Stop calling marriage a "contract"

[MGTOW2LATEParticipant 88]

This may be old and already determined, but I am new to MGTOW and am responding to several MGTOW youtubers and some posts here who refer to marriage as a “contract.” The legal codes define marriage as a “contract” and so when dealing with the law we have to pretend that we believe the lie, but we need to be clear and honest with ourselves. Marriage is NOT a contract by any stretch of any legal concept or definition. Marriage is a legally instituted fraud and “no fault divorce” is rejection of the very concept of western law and logic.

The legal concept of a contract is a “meeting of the minds.” I ask any of my brother who were married. Do you honestly think that you had a “meeting of the minds” with your wife, or did she have a whole different idea of what “marriage” meant to her? As, I think it was Chris Rock who said, “before getting married I honestly thought my wife enjoyed having my D— in her mouth.” – No meeting of the minds. Only deception.

A “contract” is defined as “an agreement recognized by and enforceable in law.” Another way to say this is “a legally binding agreement.” In a marriage we are required to make “vows.” That is the stated “agreement.” We might even make those vows in a court, in front of a judge. We should all know that if you lie to a judge in court about a material fact, it is perjury and a felony.

If marriage were a contract, the courts would enforce the vows. They don’t. They enforce a complicated code that no one except experts in divorce law know. You therefore have no agreement recognized by law or enforceable in law. The judge knows this but yet he makes you recite vows. He the makes you sign a marriage certificate that puts you under code jurisdiction and nullifies the vows he just made you say. In short, he is manipulating you into committing perjury. If marriage were a real contract violators might even be subject to felony perjury charges.

Imagine you lease a car for $300/month. Then you get a bill for $600/month. When you complain the company says that they only say and write $300 because it sounds good and makes people happy. Hidden in the law is a clause that says all payments can be doubled. This is marriage. It is institutionalized bait and switch. It is institutionalized fraud.

It used to be that if a wife cheated she was thrown out with nothing. She violated an actual contract. Furthermore the husband could sue the Chad that banged her for damages. (Sex was given a monetary value in court. Husband lost sex, house cleaning and cooking for years so no small amount of damages.) In England this was called “criminal conversation” and in America it was “alienation of affection.” The in the late 1800s things began to change with the women’s rights movement. A woman could get alimony and the courts even found that the money Chad had to pay to Husband was money that the wife could take in alimony. So the bitch could take money from husband and the lover.

This is like a mugger suing you because he hurt himself when he stabbed you.

This brings me to the “no fault divorce” being a rejection of western law. The purpose of law (court) is to identify a harm, identify a duty, and determine if a breach of that duty caused the harm. Then determine how to compensate for the harm. This is why we have a “judge.” It is all about fault. You should see that the concept of “no fault” has no business or place in a western (or any just) legal system. Divorce courts are simply a demonstration that we are slaves to the state. We are forced to pay random penalties regardless of whether we are the victim or criminal. Imagine this in any other area of law.

Bob walks into an ally with $200. Frank is waiting and pulls a knife, demanding the money. Bob then finds a police officer and takes Frank to court. The judge declares this is a “no fault mugging” state so he orders Frank to give Bob back $100. Now we have an even split and everything is fair. If that happened crime would go through the roof. The courts know it and this is why we have criminal punishments and damages in civil court. But not in divorce. They knew that “no fault divorce” would make women as promiscuous as cats in heat, but it serves the legal system and provide more work for lawyers.

MGTOW needs to keep this in mind and stop using the word “contract” as it gives a form of legitimacy to the greatest fraud in human history. Just image the wedding aisle (or even the slot c) as that back alley. Women and the government are enticing men saying, “Come in. It is safe and warm.” MGTOW is standing near the entrance screaming, “Stay out of f’ing alley brothers”

"Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, I would spare you that." 1 Cor 7:28

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

Just because it’s fraud, doesn’t mean it’s not a contract.

You signed an agreement, its a contract.

Yes, the laws favor the female co-signer. That’s why MGTOW is growing.

No different than my adjustable rate student loan. I got royally f~~~ed on that, but I did not know any better. Just because I was ignorant doesn’t mean it wasn’t a contract I signed.

Marriage IS a contract. Call it something else if you wish, you are just hiding yourself from the truth.

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[AwakenedParticipant 35203]

Label IT as you will, but the “ramifications” of Marriage/Divorce are Undeniable.

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[MGTOW2LATEParticipant 88]

I think Redpillbible had the answer.

"Yet those who marry will have worldly troubles, I would spare you that." 1 Cor 7:28

[narwhalParticipant]

I kinda see what you mean. Perhaps it’s not a contract, however I think it is absolute best to explain it as if it were a contract. The concept of a contract is something most people understand.

Where I disagree with you is in calling marriage a fraud. The vows are non-binding in any sort of way. I honestly doubt you even really need to say any vows whatsoever when getting married by a Justice of the Peace or any one legally authorized to marry people. All that is required is that the two people are of sound mind when they sign the marriage license.

Technically, in a marriage, you have no agreement with your spouse. There are no terms either of you are required to meet. All it really means is that you are considered a single financial and legal (in some cases) entity. When the marriage is ended, the state sets the terms for separating your financial and legal status.

It’s hard to call this fraud because the government never promised you anything. Your spouse may have lied to you to get you to sign the license, but the government made it clear that she is under no obligation to fulfill any promises she made.

I look at it this way. The government has made it so that it is stupid for a man to sign a marriage license. It’s stupid to cohabitate with a woman. A woman can claim she ‘Not Like That’ but she has no data to back it up. She can’t even give up her right to rob you blind in divorce if she wanted to.

Ok. Then do it.

[Prophet MicahParticipant 1972]

In the end the man is taking the 90% chance of getting divorce raped.

Count me out. I’ve gone my own way.

No Wife - No Strife

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

I like the way you think, man. Great post.

One of the great things about MGTOW is that it is rational. And when you start making analogies, explaining what marriage actually is if you transposed it to another area of life, you immediately realise how deeply f~~~ed up it is.

MGTOW2LATE wrote:

This is like a mugger suing you because he hurt himself when he stabbed you.

MGTOW2LATE wrote:

The judge declares this is a “no fault mugging” state so he orders Frank to give Bob back $100. Now we have an even split and everything is fair.

Particularly liked those two points.

In fairness, there are other areas of life where contracts are hardly a “meeting of minds” (I would hardly say there was a meeting of minds when people sign up to Facebook, for example), and at least under English law there is a lot of statutory interference in basic contract law to try to protect parties when there’s a power imbalance.

Incidentally, for info if anyone reading is interested, under English law we don’t officially have “no fault divorce” like in the US, but in reality you can get a divorce for “unreasonable behaviour”, and the threshold for meeting that is incredibly low, so to all intents and purposes we have “no fault divorce”.

I agree with your basic point that marriage is institutionalised fraud. No-one in their right mind would sign up to it if it were a business deal; I think men do it because they’re basically good guys, trusting, dumb, they believe in love, they want stability for their kids, they want to reproduce something their parents had but which can’t exist today, etc.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

A pact with Satan sounds more adecuated.

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[Remove me!Participant]

Old Buck wrote:

Just because it’s fraud, doesn’t mean it’s not a contract.

You signed an agreement, its a contract.

Yes, the laws favor the female co-signer. That’s why MGTOW is growing.

No different than my adjustable rate student loan. I got royally f~~~ed on that, but I did not know any better. Just because I was ignorant doesn’t mean it wasn’t a contract I signed.

Marriage IS a contract. Call it something else if you wish, you are just hiding yourself from the truth.

It’s exactly like this. If I bought a car and signed a loan contract with the bank, then I only pay interest on said loan. Then the bank takes the car one day because I was short $1 in a payment. It’s legal, just a bad contract. That’s all marriage is, a bad contract.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Its a contract , but so one sided it makes it not viable for a man.

[TwistParticipant]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

This is like a mugger suing you because he hurt himself when he stabbed you.

Worse is when she takes your children and you are forced to send her a check for the privilege.

Kidnapper takes your children – death penalty

School shooter kills your children – death penalty

Psychopath/Pedofile/etc. – death penalty

Mother takes your children – cash & prizes.

Don’t
Don’t even think of it

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

Buller100 wrote:

Its a contract , but so one sided it makes it not viable for a man.

I have been married and divorced I have to agree, 30 seconds to sign it, four and a half years to have the divorce and finances legally finalised. Marriage is essentially a contract with some fluffy religious stuff wrapped around it.

It is financial security for women and state sanctioned transfer of wealth from men to women. The other benefit for the state is that they don’t have to provide for the children, the ex husband gets to pay.

It is a contract that has zero clauses in your favour, if she wants to f~~~ chad you lose everything, if you want out you lose everything. Men sign it without a second though, wrapped up in the princess day but it can only come back to bite you on the ass.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[Anonymous 2]

Legally, it is a contract, but a one-sided contract. Prenups are also contracts, and they are the only contract I know of that doesn’t get held up in court.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Watch this movie, that will fix all illusions.

Marriage is a fraud!

“Divorce Corp.”

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

A bad contract is still a contract. Nobody is forcing you to sign on the dotted line. So don’t.

Marriage is a contract. A very bad, one sided contract that can be changed by the courts to suit the woman at any time for no reason.

The point is, that’s all it is. It’s just a contract. Nothing more.

It has nothing to do with love, loyalty, cooperation, romance, respect, or any of the flowery bulls~~~ they try to sell it with. It’s nothing more than a contract whereby you agree to put the government’s noose around your neck and hand the free end to her.

The mystery these days isn’t why some men are refusing to sign that contract. It’s that some stupid men still are. The f~~~ are they thinking?

[GrumpyParticipant]

Perhaps calling it a Writ of Passage would suffice?
As in passing a man’s sovereignty, production, and assets to a women to be used at her whim.

A contract is a written understanding of mutual expectation and intent that all involved parties sign…aww f~~~ it call it whatever you want.
I am not signing one.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[UnKnownSurvivingParticipant 173]

I don’t care how you name it. It’s a f~~~ing business contract for women, end of story. It’s a deal that works for women, and none for men. It’s 0/50.

If it’s on paper, it’s a f~~~ing contract. You sign it, you sign your life away to nothing.

"I come in Peace. I didn't bring Artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes, if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." - Gen. Marine Mattis Mad DOG

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

A marriage contract is like paying full brand new retail for a 15 year old car. A car that has been borrowed by 100 chads and ragged by every single one of them.

The car is polished up to look like a new car, but you will soon find out it has many inherent issues caused by the previous owners carelessness. Once the polish washes away you will see just how tired and rusty the bodywork is. The engine will also suffer from low cylinder compression due to the numerous thrashings Chad has given it.

You will need to spend a fortune trying to keep up with the maintenance and the finance agreement you signed never has an end date. Even after the car is long gone you will still need to keep up the payments for the new owner.

No matter what the salesman tells you, it will never be as tight to drive as a new car.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[UnKnownSurvivingParticipant 173]

You don’t know s~~~. If you sign a contract, the woman you think you love, will feel nothing for you, because it’s
a F~~~ING CONTRACT, meaning, she has her security well secured, and balance, because she found her security. It also mean, having sex with you has gone down.

There’s a reason, why married women likes and have her tingles startled back to being a promiscuous being, because of single men. I don’t bother reading/getting into legal bulls~~~, because I already know the trap behind. Hoe is a hoe. Period.

Don’t be a f~~~ing moron.

"I come in Peace. I didn't bring Artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes, if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." - Gen. Marine Mattis Mad DOG

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

The church ceremony has nothing to do with the marriage contract. Your vows are before god, but the signing of the contract is for the State.

She is now a part of you. What’s yours is hers: freedom, income, sovereignty. What’s hers is yours: debt, drama, disease.

Where do I sign up? NOT

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

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