Stardusk/BarBar/Spetsnaz/Neo Unplugged/Sandman

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator 89]

Good writing. Thanks. I watched the Stardusk vid on this thread with the red pills picture.

This s~~~s pretty lame, the bickering and in-group political fighting.

They need to see that they both have great qualities (Sandman and Stardusk) together they’d win a million men over to mgtow while also instructing them to the core about the true nature of the genders.

Stardusk has a scientific appoach thats straightup respectable but his budget sucks so his style suffers. He’s no artist. Thats where Sandman could make him unstoppable. Sandman isnt employing any sinister rhetoric, the guys just has class and standards as an artist! And thats the way that he speaks (his voice) so yeah, its easy to follow him and Im glad he gathers his thoughts beforehand. Sandman is shy but smart, I understand this dude because Im an artist myself. Theyre both smart but Stardusk is a sloppy intellectual (with respect to his 2 degrees) while Sandman is organized and locked on. Sandman will continue to hold an audience even if topic is a shallow 8 mins of ‘womens-only parking’. Stardusk could interview a 5th dimensional being and half the audience would fall asleep. The content rocks, but like I said, no budget or artistic finese.

Basically they love each other lol like peas and carrots. The need to ally themselves. The pair would be worth seeing in a full-feature mgtow film — now im dreaming. Dont mistake Sandmans timid personality and distance for weakness- hes building an army and weilds power that will have to be negotiated with

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Personally, I think its a bit lame to pull the plug on someone because you disagree with a few things he said: “He Shamed MGTOW?!?! Thats against the CODE!” Sorry guys.. I’m happy to debate it (I think it was in poor taste.. I know what and who he is talking about and if he made a mistake, he didn’t point out that there are guys masquerading AS MGTOW who CALL themselves MGTOW that do that, but Im sure there are guys who are having trouble functioning and are in the same pit, and they need our help, not dismissive criticism.. that aint tough love.. thats just being an asshat).

So yeah, I think he was an asshat for talking as he did without considering the guy sitting there, ruined by some situation and having trouble coping in exactly that state of mind. Yes. No disagreement there.

Does that invalidate the vast majority of his stuff? No.

I most definitely do not agree with Sandman on any number of points (especially when he talks about biology and evolution.. dead wrong), but I’m not going to sell him down the river unless he actually goes over the yellow line. He has done too much work.. he deserves some damn leeway.

Peace.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

We could go back and forth on this and EVERYONE’s point is well taken. I agree (and i am not alone) with a great part of what everyone said here. Both sides are well taken. We even recognized Sandman’s dedication — for just his EFFORTS alone — with a fun and entertaining way of promoting and recognizing him whether we endorsed him or not.

But ….

MGTOW a group of men who have had enough of that s~~~ already. They / we are (quite literally) at the end of their ropes and have ZERO tolerance and patience for any shaming s~~~ – no matter who the source is. We have had to listen to that transparent s~~~ for years – and even DECADES – before arriving and recognizing it for exactly what it is. It just doesn’t work. It is the wrong audience for that.

That appeals to THE OTHER side.
That’s THEIR argument.

You guys all know what it was like when you first overdosed on red-pills and discovered how much of a scam all of that “you’re just bitter” stuff really is – only to find immense relief when discovering MGTOW to finally be rid of all that crap. So when someone you thought was your blood brother (at least in spirit) puppet the same kind of s~~~, your ears go deaf to it and you just switch off.

That’s what the push-back was. A part of the community saying “Look, cut the s~~~. We heard it all before. Don’t even try it.”.

Anyone should have expected it really. What would any of you expect if you walked into a roomful of other MGTOW and said “look guys, just get over it already. Stop being bitter”. ….

A f~~~ing HUG???

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

Hey KeyMaster,                Huggs: -100                  Likes: 1                    me too: 1

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Sandman is MGTOW with training wheels at best. Hopefully most graduate past that.

I personally don’t spend much time watching MGTOW videos.

This is not a jab at their content, but I find both Stardusk and Neo extremely annoying to listen to based on their vocal delivery. It’s just annoying to me for some reason, not to mention Stardusk comes across as an intellectual snob at times.

BarBar is an intelligent guy with a lot of thought-provoking content, I’m just not all that interested in the gender issue when it comes to biological evolution, etc.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I haven’t listened to Stardusk just yet (I only heard about the little bit of drama between him and Sandman when I watched Sandman’s videos more often), but I’ve enjoyed Neo and Barbarossa so far from the little I’ve heard from them.  I’ve also enjoyed the Mayor of MGTOWn, BlackRam313, and The Dark Knight as well.  The one I watch/listen to the most is likely Johntheother, though.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Addendum to my above post: After digesting more red pills, and contemplating this whole thing, I change my stance. I don’t think I would have blown up the airwaves about it, but I have realized your guys points about Gynocentrism, and evaluating a man in context of women that Sandman has done.

He is evaluating other men in the light of whether or not they can, or are interested in, getting laid. He is also characterizing ANY man who is like this as Omega by default. This is essentially not MGTOW.

Thanks for holding down the fort guys. Hope you have something in the armory for me so I can get up on the wall and do my part. 🙂

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator 89]

MadScientist wrote:

I most definitely do not agree with Sandman on any number of points (especially when he talks about biology and evolution.. dead wrong)

Would you mind clarifying this statement Mad Scientist? Sandman regularly makes video that are philosophically parallel with Stardusk and BarBar. They are debating his style and marketing, not his content. Its not mentioned much but Sandman does make reference to deeper philosophy that BarBar and Stardusk begin at. The difference is that he focuses more on social issues and ends comments with deeper philosophy while Stardusk begins the discussion with deep stuff and goes deeper. But they are all swimming in the same pool, just some are in the Kitty section. Are you saying that biology and evolution has nothing to do with misandry, female irresponsibility and Feminism? If you are, you are picking up the Unconstrained View  that men and women are Not in a zero sum conflict. You’d be saying that there does exist an equality goal that can be reached. That even with the rise of technology, an equilibrium can be reached. This is erroneous. If you are under that view, you do not belong in MGTOW. We mgtow do not believe in equality with women. Men are superior to women, this is an objective fact observed in nature. We’re superior to them in intellect and physical ability. The only things they are better at is being narcissistic parasites who seek to obtain the resources of men. They shouldn’t be able to vote, among other things, because of their natural instincts.

Sandman is not some Pick Up Artist or Men’s Rights Advocate. He has a different personality, he’s a little softer, a little more sensitive, a little more artsy but he’s not a mangina. All this picking on Sandman is f~~~ing bulls~~~. Mgtow Messanger and Stardusk need to f~~~ing move on. I don’t give a f~~~ about the percieved shaming of men by Sandman, tears in a river! He called us out for not dealing with our emotions after being shat on by women; that’s all! Wallowing in their filth and misery is exactly what the first 2 months after the bitch you loved– f~~~ed you over–looks like; or have you forgot that part where we are apathetic to everyone and cry in a pillow all day? He said we need to move on and he’s right. So f~~~ off with the Sandman bullying. Go listen to Spetsnaz and have the nerve to say men don’t need to address their emotions.

It’s time to take the red pills men, they come in the form of:

Listening to what the Mgtow men on Youtube have to say; I don’t care if it’s 1000+ hours of listening, listen to it. 

Growing your world view to accurately reflect reality; human sociology, human instinct, subjective moment to moment presence, biological determinism etc, etc…  If you can’t understand these things after listening to mgtow content then sucks for you. Have fun in church or in whatever pseudo delusion you’re under. All theism and religion, western and eastern are bulls~~~, designed to imprison the mind–if you don’t think so it’s doesn’t mean your’e right, it means you aren’t well read. 

If you make it this far, you will be a changed man; observing the sickening torture of men around you who have no clue. the married men, the ‘faithful’ men, the pussy beggar men. Tell them about mgtow if you think they can take it; most of these people enjoy their chains and would fight to protect their slavery to female masters. They will also ignorantly cling to faith no matter what the cost. 

Obviously, never get married. Don’t speak or debate with feminists. Sexual conduct is your own affair, you’ve been warned–many go ahead and still do it. Personally, I don’t have time for that bulls~~~ and I don’t enjoy the company of women. It’s a tremendous risk with an inadequate reward.

 

 

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator 89]

I know I said that Mgtow Messenger and Stardusk need to move on. I think they have now,and that we wont see more of this type of pointless in-fighting and wrestling.

I’m probably wrong, Stardusk will probably keep it up. I think he owes Sandman an apology to be honest. I like Stardusk videos but when he started impersonating him, yeah I laughed but when the laugh ends you realize that was below the belt. It’s bulls~~~ and I hope he rightly feels bad for it, I hope that embarrassment for picking on Sandman is enough to keep him from doing it anymore, and instead he embraces Sandman as a fellow mgtow comrade.

Sandman is like the entire Left Airwing of the mgtow fleet. He’s doing an exceptional job making social issues,  personal stories and many other normally boring topics–he is making them easy and enjoyable to learn about.

The slack isn’t in his department! The slack is in Stardusk and Bar Bar area where the wit and intelligence and theory is all there but presentation and appeal is jumbled and hard to keep interest.

We need these guys to come together form solid, informative, indisputable, appealing basic arguments–them have Sandman put it all into a dressed up and marketed way with ideal audio video. I’m talking about a true, no s~~~, step by step, no fluff or bulls~~~, analysis of the male dilemma from primitive origin to modern presence, covering the instinctive nature of the sexes, their roles and biological determinism (genetics and memetics) the rise of technology, the influence of relgious memes and bad politics. We’re talking a full length film covering everything in its most basic form, A-Z, all the legal misandry, and the terrible direction everything is headed precisely because of Feminism and suffrage. Low birth rate, divorce, low marriage, violent kids, homosexual memes, alimony, affirmative action, welfare state, single moms, hypergamy, the c~~~ carosel, male adult virgins, everything!

Let’s just start a fund raiser. Once we have a few million, hire Sandman as director, force all the mgtow video makers to convene and hammer out a script, a basis consensus of what takes precedence etc… Do it. We’re men, lets build this thing.

[Anonymous 42]

Beware the Lamiae wrote:

Men are superior to women,

We can agree on that.

[AmbulocetusParticipant 14]

Sandman went off the rails.  I’m done watching until I hear from a faithful MGTOW that he’s apologized and got back in his right mind.  I highly recommend RazerBladeKandy2.

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator 89]

Please don’t use “faithful” as an adjective, especially when describing a Mghow. It gives the impression he believes in a god which is not true. I assume you didn’t mean it that way, but still, the word ‘faith’ was robbed of anything resembling an admirable virtue; by definition it’s not admirable in any form since it’s believing without evidence. For most of us, atheism was a rite of passage on our way to MGTOW.

There’s a bunch of lost people who skipped that and call themselves mgtow. That’s no problem, they want to play in the kitty pool while others go deep. It just shows you that people can wise up to being suckered by women and still be complete suckers. Maybe I’m too hard on them. In the end though, philosophically speaking, you’re not truly sovereign as a theist. You can’t go Yahweh and Your Way at the same time is how I like to say it.

To answer your post, you can begin listening to Sandman again at anytime. Most of us take what he has to say with a grain of salt but he is a great MGHOW. He never needed to make an apology IMHO but he did make one.

Listen to the end of  Are Gay Men Lucky? by Sandman on Youtube. Then listen to Secrets of Sandman on Youtube. If that aint good enough for you then I cant help you. Some people are still growing as men is all I can say; the wounds of viper gamine are still fresh and they are rightfully angry. No one told them to start dating or man up. But it has been said that they need to stop wallowing in their own filth and misery and face their emotions. I know it sounds harsh, he apologized, saw his error. If you wanna get angry at that comment then I just laugh, theirs no intention by men to harm you. the harm was done by a woman, I want you you to let the man inside you breathe and get out.

Anyway, Sandman is fine. He says some pretty liberal s~~~ all the time but I forgive him lol. Mgtow is suffering growing pains. Some of the mghow dont even want mgtow to grow. I get their reasoning but its not up to us, this thing grows and fills out itself. Any artist will tell you, the paintings build themselves, we’re not the agents of change, but the subjects of. 

I recently discovered ManWomanMyth on JockeVXO channel Youtube. After four hours of a playlist about the origins of Feminism & domestic violence Im amazed. Theres a never ending supply of content to view for mgtow. The rabbit hole is deep.

Heres a great one from Dont Shoot The Messenger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ILrPu7s6E

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