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Stardusk, Barbarossa, Spetsnaz/Neo Unplugged/ Sandman
I just wanted to encourage MGTOW to thoroughly explore these men’s videos on Youtube, (if you haven’t already). Their combined influence is beyond an adequate explanation. You’d could literally listen to hours of them every night for a year or more.
I’m 1.5 years into MGTOW stage 3 celibacy and have only begun to take in their exquisite content. I listen to Sandman’s daily redpill at lunch. In the evening, I lose hours listening to Stardusk (thinking ape tv) and Spetsnaz. I’ve only heard a little from Barbarossa so far but he is well articulated and funny as well. From what I gather, Neo Unplugged is also a brilliant chap living over seas. Of all these guys, I think BarBar is the only American. Sandman is Canadian, Spetsnaz is Australian I believe, Stardusk seems to have lived everywhere but sounds American, Neo seems American but lives far away.
Anyway, I could never briefly describe their positive effect on me. I’m certain there are probably more men like them. I specifically enjoy the deep introspection and exploration of human instinct. These guys definitely know their s~~~. Posers mgtows beware, when you post, we can see straight through your bulls~~~ and can see that you haven’t availed yourself of these mgtow contemplatives (Christian mgtow, Sexually active mgtow). You still are purple pillers IMHO. Enough said.
All I can say is that if you haven’t availed yourself of these sources, you are missing out big time. I’d thought I’d taken the redpill while only having availed myself of Sandman. Stardusk’s 5 hour compilation was like a redpill you truly can’t go back from. Then I stated in on Spetsnaz and was absolutely floored.
There’s just no going back now for me. I know too much now. Any convictions I previously had about mgtow were confirmed and dramatically expanded on.
Happy Listening and hope to here how these MGTOW revolutionaries have changed you. As a mgtow myself, I have built such a solid foundation of self esteem and respect for Men through the help of these guys’ videos, I just hope to tell others about it so they can grow as men.
Anonymous0there are many videos debunking sandman as a mgtow… hes not one simple as.
Anonymous27F~~~ Sandman, he’s a mangina, and a heretic to MGTOW, calling men cowards and attempting personal financial gain of a collective meaningful cause. I am sure KeyMaster can direct you to the video covering this manbitch and his underlying principles as of late.
I have to disagree wholeheartedly. Sandman is a reputable MGHOW that has increased our awareness and gathered thousands to our ranks. His Monks of MGTOW video, however perceived, doesn’t change his allegiance.
Maybe you need to watch more of his videos, perhaps the video where he corrects all these accusations against him– “Are Gay Men Lucky?-MGTOW.”
Do you see Stardusk or Spetsnaz burning Sandman? Has Barbarossa come out and taken a s~~~ on Sandman? No. If they have, I haven’t seen it.
It’s funny how the most insecure men, the ones who need to take advice the most, lash out like maniacs and jump onto cow-herd hate wagons against the MGTOW giants they once idolized. If their hero missteps or misspeaks or does anything human, his overwhelming positive contribution is thrown to the side and he’s branded a heretic.
F~~~ off with all that negative stuff. Sandman is still the s~~~. He turned his cheek, took all the heat and hasn’t skipped a beat. There’s a s~~~ load of haters. I’m a stage 3 MGHOW and have been for over 18 months. I refuse obvious female attempts to warm up to me, to try and entice me into a relationship or even causal fun. I just know too much and stay away entirely. No sex period. I’m not some PUA or anything and I’m not trying to brag, I’m just saying that I don’t sleep with or date women, period and I found no offense whatsoever at Sandmans Monks of MGTOW. He had a great point that was twisted against him by guys whose scars are apparently still too tender. No problem, when you’re ready to face your manly dark emotions without resorting to apathy, good to go. It’s a process of male grieving. I’ve been there and I worked past it. There’s people who are solely celibate because of straight-up hatred and anger towards women, directly linked to recent break-up. This is not the reason to not have sex. Even if they wanted sex, no one wants to be around these dudes who are on the verge of collapse from anger and resentment.
Nowhere did Sandman call men cowards who remain celibate. Nowhere did he encourage dating or befriending women. He called men cowards who refuse to deal with their emotions. Big difference guys.
Anonymous0This thread isn’t for talking s~~~ about a good man. I ask my question again:
HAS STARDUSK OR SPETSNAZ DENOUNCED SANDMAN? HAS BARBAROSSA DENOUNCED SANDMAN?
NO! THEY HAVE NOT.
So your little hater pals who make shoddy vids and fill their videos with weak ass arguments can go f~~~ themselves. I don’t give a s~~~ if Sandman invented a few donators, or that he accepts donations in the first place. I don’t care if he endorse social media that I don’t participate in.
Did it ever occur to you that a guy needs to still make a living and can’t freely give 40 hours a week making topnotch, informative mgtow videos? Did it ever occur to you that Sandman’s style and strategy is reaching across the web and gathering men who agree with our cause? Did you ever consider that Sandman is doing us a tremendous service; that we should be thanking him profusely for his successful efforts to grow mgtow?
Anonymous1I got here late, and I am not entirely sure of the whole discussion, but I think this last post needs addressing.
HAS STARDUSK OR SPETSNAZ DENOUNCED SANDMAN? HAS BARBAROSSA DENOUNCED SANDMAN?
So WHAT?!? People are free to think what they will, and to EXPRESS as they WILL! Do we need permission of Stardusk, Spetnaz or Barbarossa to call out who we think are detractors? NO. Everyone is free to form their own opinions. You can state your case defending Sandaman and that’s all you can do. People can agree with you, people can DISAGREE with you. But don’t give me this “approval by authority” bulls~~~! The fact that these people didn’t made a video calling out Sandman means NOTHING. Especially when there are plenty of mgtows that made videos DOING SO. Are you judging them by their NAME instead of their CONTENT?
And by the way, Stardusk (a.k.a Thinking Ape) made PLENTY of videos denouncing Sandman. Just search under his new name.
As for this:
Did it ever occur to you that a guy needs to still make a living and can’t freely give 40 hours a week making topnotch, informative mgtow videos? Did it ever occur to you that Sandman’s style and strategy is reaching across the web and gathering men who agree with our cause? Did you ever consider that Sandman is doing us a tremendous service; that we should be thanking him profusely for his successful efforts to grow mgtow?
This is very debatable, but I am just not in the mood and this type of discussion is not my cup of tea. Sandman is not my favorite youtuber anyway, and I unsubscribed from him sometime ago. His videos are just not worth it anymore. I just wanted to point out the logical fallacy of validation by authority happening here (or whatever the name is, I have a link for logical fallacies, but not with me right now).
My 2 cents.
Cheers
Anonymous42Sandy………
Yo, whatever!
Sandman doesn’t need you approval or my defense.
But to deny his tremendous contribution is pretty f~~~ed up man. Seriously man, give this an unbiased perspective.
I’m also not the one calling someone a detractor bro, you guys are. I’m defending a pillar of mgtow. No matter if I agreed with all his views or not. I happen to think therapy is useless and that real mgtow’s are celibate. Just my opinion, to each his own way, but my opinion is in opposition to the views of the guy I’m defending! The guy is being burned for nothing.
I’m calling out the bogus hate this guy is receiving. But there is no denying that Sandman has rounded up many newbies to mgtow cause. Do many of the newbs outgrow it and move on, yes. But his contribution is obvious and he doesn’t deserve the heat. He was also misquoted! He also isn’t selling anything to anyone. He gets a donation. Are you saying he doesn’t deserve them? There’s also no proof that he ever invented a donator. Stardusk asked for donations too. So what? So what if some of these dudes use social networks? I bet all of you do too! I bet you guys will still date and pursue pussy. Am I wrong brother? There’s a whole barriage of claimed mgtows that are married or Christian. Wheres the army of haters calling them detractors. They actually f~~~ing deserve it, not Sandman who called out the men who haven’t addressed their anger and live in apathy. He called them cowards because they are f~~~ing cowards. They do need to move on. There’s an epic failure in critical thinking surrounding Sandman as well as an unqualified civil war against him (this website also didn’t help that situation but actually blew it up even worse).
Don’t get all hostile at me dude. I’m on your side, as a man going his own way.
Y’all say everyone has their own opinion but are the first to denounce one of our own. Bunch of hypocrites. And that wasn’t what this thread was about, but ofcourse, little assholes drop in just to sling around negative accusations and dick head comments.
I got here late, and I am not entirely sure of the whole discussion, but
With respect, since I’m not super acquainted with you, all of us should read entire threads before we post. Not to gloat but I always read the thread specifically because I don’t want to jump in like an idiot, or say things that have already been said or take the wrong side etc…
Im not trying to rag on you but you likely agree with me more than them. Sandman is just another mgtow, good bad or indifferent.
He certainly doesn’t deserve s~~~ like this, stated in this thread earlier…
F~~~ Sandman, he’s a mangina, and a heretic to MGTOW
Really? Wow, thanks for the contribution to the thread. Who are you anyway Dolla_D? Have you even made one iota of a contribution to mgtow compared to Sandman. And the people who march in and take that guys side. Youre kidding me.
Why all the hate? Theres a lot of confusion and people who aren’t even familiar with the content of the these big names. I’m familiar with them and i know where they may disagree with Sandman. I listen to these men. But they aren’t trying to burn him at the stake or go out of their way to talk s~~~ about him out of nowhere, like the people did who came in here and destroyed a perfectly good thread.
Anonymous42The guy is being burned for nothing.
No he’s not, he’s getting heat because it appears he’s too narcissistic to apologize, what he said is absolutely appalling to MGTOW as a whole! He made a SHAMMING attack on mgtows, “wallowing in our own filth”???? F~~~ that, and f~~~ him! He meant it, he stands by it! He’s a marketeer which I have no problem with, but to shame others and accuse them of wallowing in filth like some kind of dirty pig, totally undermines anything he says. To allow his statement to stand, and accept it, is kin to being a boot licking, ass kissing Sandgina! No f~~~ing way! He’s Sandy to me, and always will be, unless he makes a public apology.
F~~~heads forgive and forget, I forgive when asked to, otherwise I never forget. He’s Sandy to me! Other MGTOW have much worse to say. If he were in prison with his attitude, he’d be in protective custody eating spit and p~~~ mixed in his food. Calling him Sandy is being extremely kind and concentrate……
Anonymous1With respect, since I’m not super acquainted with you, all of us should read entire threads before we post. Not to gloat but I always read the thread specifically because I don’t want to jump in like an idiot, or say things that have already been said or take the wrong side etc… I’m not trying to rag on you but you likely agree with me more than them. Sandman is just another mgtow, good bad or indifferent. He certainly doesn’t deserve s~~~ like this, stated in this thread earlier…
Well, since I didn’t want to do that because of the number of the posts already here, I actually mentioned this:
I got here late, and I am not entirely sure of the whole discussion, but I think this last post needs addressing.
See? I was not criticizing the whole post because I am not interested in this whole discussion. What I was trying to address was the logical fallacy you committed:
HAS STARDUSK OR SPETSNAZ DENOUNCED SANDMAN? HAS BARBAROSSA DENOUNCED SANDMAN?
This one.
Which is why I did my response. Personally? I don’t like Sandman and I don’t think he is a Mgtow. And not just because of the video that apparently set everyone on fire. But because, for a few videos now, he has been hinting that we should leave some blue pill men as blue piller to keep the state running. Although there is no way one can force other men to see the truth, I also think it is wrong just keep men believing in the lie that is this gynocentric world if the opportunity comes to offer some advice, just for the sake of feeding the machine (state). This is not how men thinks, that’s how a WOMAN think. Condemning a whole gender, the MALE gender, for the sake of the minority. The video where he calls mgtows cowards, for me, was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Don’t ask me which videos he said that it was better to leave some blue pill man as blue pillers though. It was sometime ago when I saw those videos and with him uploading 1 video a day now, at this point I will not have the patience/time to go back and try to guess which video he started with this s~~~. I did that the last time I mentioned this on youtube and was already a pain to find the videos were he hints that. At this point, he already made more 15 to 20 videos since I did my little research.
But all this is irrelevant for what I am/was trying to criticize. I am talking about logical fallacies.
I jump the gun sometimes, so I don’t have a problem looking like a fool, specially not here on the internet, since when I am showed to be wrong through logical reasoning more often than not I will admit being wrong. But I don’t think this was one of those times. Just saying.
Just research about logical fallacies man, it will help in your argumentation. It will probably help say more honest things than “Sandman is mgtow because Barbarossa didn’t went after him.” Like I said, validation through authority, not a valid argument, at all.
Anyway, as I mentioned before, I am really not interested defending or accusing Sandman. He is an asshole as far as I am concerned. I may find something that would make me change my mind, but so far that’s not the case.
I’m out of here.
Cheers.
Anonymous0btw yes stardusk has denounced sandman or as he calls him “sandscam”
Honestly, I don’t have anything left to say to Tower, Banana or Dolla. You guys have your opinions. Grounded in herd think and empty of cause but yeah, there you have it.
Sandman did apologize. I provided the name of the video. If you don’t know where people say certain things then don’t bring it up, you have no link or can’t cite the video. And you lecture me about logical fallacies?
I gather that you’ve probably been watching Stardusk lately on Ape TV or MGTOW talks. Good. Im with you dude.
I didn’t make an argument from authority, I insinuated one. And to be honest, half the f~~~ing time, arguments from authority are the truth, even Stardusk admits this, (thats where I got it from) Starusk, paraphrased from Ideal Society or Gynocentrism MGTOW talks, the problem is that there is no premium on knowledge and that rhetorical strategies of communication are the most effective. So there you have it, I tried just being logical and pointing out that Sandman did apologize for calling men cowards who wont deal with their emotions. I did point out that he never endorsed dating or outright called men cowards. Has he misspoke at times? Sure! But the violation was negligible. He also made right, so there isnt anyreason to burn him, his contribution and mgtow status is better than most of these hypocrites I daily see on here. Im not yelling at you Badkan, Im just openly saying to all who may read this. I get the feeling you are legit and actually listen to these guys, or used to listen to sandman.
I get it, Sandman content is pretty shallow water in the philosophical pool. Its luring and hooks for newcomers. But hey it got me! Now I’ve moved on to the ones I really like Stardusk and others. But be real and respect them all!
All these haters are just following herd think within mgtow.
Watch the videos. I dont know where Stardusk calls him Sandscam, please respectfully provide video or don’t bring it up. Its not that I don’t believe you. But dont worry, Ill come across it sooner or later. Really, all I hear is a bunch of sarcasm directed at one video he made, “lets all wallow in our filth and misery (said in sarcastic way)……The Illustrious Lord of poverty or something. I get it, Stardusk isnt a big fan of Sandman. He mocks his ideas a bit sarcastically. However, he doesnt bash or call him a detractor, he doesnt even name him in that video so give it a rest! (Videos named above)
Stardusk is speaking directly and unmistakeably at RBC and Chrsitian mgtows and others who doubt the role of biological determinism. If we should be bashing or hunting down anyone to defame and call a detractor, its christians and idiots who dont undestand anything about what mgtow really is. Once again, mgtow isnt for everyone; even though a s~~~ storm of teens, married men and religious f~~~ers claim to be mgtow. They clearly dont understand what mgtow is. So yeah, I think the hate directed at Sandman is immature and undeserved. We’ve got bigger fish to fry than someone who is one of our own and helps us out. Go stick it to people like John Doe on here and all the others like him, they are the heretics, not Sandman.
Another thing, i dont give a flying s~~~ about logical fallicies. They work because there is no premium on knowledge. (what stardusk meant by that is that people generally dont give a s~~~ about data, they respond emotionally to everything)
Shamming language is deserved when the f~~~er it’s aimed SHOULD be ASHAMED, that’s why I try to shame him.
Stero types are stereo types because there f~~~ing true most the time guys. Thats why we made them.
Also, all the ad homenum or whatever accusations are a MEME, the people who bring it up are retarded. To say someone is making an Ad Hominum attack is not an argument, it is itself a bulls~~~ “logical fallacy”
So yeah. I quit trying to make solid arguments and use tact, and cease cheap ways of winning—I quit that along time ago because its not respected or listened to, period. Shamming and everything else works great especially when youre on the side of truth, I make sure I am.
Anonymous0honestly idc about sandman or the guys that watch him but just to correct you on a few things, with all due respect.
“herd think”…and yet you’re the one being brainwashed by your “daily dose of redpills”
sandmans apology was pathetic and unrealastic- he presented a dichotomy and then used plausible deniability to get out of it….that is pathetic..
shaming is a tactic used by women to subdue men…if you have self respect you should condemn ALL uses of it..it serves no purpose other than making others conform to your ideals..which is f~~~ed up, MGTOW is about telling people the truth, if they dont want to listen fine. do not shame them or guilt them to make them “see the light”, let them decide. And facts are enough by themselves..no need to pile bulls~~~ shaming ontop.
as for the vids stardusk calling out sandman:-
I watch his daily videos because he is a mgtow, it’s amusing and kills 10 mins while I’m eating lunch or dinner. Plus, when he occasionally says some awesome s~~~ or really nails a topic, I don’t want to miss it. When I discovered him, he had already made many videos, so I hard to got back and listen to as many as I could. I quickly lost track of what I’d seen and haven’t. The same thing is happening to me with the other top mgtow video makers. I’m taking a bit of precaution though and trying not to skip over any, working both from oldest to newest and newest to oldest.
I admit, I like Stardusk the best, I also really like the mgtow talks but don’t really know how long they’ve been going on. I discovered mgtow through watching a GirlWritesWhat vid 2 years ago. Even though I watch content all the time, it’s difficult to get to the bottom of these vids. I’ve watched all of Sandmans stuff and probably 16 hours worth of Stardusk. Probably another 15 hours of Spetsnaz and BarBar. So I’m not totally new to any of them. But it takes time to digest the content and make progress since I’m covering old content as well as new.
I “get” why people have their misgivings in regard to Sandman. I just think it’s hypocritical and exaggerated considering way worse mgtow treason is being committed all the time. MGTOW across the board was on fire over Sandman who simply calling a group of men cowards while poser teens, married men and Christians twist mgtow every which way to suit them and no one bats an eye. ??!!
Do you see what I’m saying? Even if Sandman’s “sorry” was a half assed apology, at least he made one and I promise you he won’t be saying s~~~ like that again without rethinking. He’s not dumb and wants to ingratiate himself with mgtow.com and other video thinkers. On the contrary, all these Jesus freaks and married dudes and neurotic kids have zero intentions to reform themselves to the reality of mgtow progressive thinking. They really will reconcile mgtow with the Holy Trinity no matter f~~~ing stupid it seems. They really will stay married or even get married while having never listened to any content. These kids are also one promise of a lay or a BJ from being full blown simps.
But whatever, let’s get along and talk about something else. BTW, thanks for the links. I really enjoy listening to Stardusk. Some day I’m sure he will go into hibernation so I want to hear the stuff while its fresh and new, get it while the getting is good so to speak. Hopefully there will be more like him. There’s certainly too few of people who get what he is speaking about and agree.
Happy weekend gents……
I say bring on the shaming language when the target should be ashamed, that’s the point brothers.
For those interested, here is a new video of Sandman facing his accusers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idbnNodPJW8 Video is called Secrets of Sandman
Anonymous42No apology for calling out MGTOW monks as men (in his words) “wallowing in their own filth”. I’m not impressed, however the impression he gave me on that day, is truly unforgettable, just like I can’t forget to stop calling him Sandy. Just like I can’t just forget all the atrocious realities created by feminism….. I don’t give feminist bulls~~~ a free pass, nor will I give Sandy a free pass. I don’t rearrange the building blocks of my thinking to satisfy anyone, NOT EVER.
P.S. Everything he apologized for, I would have told people to go f~~~ themselves, and that it was none of their business. No man has to justify himself on how he makes a living. I could give two s~~~s about that!…
You’d could literally listen to hours of them
I have, and I learned much from them.
No apology for calling out MGTOW monks as men (in his words) “wallowing in their own filth”.
That’s where Sandman lost me too. I will say I can learn from anybody without buying into their whole program, be it Aristotle, H.L. Mencken, or Sandy. Everyone has something of value to me, even if it is only a negative lesson, as in “don’t do this because he came to a bad end when he did it.”
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