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AnonymousConcerning Sandman: With respect to only myself, up until about a week ago I would listen to each daily video but simply lost interest in a lot of his topics, like the one about high heels. The reason being that for me it’s irrelevant since I have no plans as a MGTOW level 3 to have a relationship with a woman again, so understanding that kind of minutiae is not useful to me and I’ve already covered the main issues I felt I needed to. I also think he’s running out of new things to say so he’s drilling down. I will still listen to any that he may make on current events in the manosphere, except for these aggravating p~~~ fights between fellow MGTOWs, but that’s it. He’s a good introduction to MGTOW and he’s never claimed to be an expert, either.
For more serious and fleshed out ideas I seek out Spetsnaz, Barbarossa and Stardusk, but as usual if the topic does nothing for me I’ll move on to the next. There’s room for every level of MGTOW video and everyone can make their own choices about who and what they will listen to.
The following pic kind of makes me think of Stardusk’s recent aggravation with Sandman’s videos 🙂
AnonymousSorry for the long post. If you just look at the graphs you’ll get the idea. I’m a doc and scientist so I love these academic research projects.
Certainly the definition of “traditional masculinity” as a word has changed dramatically since the 80’s. As someone born in the early 1960’s I watched it change. Used to be working hard, taking care of your family and doing the right thing was what made a man manly. Men didn’t leave the relationship market, they were kicked out. Like I said above, the constant changing from the point of view of feminists is just to keep the slaves on their feet.
But, and this is something I’ve really been trying to address and I suppose this is as good a time as any.
I will never return to the past. Any past. They all sucked for men in my opinion. Men have always been seen as slaves and cannon fodder. Like I said in a previous post, the worst thing I can think of happening to me is to still be married to either of my ex’s. Marriage is and was always a bad deal for men.
It’s just that now, women have elected to have the most man hating group of women to lead them, lesbians, and these women don’t care about what the average woman is trying to snatch with their snatch in marriage and eventual divorce.
That is where the friction in feminism is coming from. It certainly isn’t coming from the MGTOW movement or the men’s movement. These are curious little side shows to our fem-masters.
The fight was between married women and single women with the rate of single women skyrocketing as a result. The single women have won and that’s why women have turned against marriage and toward having women support themselves through college, careers and eschewing of motherhood.
Here are some figures that are never put together in the regular press because the picture they paint is so stark and obvious that if you put them side to side, the trends are unmistakable.
Lesbian leadership of the women’s labor union plan:
With divorce up women were fed the propaganda that they “didn’t need a man for anything”. A sentiment still alive in nearly every woman today to such an extent that even lesbian feminist leaders are saying that #HEforShe is a step backward for the women’s movement who ten years before boasted that men were now irrelevant in society and they Y chromosome will cease to exist in like 10 years and men will become extinct.
From 2010, an article that caused a major uproar in the men’s rights community”
The End of Men, by Hanna Rosen (now famous because of this article)
HANNA ROSINJUN 8 2010, 9:00 AM ET
We’ve all heard about the collegiate gender gap. But the implications of that gap have not yet been fully digested. Women now earn 60 percent of master’s degrees, about half of all law and medical degrees, and 42 percent of all M.B.A.s. Most important, women earn almost 60 percent of all bachelor’s degrees—the minimum requirement, in most cases, for an affluent life. In a stark reversal since the 1970s, men are now more likely than women to hold only a high-school diploma. “One would think that if men were acting in a rational way, they would be getting the education they need to get along out there,” says Tom Mortenson, a senior scholar at the Pell Institute for the Study of Opportunity in Higher Education. “But they are just failing to adapt.”
As the traditional order has been upended, signs of the profound disruption have popped up in odd places. Japan is in a national panic over the rise of the “herbivores,” the cohort of young men who are rejecting the hard-drinking salaryman life of their fathers and are instead gardening, organizing dessert parties, acting cartoonishly feminine, and declining to have sex. The generational young-women counterparts are known in Japan as the “carnivores,” or sometimes the “hunters.”
Whether boys have changed or not, we are well past the time to start trying some experiments. It is fabulous to see girls and young women poised for success in the coming years. But allowing generations of boys to grow up feeling rootless and obsolete is not a recipe for a peaceful future. Men have few natural support groups and little access to social welfare; the men’s-rights groups that do exist in the U.S. are taking on an angry, antiwoman edge. Marriages fall apart or never happen at all, and children are raised with no fathers. Far from being celebrated, women’s rising power is perceived as a threat.
Clearly this femi-fascist doesn’t know the first thing about men and never asked a man. Most men I know are very happy their wife works and brings home some of the bacon. I don’t know one married man who resents his wife working.
Should we mgtow care. I care. I want as many women getting up off their lard asses and paying taxes. A female tax so men could take time off from being “real men” and say FU to women, MGTOW style.
The terms of marriage have changed radically since 1970. Typically, women’s income has been the main factor in determining whether a family moves up the class ladder or stays stagnant. And increasing numbers of women—unable to find men with a similar income and education—are forgoing marriage altogether. In 1970, 84 percent of women ages 30 to 44 were married; now 60 percent are. In 2007, among American women without a high-school diploma, 43 percent were married. And yet, for all the hand-wringing over the lonely spinster, the real loser in society—the only one to have made just slight financial gains since the 1970s—is the single man, whether poor or rich, college-educated or not. Hens rejoice; it’s the bachelor party that’s over.
Now you see that even feminists admit that MGTOW is a net huge win for men. Married men are failing and single men are the only ones doing great. We are the luckiest ones. We should rejoice. Having tried both, married twice I know I do.
The sociologist Kathryn Edin spent five years talking with low-income mothers in the inner suburbs of Philadelphia. Many of these neighborhoods, she found, had turned into matriarchies, with women making all the decisions and dictating what the men should and should not do. “I think something feminists have missed,” Edin told me, “is how much power women have” when they’re not bound by marriage. The women, she explained, “make every important decision”—whether to have a baby, how to raise it, where to live. “It’s definitely ‘my way or the highway,’” she said. “Thirty years ago, cultural norms were such that the fathers might have said, ‘Great, catch me if you can.’ Now they are desperate to father, but they are pessimistic about whether they can meet her expectations.” The women don’t want them as husbands, and they have no steady income to provide. So what do they have?
“Nothing,” Edin says. “They have nothing. The men were just annihilated in the recession of the ’90s, and things never got better. Now it’s just awful.”
The situation today is not, as Edin likes to say, a “feminist nirvana.” The phenomenon of children being born to unmarried parents “has spread to barrios and trailer parks and rural areas and small towns,” Edin says, and it is creeping up the class ladder. After staying steady for a while, the portion of American children born to unmarried parents jumped to 40 percent in the past few years. Many of their mothers are struggling financially;
Proving feminists know and always knew that feminism is there to benefit upper middle class and high class women. The vast majority of women are suffering but are still faithful to the sisterhood and hating men more than ever. Most women are morons.
But men are adapting, we’re just not adapting in a way to serve women. As a matter of fact we are learning not to give a f~~~ about people that hate us and want to ruin our lives and who’s only interest in us is as slaves. Men are not as stupid as their female constituents. We took the red pill.
They even address MGTOW and know that that is the most successful route for men, much to their dismay.
As the traditional order has been upended, signs of the profound disruption have popped up in odd places. Japan is in a national panic over the rise of the “herbivores,” the cohort of young men who are rejecting the hard-drinking salaryman life of their fathers and are instead gardening, organizing dessert parties, acting cartoonishly feminine, and declining to have sex. The generational young-women counterparts are known in Japan as the “carnivores,” or sometimes the “hunters.”
In fact, the more women dominate, the more they behave, fittingly, like the dominant sex. Rates of violence committed by middle-aged women have skyrocketed since the 1980s, and no one knows why. High-profile female killers have been showing up regularly in the news: Amy Bishop, the homicidal Alabama professor; Jihad Jane and her sidekick, Jihad Jamie; the latest generation of Black Widows, responsible for suicide bombings in Russia. In Roman Polanski’s The Ghost Writer, the traditional political wife is rewritten as a cold-blooded killer at the heart of an evil conspiracy. In her recent video Telephone, Lady Gaga, with her infallible radar for the cultural edge, rewrites Thelma and Louise as a story not about elusive female empowerment but about sheer, ruthless power. Instead of killing themselves, she and her girlfriend (played by Beyoncé) kill a bad boyfriend and random others in a homicidal spree and then escape in their yellow pickup truck, Gaga bragging, “We did it, Honey B.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/308135/
So young women were taught and bought into the idea that men were an impediment to happiness and why not be like “Murphy Brown” and be a single mom.
This lead to our current disaster with the rise of the single mom:
and here is the disaster. Single mom’s can’t take care of themselves no matter what the propaganda says. With feminists fighting to get their upper middle class daughters into advanced differential equation courses by painting the walls pink and making it a hostile environment for young men, the vast majority of women are suffering terribly under feminism.
Poverty rate for single women mothers vs married mothers:
Men watching this, with feminists doing all their planning in secret, knowing that any participation in this planning by men would surely stop it as it is insane. Now men are faced with the new reality. They are trained they are redundant and society has no use for them so they went their own way.
Mens employment rates:
Now men are becoming the leisure class, money doesn’t buy happiness.
They no longer have any faith in a relationship working out. They watched their parents, parents friends and hollywood propaganda and, as was the plan of the lesbians, they now have absolutely no use for men other than to bring in money and lift the occasional heavy thing, provide quality sperm and pay handsomely to see that sperm become a human that hates it’s father…even though they resent the fact that you, their partner, have greater upper body strength than them (it’s a wonder the feminists haven’t made cutting off of the hands the punishment for DV like in arab countries thieves get their hands cut off…wait, I shouldn’t give them any ideas.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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