Story Time: The Game is deep and what pick up taught me

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

Romulus replied to a post I wrote about me witnessing hypergamy in my early PUA days…I’ll leave the link here for anyone interested…/forums/topic/story-time-on-hypergamy-and-female-nature/#post-719703….

It got me thinking why I decided to get into being a PUA. Part of it was pure desperation. The rest of it was sheer ignorance, narcissism, selfishness…I could go on lol. When you’re in your early twenties fresh out of college and you’re getting ignored by the opposite gender even though society is saying that you’re doing all the right things, you start to doubt. And that doubt leads to doing a lot of crazy s~~~. You could say that PUA was all men had to go on back in 2004. To even consider going MGTOW was not an option. Going mgtow to almost every man back then meant that you’d given up, thrown in the towel. You’d said goodbye to civilization as we know it. Being a PUA to me meant that I was going to try my hardest to understand female attraction.

Btw, this is by no means an advertisement on anything. I have to admit that writing this out has to be some of the best mental therapy I’ve had in the last couple of days. Getting this s~~~ off my chest etc. I fell into some dark years after my last relationship. Made tons of changes, from my diet to my friendships….I used to write every day and stopped all together for years, but now I find myself getting out of bed to pen this s~~~ up. And that’s good enough for me.

This all started my Junior year of college. School was a joke, I’d basically majored in a liberal art….used to be a Math Major but upon entering school and finding all my classmates to be Chinese with broken english who seemed to know everything by heart, I changed over to Film/Radio. If you don’t know how to Study and discipline yourself to learn how to sit for many hours a day to learn new material you will fail out of a science heavy major (STEM etc.). By my junior year I was p~~~ing away my time hanging out with friends, partying, hitting the gym more than studying and eating garbage etc. I stopped buying books for all my classes because by then I saw how they were ripping off every young kid coming into college. I didn’t have mommy and daddy’s money so they got me to take out student loans. If you think the underground drug game is an evil racket, you haven’t researched what goes on with student loans (At least mobsters aren’t passive aggressive about things).

My major was a joke so this gave me a lot of time to think about what every young kid thinks about. Pussy, and how to go about getting it. From what I could tell only frat guys and athletes had access to “quality” women (lol, god I was so blue pill back then). I obsessed over trying to crack this code. College had indoctrinated me to see money and the military as evil (by the time I graduated, I felt like everything should be free and no one should have to work hard for anything…my college was ultra communist now that I think about it). I was angry and naive and full of cum. Through a miracle (not really, this bitch sought me out, planned the whole thing because that’s how cunning women are) I meet this girl at a party junior year (we both lived walking distance to each other’s place near campus) and she starts coming by. The first couple of weeks are golden. Sex is good….but after two or three months she starts to act bi-polar. I guess, her smoking cigarettes and always stressing/complaining about having to meet school deadlines (she was some arts major) should have been dead giveaways, but when you’re always thinking about pussy, you don’t really think that far ahead.

She starts withholding sex using these crazy excuses, from not having enough time to being too tired and I actually confront her and say something like “I want sex when I want it”, probably the only masculine thing I said the entire relationship. Had I stuck to my guns she probably would have capitulated, but that would have meant me getting up and walking out and not calling or texting her for the next couple of days and being ready to never speak to her again if she didn’t give me what I wanted. But I didn’t do any of that, and she pretty much called my bluff minutes later. The relationship died out weeks later. I had a hunch she’d been sleeping with a neighbor of hers (really cool nice guy who was always around, and they both loved to drink) but we weren’t together that long for me to consider him a threat lol.

The very night I told her it was over on the phone (she’d tried to get me come over one more time, to have sex) I went over to my crappy Dell Computer and googled something like “how to get girls”. I had hit rock bottom and was p~~~ed that I didn’t understand females. David D’Angelo’s stuff came up. I signed up for his newsletter and we were off to the races. Limewire and Shazam were alive and kicking back then so I started downloading all his video series and studying them behind closed doors. No one knew I was doing this. This was my little secret and I loved every minute of it. I felt I had a purpose now. It wasn’t to get an actual job or learn a real trade. It was to learn how to game and seduce women with nothing but the shirt on my back. I was obsessed with trying to find a woman who would appreciate and love me for me. Not because I had money (which I did not), or had good looks, but for me. D’Angelo was great at explaining the mental aspects of the game, but reading The Game was made me start getting out of the house into the field to test all this s~~~ out. This would be one of the very reasons why I’d end up moving to NYC btw (All because I wanted to be in an environment to interact with LOTS of women).

One thing that Pick up material tries to instill into everyone starting out is that “it’s always on.” That every woman can be cracked. But the material doesn’t dare mention things based on reality. The world is yours and it’s up to you whether or not you want to allow things like female nature to f~~~ everything up. The Game is literally based on being optimistic almost to point of being in a cult. You have to believe or it’s always your fault. Everything that goes wrong is on you. I took that sort of extreme ownership of the game to heart and never deviated from it. Here’s how gung-ho I was bagging these bitches: I didn’t learn the word “hypergamy” until finding the Mgtow community. That one word would have saved me countless hours right there. But you don’t have time to focus on the gynocentric world that surrounds us. Guys are too busy figuring out new techniques on how to get around all this hypergamy stuff. We understand the “lover” vs the “provider” but that’s as far as it goes.

If you get married and then divorced raped, that’s on you. PUA’s don’t care about that. David D’Angelo was a genius, and I understand why he’s a millionaire, because from the very get go he puts in caps that he doesn’t do relationships. He only does attraction based material. It’s the most genius disclaimer ever, and it places any and all blame on the customer if anything goes wrong. “You’ll get what you want, but you’ll never want it again” became a term that kept ringing true as I went about doing this PUA s~~~.
It’s funny, if you look at David D’s new stuff circa 2007 (I haven’t followed what he’s up to today), it’s literally him sitting men down to talk about all their childhood issues. The guy’s literally a shrink, but him doing that basically proved that all this PUA stuff is a sham. Because every guy on that program was basically attracting women today based on things that happened to them growing up. Having an absent father, or psycho mother, being hit as a kid, or ignored by your parents etc etc etc….all that s~~~ effects what you’re attracting down the line.

So I immersed myself in everything I could find. My favorites were Real Social Dynamics, Mystery Method, Annihilation method, and everything and anything else under the sun…I won’t go into why I liked each method and what I used each one for (different scenarios) but they all had their uses. It got so nerdy that guys in the pick up forums would chastise anyone who didn’t ONLY use their method. The RSD guys were notorious for trolling anyone who didn’t swear allegiance to their style of pick up. In reality all these methods were basically the same, but very different in who was explaining them at the moment. I can assume the RSD forums are still very cult like in bullying men into taking one of their weekend workshops. Which brings me to why I left the PUA world all together. In short it became all about money. These guys were so slick (mainly the RSD guys, but everyone was trying to do what they were doing) that they would try and guilt any newbie for never having taken a “bootcamp”, and bootcamps around that time cost over 2,000 for a weekend, or 4000.00 for a week….and guys were paying it.

The forum I posted in at the time had been all about doing all this s~~~ for free. Especially when you’re in New York City, there’s millions of women every where, so paying for a bootcamp was just retarded IMO, especially when all the material was available to test on your own time for free (even back then, guys were sharing hardrives full of pick up material….I had thousands of hours and books at my disposal…). Books like “the Manipulated man”, “influence”, “48 laws of power”, “the red queen” and other books I can’t remember at the moment. For all it’s faults I will admit that the pick up community got me to do research, to read, to never stop educating myself, because regular school had all but turned off any motivation I had to learn (I’m at least grateful for that).

So for the first two years the forum I was posting on had been about sharing all this material and helping guys go out, all for free. But all good things come to an end and eventually guys who had come up in ranks to be “master Pua’s” in our forum started to flood it the with their “you guys need to take my new upcoming bootcamp…for only 700.00 blah blah blah….”

I was probably the only one who spoke out against this s~~~. Everyone else either stayed quiet or stayed out of it. But most guys kept saying “what’s the harm in allowing it.” So I left and never looked back.
Thinking about it now, I get why these guys would want to try and make some sort of money off of this being that they’re spending so much time and energy on it. I just felt that allowing money to be a part of this would ruin any motivation on why you went out. I can only assume spending 2k plus for a bootcamp will make guys really angry if they don’t get some sort of results on some “better get laid tonight” bulls~~~.

A PUA’s downfall will always be that he views women as a device that you push buttons on to do/get what you want out of them. A PUA thinks he’s the one in charge, but in actuality you’re the one who’s reacting everything they’re doing. The leesh is around your neck and when she says “jump” you jump and give yourself the reasoning to get a positive reaction out of her/them. A PUA thinks that he can fix what ever she’s throwing at him at the moment. Stepping away from all of it years later, I realize that all women are basically 12 year olds, only their bodies keep aging, which is why all this pua material continues to work on them. We were basically guys who would walk into a room and say “look at the shiny thing….” and see who would go for the bait. Some women weren’t about it, so we ignored them and went for the ones that were into paying attention to our “pick up routine.” Which is why it’s literally impossible to measure this. Some chicks will be on the rag, and some might be p~~~ed off at their boyfriend, or ovulating. Either way, we tried to use all that to our advantage. Whether they were happy or sad, use it to your advantage lol.

Almost every guy I know from the old PUA days that got into a relationship or married is simping as we speak. After all, that was always the end game for PUA’s. To be like Rollo Tomasi and find that perfect woman for an LTR. Only it was all a sham, a ruse. It’s bulls~~~. Because if you have to keep “gaming” your woman so that she’s constantly into you, then it basically means that she’s always had all the power. And we all know that unilateral agreements never work (not even in business). I always wondered why I’d see guys posting on facebook of the new chick they got with, but once they got serious or married to them, they’d disappear. Now that I’m mgtow, I realize that it was their woman isolating them from all their friends and putting them to work like a mule on the plantation…all for her and her offspring. Because that’s how they see it. It’s always their kid and you’re expendable. Just look at all the divorces and how they use the kid to get more alimony out of the man. Most guys who end up getting custody of the children is because the female has no interest in wanting to deal with the kid (but she still gets to decided…and leaving a 12 year old minded c~~~ to decide the fate of a child, simply because it came out of her pussy, is bulls~~~ IMO, and another reason I applaud the artificial womb).

Being PUA will not prepare men on how to deal with women who grew up with issues, and God knows they all have issues. It’s like training for weeks for the Normandy invasion, but being told right before the doors are about to open that you have leave all your gear and weapons behind and storm the beach with nothing but your helmet. David D’Angelo realizes this now and he’s tried to correct it with his new stuff, which is basically saying that we all need to see a shrink… for ever… until we’re dead lol. Or you can just understand female nature for what it is, take heed from the stories (like Samson and Delilah) that have been told for ages, go mgtow, acquire currency and enjoy life.

Take it from a guy who’s been looking for the key to happiness. Mgtow is the answer because I doubt we’ll see women getting all their rights stripped from them in our lifetime or even our grandkid’s lifetime. So yeah, Mgtow it is 😉

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

lol mean reading about how to get laid when they could just be doing it

Don't care

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

lol mean reading about how to get laid when they could just be doing it

I really wish it was that simple. The only guys getting laid back then were either taught how to do so by a cool uncle or just won the lottery in terms of being raised in a decent area with decent family and friends. I was getting pussy in high school because I played sports but once I quit playing football and entered college I became invisible. A young kid never thinks that women are into him because he’s a jock or rich. He thinks that he’s naturally attractive and funny. We aren’t taught that women get with guys because of what they have, and what their potential may be. It always comes back to understanding hypergamy.

I had countless run ins with guys out in the field who were “naturals” but NONE of them were fat or ugly or poor. You want to learn how to pick up girls in real life? Find the fattest ugliest non tall guy who’s got women hanging on his every word. Patrice O’Neal said that, and in hindsight he’s right.

I won’t lie, my good looks helped me out A LOT when I started this PUA journey. My only problem was that I was so damn shy. You be surprised how most men see themselves. Super hot women have the same problem. Low self esteem etc. etc.

[LandmineParticipant 644]

Good read man, ya got some stories.

Gotta be honest when I was going thru my s~~~… I needed to get laid and fast!

Was amazed to find out how “ liberated” women had become as up until then being married was honorable etc.

I fell completely down the rabbit hole but an eye opener for the truth of woman. Narcissistic doesn’t cover it.

Being angry in the immediate aftermath of being forced out of my house I guess I channeled that energy somehow that it became nfg and for me the biggest positive was the Irish accent (I’m in the us). It became too easy cause for me was a numbers game. I really didn’t give a f~~~. Was all about the conquest and the realization that the less I cared (complete opposite of how I was naturally) the more success I had.

I’m not bragging here quite the opposite. I have no regrets other than 1 married chick ( she lied I met the husband and came clean) I never lied to any of them but you know for me it was like f~~~ what happened to dating to romance to serenading all that s~~~ we were fed as boys and teens.

It’s too easy to get laid these days I say, despite what I see some guys say. The pua stuff a lot of women are wise to but (hint ) if they are – go with it

I’m monk nowadays nearly 2 years. I don’t regret any of it because I know it saved my life.

I stopped because of 2 events. Firstly I was talking to these 2 women in a carpark ready to head off for a threesome. I didn’t know why but something in me said no not gonna happen. Just a gut feeling. I walked away. I still can’t explain it.

The 2nd is a fwb I had. Level headed funny all that. Wd bang go get breakfast then bang some more and I’d get my laundry done. Yep I got the feels. Dumb. Long story short her busiest day had been 5 guys in one day. She’d have entire weekends just for hook ups out at her house. Complete chameleon. Scared s~~~less about disease but nothing.

When I look back how the f~~~ there was no stds or pregnancy someone was looking out for me cause I sure as s~~~ wasn’t.

Again no bragging from me. Glad I found this site.

We are the awakened. We are MGTOW

[LandmineParticipant 644]

What you said about the good looking ones very very true. Double edged sword for them.

I’m not bad looking guess I have a Jason stat ham vibe going lol so I’ve been told. But it all starts whit having the b~~~~ to step forward and risk it nfg.

And no fat chicks ain’t grateful lol no admitting anything here lol 😂

We are the awakened. We are MGTOW

[Branched offParticipant 10975]

Thanks for that good insight into your world when you were a PUA.

To me the line to take away is “A PUA thinks he’s the one in charge, but in actuality you’re the one who’s reacting everything they’re doing. The leesh is around your neck and when she says “jump” you jump and give yourself the reasoning to get a positive reaction out of her/them.”

Maybe I was just too shy when younger to get into all that and maybe it didn’t suit my nature anyway but it is interesting to watch -guys defining their worth by their ability to perform for validation from women. I am glad I didn’t go that way now.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

Landmine wrote:

Good read man, ya got some stories.

Gotta be honest when I was going thru my s~~~… I needed to get laid and fast!

Was amazed to find out how “ liberated” women had become as up until then being married was honorable etc.

I fell completely down the rabbit hole but an eye opener for the truth of woman. Narcissistic doesn’t cover it.

Being angry in the immediate aftermath of being forced out of my house I guess I channeled that energy somehow that it became nfg and for me the biggest positive was the Irish accent (I’m in the us). It became too easy cause for me was a numbers game. I really didn’t give a f~~~. Was all about the conquest and the realization that the less I cared (complete opposite of how I was naturally) the more success I had.

I’m not bragging here quite the opposite. I have no regrets other than 1 married chick ( she lied I met the husband and came clean) I never lied to any of them but you know for me it was like f~~~ what happened to dating to romance to serenading all that s~~~ we were fed as boys and teens.

It’s too easy to get laid these days I say, despite what I see some guys say. The pua stuff a lot of women are wise to but (hint ) if they are – go with it

I’m monk nowadays nearly 2 years. I don’t regret any of it because I know it saved my life.

I stopped because of 2 events. Firstly I was talking to these 2 women in a carpark ready to head off for a threesome. I didn’t know why but something in me said no not gonna happen. Just a gut feeling. I walked away. I still can’t explain it.

The 2nd is a fwb I had. Level headed funny all that. Wd bang go get breakfast then bang some more and I’d get my laundry done. Yep I got the feels. Dumb. Long story short her busiest day had been 5 guys in one day. She’d have entire weekends just for hook ups out at her house. Complete chameleon. Scared s~~~less about disease but nothing.

When I look back how the f~~~ there was no stds or pregnancy someone was looking out for me cause I sure as s~~~ wasn’t.

Again no bragging from me. Glad I found this site.

Yeah man, I’m amazed I don’t have any STD’s either (lots of close calls though in terms of the rachetness I came across). It’s like sprinting through a mine field and not stepping on one. But then again look at our ancestors from the 60’s and 70’s. No condoms or even knowing what diseases were in terms of sex related s~~~. I’m sure women were just as cunning back then, but they didn’t dare go up against the patriarchy (which it was barely even one, but compared to today it was def more ‘slap you with a back hand if you acted out of line.”) compared to today.

I was literally doing all this because I thought it was a numbers game. Bang a ton of women and eventually find “the one.” All bulls~~~. But I needed to see it for myself. Had someone told me I wouldn’t have listened or even believed them. Now I don’t care whether or not anyone wants to take my word for it, because I get it. Some people have to see it for themselves. There’s that guy that has to try heroin and he won’t listen to anyone who says it’s evil/deadly. Some guys have to get married, and then taken to the cleaners, stripped of everything, before they can realize what a f~~~ed system they were fooled into embracing.

Women wish to the be the ones pulling the strings. That’s feminism today. They want all the control with out having to put in any of the hard work it took men to get to this point. We got here through blood sweat and tears. Women will never understand what it’s like to have to fend for yourself, or else we starve to death.

Funny how you mention that a lot of women are on to what a guy is doing when he approaches her. Most of them love it. Women love getting hit on regardless. It’s the guy’s who give zero f~~~s that are able to bust down that bitch shield. Like DDJ states, every woman is a whore, you just have to catch them on the right day. And the day they met me was the day they were going to be a slut/whore. The key to being the best PUA was to never give a f~~~. The RSD guys were notorious for trying to instruct this mindset onto their students. Things could get ugly real quick in a club where these guys would having a “bootcamp.”

I never saw anything personally blow up into a full fight, but I’d heard stories. S~~~ that was done by these guys 8 years ago would literally land anyone who tried these tactics in jail. Women today have no issue screaming rape. Everything is rape to them. Looking at them weird is rape.

One of my favorite openers used to be walking up to a woman with a dead pan face, pause for a bit until it became real awkward….and then say “hey, what’s with those dirty looks you’re giving me, I’m standing over there minding my own business and noticed it from the corner of my eye, who do you think you are…”….and then go from there.

There’s a million different facets on why that line works, and then you can argue why it’s total crap and bound to fail. It’s the guy who believes that he can close with it who will succeed. But who f~~~ing cares anymore. I’m done wanting to “get to know” women. They literally have nothing to offer but a warm crevice. I cannot wait to start getting my dick moisturized by a clean and sanitary sex robot.

But notice how the more you could care less, the more they want to either f~~~ you or kill you/get you arrested. As a man I was ready to go up against that for some new pussy. But today women are so much more entitled that they’ll literally ruin your life if f~~~ them and never call them back. Their agenda is always more important and they have no issues lying as we’ve already seen from the thousands of examples presented by mgtow.

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

Landmine wrote:

What you said about the good looking ones very very true. Double edged sword for them.

I’m not bad looking guess I have a Jason stat ham vibe going lol so I’ve been told. But it all starts whit having the b~~~~ to step forward and risk it nfg.

And no fat chicks ain’t grateful lol no admitting anything here lol 😂

Yeah man, the fatties were tougher to f~~~ with than the hotties. Fat chicks always think you’re f~~~ing with them when you’re a decent looking guy trying to talk to them so they’ll always have their guard up to the point where they don’t want to have a good time when they’re out with their friends (in their mind they’re literally saying “there’s no way this guy finds me attractive…”). Hot chicks love being taken on a journey by a man who knows how to lead and command lol. This is why “negging” was so powerful. But we never know their true motives on why our game worked on them at that particular moment. It all leads back to exploiting their selfishness/narcissism to get what you want.

As TFM states, women love to speak in spells and this is so true. They never mean what they say. A PUA exploits that and turns it on them to where they’ll go along with everything. We were opportunists who knew that anything can happen given the right time/moment.

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

Branched off wrote:

Thanks for that good insight into your world when you were a PUA.

To me the line to take away is “A PUA thinks he’s the one in charge, but in actuality you’re the one who’s reacting everything they’re doing. The leesh is around your neck and when she says “jump” you jump and give yourself the reasoning to get a positive reaction out of her/them.”

Maybe I was just too shy when younger to get into all that and maybe it didn’t suit my nature anyway but it is interesting to watch -guys defining their worth by their ability to perform for validation from women. I am glad I didn’t go that way now.

You didn’t miss out on anything bro. The grass is always greener indeed. I’m still trying to pick myself up and obtain an actual job/trade that I can enjoy and immerse myself into. Going monk is the best thing that ever happened to me in terms of learning how to focus and coming to terms that I don’t need anyone to feel “fulfilled.” It’s all a big scam. You have men walking around “depressed” and feeling “alone” because of all the bulls~~~ status quo being shoved down their throats. “There’s something wrong with you if you don’t want to get married, or have kids….or die for a woman….give your life for a woman…serve her until your dying day…you’re a coward for not buying that 30k diamond ring and ‘popping’ the question…Shame Shame Shame…”

Consume consume consume. I will never have kids so long as the c~~~ who had said kid can take them away from me and get the courts to agree with her, all the while making me pay for both of them for the next 18 years. Women are so entitled today, they’re not even hiding it. Any man today in 2018 who still thinks it’s alright to f~~~ these c~~~s is literally trying to commit financial suicide. The odds are not worth it. 1 good female out of a million dumb c~~~s is not worth it.

I can say that I f~~~ed all these girls and got away with it, but nope. I put in HOURS and HOURS of time into these chicks. Hours I can’t take back. And all just to be able to verify that MGTOW is certainly the way to go. Hands down with out a doubt. Bring on the sex robots and the artificial womb. It will not end well for blue pill cucks and feminist c~~~s, but like anyone trying to save themselves from drowning they will try and attempt to take out as many of us mgtow down with them as possible.

[Anonymous 2]

Landmine wrote:

Being angry in the immediate aftermath of being forced out of my house I guess I channeled that energy somehow that it became nfg and for me the biggest positive was the Irish accent (I’m in the us). It became too easy cause for me was a numbers game. I really didn’t give a f~~~. Was all about the conquest and the realization that the less I cared (complete opposite of how I was naturally) the more success I had.

You’re not lying there. I lived in Chicago for 4 years as a teenager, and the girls just went wild over my Irish accent. Chicago and New York are gold mines for easy pussy if you have an Irish accent.

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

GoodKid44 wrote:

It will not end well for blue pill cucks and feminist c~~~s, but like anyone trying to save themselves from drowning they will try and attempt to take out as many of us mgtow down with them as possible.

Only the White knights are going to get dragged to the bottom of the sea. Darwin’s Law in effect.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

I never needed PUA. I was (and Am) a lead singing lead guitar playing artist, c~~~y, confident dude who was a solid 8/10 in looks in my prime. I also always thought women were f~~~ing stupid basic bitches and would laugh at their idiocy to their faces!!! My 11 month younger psycho sister taught me this. As a result they all wanted to f~~~ me and I obliged happily!! Too all but 2 of my sisters friends virginity. C~~~s. Used to sneak into my room. Most had boyfriends. Just continually confirmed what stupid sluts they all are. Learned how to easily manipulate them early on just be naturally using the negging and NFG tactics that are taught to PUAs today. Women bored me when I was 16 but I liked pussy so ya put up with their female bulls~~~ just enough to get it and not a minute more.

Nowadays women are tinder swiping, dirty false rape accusation queens who are to be completely ghosted.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[Space CowboyParticipant 1466]

I appreciate your experience, honesty and insight. I missed any PUA advice and was always the nice guy, I did think women were sweet and innocent. I did want to believe I could build a meaningful relationship at 18 years old in the early 2000s.

Women proved me wrong time and time again, I always had related but looking back I was never valued like I wanted to be. I was a mug, a utility and disposed of or had to dump as I realised my futility. Mgtow wins again.

"Have you ever thought about any real freedoms? Freedom from the opinions of others...even from the opinions of yourself?"

[Anonymous 1]

GoodKid44 wrote:

When you’re in your early twenties fresh out of college and you’re getting ignored by the opposite gender even though society is saying that you’re doing all the right things, you start to doubt. And that doubt leads to doing a lot of crazy s~~~. You could say that PUA was all men had to go on back in 2004. To even consider going MGTOW was not an option. Going mgtow to almost every man back then meant that you’d given up, thrown in the towel. You’d said goodbye to civilization as we know it.

Yet, that is exactly what I did. They ignored me, so I ignored them right back.

Back in 2004, my role models were Tesla and Heaviside. My friends were into Tom Leykis and the PUA stuff. They used to make fun of me for not going out and smashing pussy.

I said goodbye to civilization a long time ago. Now even the PUA men, are waking up to reality. Those, who laughed at me back then are not laughing anymore.

My wallet keeps getting fatter. No notches on the bed post, no alimony, no child support, no STD problems.

Monk Mode wins the game, every time.

[GoodKid44Participant 1524]

PuniShredder wrote:

I never needed PUA. I was (and Am) a lead singing lead guitar playing artist, c~~~y, confident dude who was a solid 8/10 in looks in my prime. I also always thought women were f~~~ing stupid basic bitches and would laugh at their idiocy to their faces!!! My 11 month younger psycho sister taught me this. As a result they all wanted to f~~~ me and I obliged happily!! Too all but 2 of my sisters friends virginity. C~~~s. Used to sneak into my room. Most had boyfriends. Just continually confirmed what stupid sluts they all are. Learned how to easily manipulate them early on just be naturally using the negging and NFG tactics that are taught to PUAs today. Women bored me when I was 16 but I liked pussy so ya put up with their female bulls~~~ just enough to get it and not a minute more.

Nowadays women are tinder swiping, dirty false rape accusation queens who are to be completely ghosted.

Yep. I came to NYC to DJ at clubs. When I’d go out and game bitches I never let them know what I did. I never wanted that to help. I’d make up some boring random job (banker, insurance, finance, cigarette lighter repair man lol) and then go from there. If you’re talking about work or career stuff when you’re out with friends having a good time, you’re going to fail. Because EVERY single guy falls for the same ol “what do you do” line. Women will say that just to shut you up/down, and most blue pill cucks fall for this form of ‘robotic’ chatting. This is all pick up 101 stuff which is why I’m chuckling as I repeat it. You never talk work, death, or politics, unless you’re literally trying to turn any and all women off.
I still don’t give a f~~~ what a girl (or guy) does if I strike up a conversation with a stranger. What’s important is the conversation being had at the moment (we were all huge fans of Eckhart Tolle lol). Sure at the end of the 10 minute convo you can introduce and say what you do, but when out gaming hoes the more I just walked away the more it would drive them crazy about who I was.

I love how people on Reddit will be trying to debate you and just to try and get a leg up in the argument they’ll chime in with “haha, I just saw your comments history, which means you’re an xyz nazi/racist/mysoginist blah blah blah….” basically trying to say that it will discredit anything you were talking about in the moment. It’s a dumb s~~~ test, and women love doing s~~~ like that in real life especially out at a club. Men love giving away all their power to women when they’re out trying to “meet” some hotties. Most guys would literally give a girl their social security number if the girl implied that she’d f~~~ them that night.

But yeah man, if you’re in a band or do some sort of thing that puts you on a stage, it will be easier to get laid. Comedian’s, singers, rock stars. You don’t even have to be good. But you just have to be striving to be a star, and women flock to that s~~~. Once girls found out I was a DJ it was an extra bonus. It’s like gaming a girl and she’s into you but later on she finds out you drive a Porsche that you never even mentioned or brought up. That conveys that you’re a guy who’s comfortable in his own skin.

PUA’s don’t care about hypergmany. They care about right here right now and they’ll say anything and everything to get a woman’s emotions into the saying “right now baby.” But if you’re in a band you can literally get off stage after a show and point a girl out, talk with her in less than 10 minutes, and she’s literally getting into your car or going out to the diner with you or going back to your place with zero hassle.
Most guys position themselves to not have to game a chick. But that’s the worst because they’ll simply run circles around you. Unless you truly like treating women like s~~~ at heart, you will try to always protect and “trust” them. Until the advent of the PUA most men were YEARS behind a female in terms of picking up on social cues and understanding social dynamics. There’s so many little subtleties that men miss out on that women are all over in a public setting. The way you turn your back on people, how you stand, whether or not you’re darting your eyes fast or slow because you’re nervous or laid back. Most guys are like “I don’t have time for this s~~~….” but women have plenty of time for this s~~~, and if you’re trying to f~~~ them, it’s very important.

But when you’re mgtow, none of this is necessary anymore. I’m on vacation from women every day for the rest of my life and I’m loving every minute of it. A woman will literally have to drug me to get me to pull my c~~~ out and f~~~ her. I’ll have to write about this more (thank you for this platform mgtow.com) to help me cope for the next year or so, but man does this feel good to express and get this off my chest. Hopefully it helps others, and I have no issues going into more detail about this s~~~. We all get to this point from different paths and experiences and this was mine.

Anyone who says “you went mgtow because you never tried to understand women, you’re a quitter” is a man you should never trust. Get far and away from anyone who tries to shame you like that. I literally spent the last 10 years immersing myself in this world of attraction and can tell you that ALL women are insane. They’re diabolically deranged. Men put up with them because of our little head. Those hormones are powerful and women use that their advantage to get what they want.

Guess who has all the power once you install an app like Tinder. Women do. Even f~~~ing bumble where women have to ask is still dominated by them. And guys are so desperate and cucked that they just accept it because they’re hopeless and brainwashed. Once the price of pussy goes negative by the advent of sex dolls they will make documentaries (bordering on comedies) about how hilarious men were acting just to get their dicks wet. Interesting times ahead

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Space Cowboy wrote:

I appreciate your experience, honesty and insight. I missed any PUA advice and was always the nice guy, I did think women were sweet and innocent. I did want to believe I could build a meaningful relationship at 18 years old in the early 2000s.

Women proved me wrong time and time again, I always had related but looking back I was never valued like I wanted to be. I was a mug, a utility and disposed of or had to dump as I realised my futility. Mgtow wins again.

Yep, I was the nicest guy on earth. My mother wore the pants in the family and my father just let her walk all over him until he got fed up 22 years later and left. I doubt she’ll ever admit it, but I was literally raised by a full blown feminist (all though she’d never use that type of terminology). Women were always innocent and special. But it was funny that everytime I did bring a girlfriend home to meet my parents my mother was always on guard. She didn’t trust them and now I know why lol. Women don’t even trust other women. My dad was always super cheery and friendly to all my friends. Which I later learned the hard way that he should have just tattooed at sign on his head that said “please take advantage of me, I’m a pushover…”

But for me it was either learn how to understand attraction or turn into a woman hating angry male who truly hated them. So I did what any man does. I formulated a plan and stuck to it until I figured it out. Lost a lot of real friends in the process and burned many bridges, but I also learned a lot and (usually the hard way). It’s been said that the people you attract into your life (women etc.) are all a reflection of your upbringing.

Towards the last days of my going out and gaming chicks, I wouldn’t mess with any chick who’s parents weren’t still together. The list was long. They had to still be in a good relationship with their father (you’d be surprised how many of these dumb c~~~s don’t even know their dad). I’d find out if they were on any medication (sadly almost every young hottie has been on aderal or some other young child drug that helps them cope with “anxiety” which is total bulls~~~), or if they had an addictive personality. Smoking was a big no no. It got to the point where I decided to only game during the day, but because of work I could never wake up early enough to go out to these morning events so I never did lol.

My specialty was gaming bitches at night, but I found that people who stay out late past 9pm are literally out of their minds. Any woman who goes out to drink in a room full of strangers and doesn’t mind getting drunk…past 10pm….that is a HUGE red flag that most men overlook because we were all brainwashed with this “women and men should be equal.” If you’re married and you let your wife go out with her friends and do this….you’re f~~~ing cuck idiot who deserves to get cheated on. At night it’s all women who are ALL ABOUT riding that c~~~ carousel. To them it’s celebrating how independent and strong they are. Yeah, sucking a new kind of c~~~ every other day or so, real powerful of you bitch lol.

No sane person will stay out past 9pm if they don’t have to (not including one time special events like birthday parties or award shows etc.). But as guys we were all brainwashed into thinking that “you go girl” attitude where girls should be allowed to do what ever they want. I’m here to say, nope. They shouldn’t be. This is why we have #metoo and #TimesUp and every new law being voted in that is getting men arrested. Take their rights away. It is literally the only solution. It’s not about “convincing” them either.

So yeah, now it doesn’t even matter whether or not you’re too nice to a woman or too alpha. If you go mgtow you’ll be f~~~ing a sex doll anyway. Safer, sanitary, and all the free time in the world to enjoy life. These mind games women try and play are going the way of the dodo bird. Once the AI in these sex dolls improves to where they’re literally talking to you….get used to being called “Master” for LIFE fellas. Not for a month or a year….for LIFE

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GoodKid44 wrote:

Yeah man, I’m amazed I don’t have any STD’s either

I bet you washed you dick in the sink a lot though…

Great writing btw – just another angle in to how f~~~ed up things were/are.

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