Starting Anew

[DocParticipant 112]

Holy crap that sound like all of mine. Except for the air force part. My girlfriends goals where to own more shoes, bags, go shopping.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

She was recruited in to that special part of the AirForce for only the BEST pilots. The BEST of the best.

They call it….. TOP C~~~.

Highway to the danger-zone.
“I feel the need. The need… for shopping.”

(Sorry I just couldn’t resist.)

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

HAHA that is a good one. She never actually went into the air force though. I don’t know why as she kind of stopped mentioning it and sooner after we broke up.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ForgeGroup Congrats on your positive attitude with regards to your divorce! Keep swinging that sword!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

The is the second thread on mgtow.com….The first was by KM introducing the forums feature.

The date is July 2014. It’s incredible how far we’ve come.

here’s a great quote from this thread.

Doc wrote:

Women approach this all bass-ackwards.

They want to (and have already made up their mind) to “get married” before they even met the guy, dated the guy, slept with him, or spent any time with him! And that’s why their marriages fall apart. Because she’s so concerned about the damned wedding, the ring and the dress, it’s almost like she doesn’t even CARE who he is…. and it doesn’t COST her anything when she makes a bad choice. But it costs a man a HELL of a lot more when he screws up and marries the wrong broad.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Doc wrote:

Sup!, IcyGrey. Welcome.

I think it’s important to note that whether or not a guy “want’s to get married” isn’t really up to him, anyway. It’s up to HER, and the kind of person she is. It’s very common for a woman to imagine a wedding and a marriage to a man she hasn’t even met yet (they do that all the time), but she’s got this phantom idea in her head when nobody is even proposing – which isn’t even realistic.

Even women without a boyfriend(!) will say s~~~ like “I really want to get married”….

But I’ve noticed guys will be more likely to wait until they MEET her, know her, and date her, and have fun with her for the necessary amount of time before he would even CONSIDER a “relationship” with her – never mind living with her until death. Women approach this all bass-ackwards.

They want to (and have already made up their mind) to “get married” before they even met the guy, dated the guy, slept with him, or spent any time with him! And that’s why their marriages fall apart. Because she’s so concerned about the damned wedding, the ring and the dress, it’s almost like she doesn’t even CARE who he is…. and it doesn’t COST her anything when she makes a bad choice. But it costs a man a HELL of a lot more when he screws up and marries the wrong broad.

I was seeing this chick about 4 years ago… for a few weeks. I would say we had a max of maybe 8-10 dates. So she spent the night and we went out for breakfast. Then she says “so I guess we’re in a “relationship” now?” I practically choked on my french toast. So I ask her “what’s my middle name?”. She looked completely stunned. I don’t even THINK about getting into a “relationship” for at least 6-9 months of knowing her – and knowing her WELL – so what is she doing wanting to get into a “relationship” with a guy who’s middle name she doesn’t even know??? That’s nuts!!!

Until that point, she didn’t ask how many brothers and sister I had, if my parents were still married, when my birthday is, how many languages I speak, where I went to school, where have I traveled in the world, do I play any musical instruments…. none of that s~~~. It’s like she didn’t even care! All she can think about is “being in a relationship” and where or not she can tell her friends “I’m in a relationship now.” It’s f~~~ing insane.

So it’s perfectly reasonable for a guy to say “I would be willing to date” and not even be able to VISUALIZE a marriage until he has met the girl and determined the girl is even WORTH MARRYING. That’s not going to be up to him. It’s up to HER and the kind of woman she is.

The criteria for sex is very short list. Is she attractive – or is she not.
The criteria for marriage is a mile-long list of things that are worked on – OVER TIME.

You’re 18726517654265431X times more likely to meet a woman you are willing to have sex with – than live with until death. That’s a guarantee. But it’s like women will marry ANYBODY just to be able to say she’s “married”! It’s lunacy.

Anyway, young guys shouldn’t even be thinking about it. Not for another 10 years at least – or until you are already well on your way to achieving your dreams. For guys, your options don’t even BEGIN to ramp up until you’re approaching 30 (or above) anyway. You have too much to look forward to to even THINK about it. Build your life. Get your s~~~ together. Have as many experiences as possible and as much FUN as you can.

Nice chatting with you.

Amazing, but western Manginas think if they sleep with a girl the ” owe ” them something, you nailed it killed it.

This site has some guys who really see the landscape , it’s funny for me now as when I chat to minginas and see the s~~~ they are getting in its as if they are morons.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

TheBard wrote:

Holy crap Doc, that sounds like my second girlfriend. When I met her she said she wanted to take it slow because she just got out of a relationship. I agreed, but after knowing her for 2 days she starts kissing me on the lips, after knowing her for 3 days she decides she wants to be boyfriend and girlfriend, and after knowing her for 6 days she says I love you. I should have ran at that point, but being only 22 and this being my second girlfriend I didn’t want to be picky lol. Anyway she was trying to get into the air force which kind of made me not want to get too serious because I was not going to do long distance with someone in the military, especially someone I just met and could be shipping out soon. She had it in her mind that she was going to be stationed at a base 40 minutes away so we could always see each other and I could be teach at a school on the base and we could live happily ever after. We hadn’t even been dating a month and she told me we had to be married within 2 years and told me she wasn’t even over her ex yet. She even went as far saying my money was “our money”, tried to tell me what I could and couldn’t buy, and even went as far as too start bitching at me because I posted on facebook I was going somewhere on a Friday instead of asking her first in person. When I brought it up that I didn’t want to be in a relationship because she might be deployed nor did I want to be forced into marrying in 2 years in case I wasn’t ready and it was kind of messed up she said she loved me, but wasn’t over her ex she pretty much lost her s~~~. and told me I didn’t care and wasn’t committed. Stupid me got back together with her a few weeks later and after having sex I learned that while we were broken she went back to her ex and had un protected sex. I told her she could have possibly given me an STD as she didn’t know what he was up to while they broke up and she starts crying because I accused her of giving me an STD.

What a selfish c~~~, how can she have the audacity to tell you where to spend you money , what to put on FB.

That she even thinks she will be stationed 40 mins away, how does she know what staffing the Air Force has or what’s needed.

They are mental,

[AwakenedParticipant 35206]

Plato wrote:

I however, will start with my current belief, if you date a woman now, date one that has a job, a home that she pays for, and a vehicle, preferably a pickup.

These criteria are fine, but you must make sure she keeps HER job, keeps HER own home that she pays for, and keeps Her own vehicle that she pays for.
These were some of my mistakes. First I invited Her into my house that I paid for, then a couple rings fall into the mix followed by children, and I end up paying for everything.
One must be very careful when playing the dating game, especially with young women that can and want to become pregnant.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

TheBard wrote:

Hello everyone!

My second girlfriend did not work or drive and I learned my lesson. What made it worse was she was kind of the black sheep of her family, brought on by her as she liked to play the poor me card, so because she didn’t drive I had to always pick her up and take her home. She lived 16 miles away from me and we could never hang out at her sisters house where she lived because her brother in law said no, so we always had to drive back to my house. So that is 16 miles there, 16 miles back to my house, 16 miles to take her home, and 16 miles back to my house so as you can imagine I was wasting a lot of gas. She also would get mad if I spent too much before another pay check and had to conserve money because as she put it “when you don’t have money I suffer”. She even told me I could buy a tablet because I had just bought a new lap top 2 months before I met her, we had only been dating 2 weeks when she told me this. Of course as I told her ” I wake up a 4 am to go to work on weekends so that is my money. We don’t live together nor do we have kids. I live at home so I will spend my money how I want” Then on her friends birthday she was like “I know what I want to get her, I want to get her this camera she will like it” It was like $100 or $200 or something like that and then said “So can you go buy it?” Then at her friends party at one point she was like:
Her:”Honey I’m pouting because she gets to go to Disneyland this Christmas, you said you would take me this Christmas”
Me:”I said it sounded like a cool idea”(I just said it because we started dating I have no desire to go to Disneyland at Christmas and fight crowds)
Her:”Well you made it seem like you were going to take me and I got my hopes up”
Me: “It is the end of September and you don’t work. I don’t get my next check until October how would we even get the money?”
Her:”i DON’T KNOW”
Me: “Where would we stay or how would we get there?”
Her:”I DON’T KNOW”

I knew it was time to break up with her when one night I couldn’t even keep an erection with her lol.

Old post, I missed it the first time around. All I can say is WOW.

Even in my purple pill days, I would have told this chick to take a hike. Just proves that the bad, entitled attitude of women is not binary, but a spectrum. Problem is they can swing along that spectrum at any time without provocation. Coupled with divorce and common law marriages and the law in general, the risk is crazy. No marriage, no dating, hookups during travel under an alias.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Plato wrote:

A first post in a new forum, brings pressure. One is wanted, perhaps expected, to be profound. ie make a profound statement. I however, will start with my current belief, if you date a woman now, date one that has a job, a home that she pays for, and a vehicle, preferably a pickup.

Welcome aboard Plato. I have to say even if you’re willing to date, it’s very hard to find a woman that holds her own weight like that. Usually if you find a woman who’s holding her own, she’s a middle aged woman who has a work ethic that’s rare among females. I met with a woman i went to high school with, who just started her career in emergency medicine. Her personality was very controlling, and it seemed to me she was looking for a guy she could command. Conflict of interest etc.

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