s penis is…. honey, it’s ALWAYS going to be bigger than YOURS”.

Get’s ’em every time.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35860]

Jeremiah Johnson wrote:

Anyway, he got a real ugly face, and said that he didn’t agree with the choice at all. He understood I should be a little upset and maybe gun shy, but he said this was ridiculous. My mother pretty much followed suit. I felt about 2 inches high, I really expected them to understand, and that they would be happy, I guess I was really wrong about that.

I think your mistake was in letting the discussion be about you. About your plans.

It’s not about you. Don’t ever let them think that it is. If someone asks you why you aren’t taking a big bite out of a turd sandwich, is the problem you, or is it the sandwich? When asked: “Why aren’t you married?” respond with questions referring to the situation men find themselves in today: “Have you SEEN the women of my generation? Have you seen what’s available for me? I love you, mom, and you’re a great guy, Jim, but I don’t think you realize just how bad things have gotten since you were my age.”

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I say it is ok if you follow the first rule of Fight Club and apply it to MGTOW.

Meanwhile I’m looking into having some MGTOW patches made for my motorcycle jackets. I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with broadcasting MGTOW. It’s all a matter of how you present it.

[kizellParticipant 368]

I sympathize with your dilemma. I think something good to point out would be that we are doing something radical in terms of societal norms.  The idea that anyone,  especially family, would understand is not realistic this early in the proceedings.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Keymaster wrote:

I actually wrote a multi-page MAN-ual about 2 years ago on “how to argue with a woman and win”. Just pages filled with easy f~~~-yous to shut any bitch up on the spot. Treat that s~~~ like a puck and how to be world’s best goalie to deflect her s~~~ty cheap shots.

Is it posted anywhere or is it for personal use only? I would love to read it, and I bet many others here too
If you published it – I’d totally buy it

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Russky wrote:

Is it posted anywhere or is it for personal use only? I would love to read it, and I bet many others here too If you published it – I’d totally buy it

I’d buy it and get a VERY good read out of it.

[DilbertParticipant 281]

Russky wrote:

KeyMaster wrote:

I actually wrote a multi-page MAN-ual about 2 years ago on “how to argue with a woman and win”. Just pages filled with easy f~~~-yous to shut any bitch up on the spot. Treat that s~~~ like a puck and how to be world’s best goalie to deflect her s~~~ty cheap shots.

Is it posted anywhere or is it for personal use only? I would love to read it, and I bet many others here too If you published it – I’d totally buy it

I’ll second this!

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

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