Some nonsense about there being no men left

[DayrepSpectator 69]

While I disagree with some of Sandman’s views, today he’s just said it like it is. The truth about the reality we live in. And I quote:

 

“The death of the male spirit. Feminism has not only redefined what it means to be a modern man, but is also attempting to destroy the cultural values of masculinity as well. The men surrounding us today in our society could not bear the hardships of fighting a world war or even dealing with the great depression. And probably not even starting a real revolution. The last generation of men disappeared sometime in the 1970s or 1980s when third-wave feminism destroyed male identity.”

 

While there were still many men remaining in the 90s in the western world, I think there are hardly any left now and are a dying breed. However said one very depressing thing – that just as we’re not going back to traditionalism, we’re not going back to traditional masculinity. We must ensure that this isn’t the case! To me this seems like a cause worth fighting for, and worth dying for. Feminism has caused a lot of mental damage, which is part of social conditioning.

 

Anyways, what are your thoughts on this? It is probably the most important issue in the modern Western world. We should learn from the masculine men that are left and inculcate their values into us, so that we stop masculinity from being killed by women and gynocentrism. They are still out there. We just need to find them and do something asap. Take whatever we can. Whatever’s left. And we can turn to old texts and recording, that might help us a lot.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Dayrep wrote:

While there were still many men remaining in the 90s in the western world, I think there are hardly any left now and are a dying breed.

Read that again. Don’t you see how screwed up that is? How about this….which you put in bold.

Dayrep wrote:

The last generation of men disappeared sometime in the 1970s or 1980s when third-wave feminism destroyed male identity.

The last generation of men? Look out your window. Did the men disappear?

Feminism did no such thing. It destroyed FEMALE identity. 49% of the population in the western world are MEN and you’re pretending there are none left? Look at your wording. You said it twice. This is like coming out and saying the definition of “men” is whatever women say it is. What a crock of s~~~.

I’m not interested in creating friction here, but some of your stuff is highly questionable – including your motivations. But now the definitions are whack too. “hardly any men left”. Jesus Christ look around. That’s what a woman says! And you’re perpetuating it. Are you a man at all?

“Traditional masculinity” is a bulls~~~ buzzword nobody EVER used until recent years. It’s so f~~~ing lame. “We should learn from the masculine men that are left”. Well aren’t you one of them?? If not, what the f~~~ are you doing here?

Don’t lecture the group like they don’t know what it means.
MGTOW is men who define themselves. It’s right on the f~~~ing “about” page.
This is the worst possible thing you can do.

You can’t join this website if you’re not a man and that means you can’t be a MGTOW.

MGTOW is a place for men who don’t give a s~~~ about “Traditional masculinity” or any definition of “men” that you would use. You actually came in here and pretending like men are going extinct. There isn’t a single MGTOW that says to other men “we need to learn from the masculine men that are left”.

We don’t SAY that to each other. We define what that is for ourselves. You don’t, and neither does Sandman.

Very curious the topic “Now editing Sandman’s video… the ultimate truth”.

“Now editing??”

For the moment your privs have been reduced to spectator status.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Dayrep wrote:

While there were still many men remaining in the 90s in the western world, I think there are hardly any left now and are a dying breed.

Really?  I can see hundreds right here on this very forum.

However said one very depressing thing – that just as we’re not going back to traditionalism, we’re not going back to traditional masculinity.

Oh please.  What we’re not going back to is Traditional Chumphood.  Meanwhile Masculinity is still alive and strong, and has never been traditional.  Ever.

You know what else isn’t traditional?  Walking on the goddamn moon.  Not only is it not traditional, but it’s completely unprecedented.  No other species in the history of everything ever even contemplated that, never mind gone and done it.  But twelve men have done exactly that, and they are twelve of the most untraditional manliest sons of bitches who have ever lived.  And now we have other men, real men, ignoring government schedules and regulations and bulls~~~ looking up to Mars and saying: “You’re next, f~~~er!”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi DayRep. Thank you for using the contact form to reach out and I replied immediately. But your disposable email address is undeliverable, so here is my reply:

From: Day Rep
Subject: Contact

Message:

Dear KeyMaster,

Thank you for your moderation. I understand that my reply was extreme, however I think that you have been a little too harsh on me. I have been stripped of my ability to comment or make threads. I urge you to have a look at my post and thread history and re-evaluate your decision. Please give me a warning instead. I won’t make the same mistake in the future. Oh and I’m not a woman! lol.

Reply

From: Keymaster
Date: March 7 2015 11:18 PM PST

Good evening.

Your spectator status temporary for the moment. Your posting style has become highly questionable and others have written to us about it . You don’t get to “lol” at people who question your masculinity in a forum for MEN – after you finished pretending they need to learn about it.

The idiots who call themselves “Manhood Academy” also thinks like you do – pretending there are “no men” around.
Are you affiliated with them?

You may not be physically born a woman, but by your own definition of a “man” you believe it’s open for interpretation.
So we will reinterpret it ourselves and get back to you.

– Keymaster
MGTOW.COM | Men Going Their Own Way

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PS. We have just learned that you used an undeliverable/displosable email address ( dayrep @ dayrep . com ) to sign up and join – so we could not even reply to you. And you used it again to use our contact form and we STILL couldn’t reply to you. A valid deliverable email is an absolute minimum requirement to join, as are XY chromosomes. Therefore, you are not in a position to expect a warning , nor do you get to LOL at anyone for questioning you… and your posting privileges will remain revoked indefinitely.

Showing this lack of respect for a website you expect to post (and be taken seriously) on is totally unacceptable.

Thank you for your interest in MGTOW. Have a pleasant evening.

Don’t waste anyone’s time here ever again.
We hope this was “masculine” enough for you. Thank you for teaching us what “we need to learn”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

Keymaster, I don;t know what your situation is with the software on the forum registration, but a couple of forums I have been on have a whole process where new users have to click on a link from there registered email address in order to confirm it’s authenticity.

It might be a whole lot of extra expense that might not YET be worth it, but I thought I would at least raise it as an option for you.

I’m sure you already knew, but hey…..

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Yes a “confirm your email” link is standard protocol for joining most websites – we are well aware – but this is Men Going Their Own Way, and MOST – almost all – of our users are MEN who don’t f~~~ around.

Most – damn near all – MGTOW enter a valid deliverable email.
That’s f~~~ing excellent and it says something about the quality of people we are among.

There is a place near where I live where they have an unattended cart on an outdoor park that operates on an honor system. Its been there for years in a big city where you think this might be insane. They have fruits and chips and water available and people just put $1 in and help themselves. It is stocked and maintained all the time and the water bottles are always cold. (But I never saw anyone stocking it.)

This is the open kind of honor system we have here and serves as a great test to find out who’s honorable – and who is not. Who’s willing to give AT LEAST their email address so they can be contacted and replied to. If they are not even willing to do that, they can LEAVE. We’re not Facebook or Yahoo and we don’t ask for anything else just to be who you are.

If the don’t want that, they can buy a MGTOW.COM email address for this “disposable” purpose. Either a full box which they manage and control…. or a “bouncing” address which will send the email to their desired address and nobody needs to know. It’s a service we provide like that other service he would rather use.

Dayrep is not honorable and has just lost credibility due to his OWN behavior.
Not because we were restrictive assholes who put up barriers for people to climb over.

Perhaps we will implement this now, because I have been sitting her replying wasting a f~~~ing hour on this asshole who shouldn’t even get the time of day.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

KeyMaster, I totally understand your position, I prefer the honor system myself, which is why I said “YET”- ultimately (for me)  it would come down to cost (of your time & software costs) vs benefit (number of trolls and s~~~ you have to deal with)- not saying Dayrep was a troll – I have no idea.

Thanks for the reply, though it was not required, I just throw my humble input in if I think it might help.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

I can’t speak to the email thing, but I honestly don’t think Dayrep was a troll.  Just way too saturated in feminine false assumptions.  I can’t really blame someone for being slow on the uptake when the mental framework that’s been rammed down their throat from day one is completely incapable and unsuitable for the task.

I think when a man sets out Going His Own Way he first has to learn a whole new vocabulary.  I’m not talking about the jargon: terms like Red Pill, AWALT,  or Unicorn.  I mean he has to learn the real meaning of words he only thought he understood before.  Words like freedom, responsibility, privilege, maturity, honor, and, yes, even masculinity.

Dayrep may not have reached that point.  He probably should have considered spending more time lurking before joining too.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

There are sayings, not logical arguments, just random quotes that are taken up by our feminist overlords to beat up us amazingly seemingly happy slaves in the US.

Every phrase is different from the what it meant in the past because feminists are using totalitarian methods of social control, like Stalin did before he found just killing people or shipping them off to Siberia was more expeditious.

Our fem-lords are filling our prison’s to capacity to such an extent that the government can’t build prisons fast enough and have to hire private companies to imprison American citizens, guilty or not.

Then these men have a permanent scarlet letter on their record.

From 1980 to 2008, the number of people incarcerated in America quadrupled-from roughly 500,000 to 2.3 million people
Today, the US is 5% of the World population and has 25% of world prisoners.
Combining the number of people in prison and jail with those under parole or probation supervision, 1 in ever y 31 adults, or 3.2 percent of the population is under some form of correctional control.

6% of white males have been marked as second class citizens and 33% of black men have been incarcerated, guilty or not. And even if they were guilty, our penal system was never meant to create slaves who can’t find work and go back to crime, no, it was to pay a debt to society. We won’t even bring up the fact that re-habilitation has a much lower recidivism rate than simple imprisonment. This is why women want all “womens” prisons closed down and don’t think or femin-nazi’s aren’t writing the laws right now that will close american female prisons…for the children.

Women don’t want men. They want slave. The word men has become so synonomous with slave that women can’t understand the difference between no men left, easily proven by looking out the window. And no slaves left.

As MGTOW I am pleased to be names in with the group that annoys the s~~~ out of feminists. I suppose the fish needs a man to ride the bicycle to get them to the pet store for more gourmet fish food.

A bicycle needs fish like a man needs a tapeworm, consuming half the mans resources and returning nothing…a parasite.
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#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

There are sayings, not logical arguments, just random quotes that are taken up by our feminist overlords to beat up us amazingly seemingly happy slaves in the US.

Yep, and every time a man spits out the proverbial hook, they put on fresh bait and throw it in again.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@sidecar, I haven’t welcomed you properly yet and am very delayed in saying it. Enjoy your direct style, and totally agree.

I also don’t think DayRep was a “troll” because I believe there is no such thing.
There are no “trolls”. There are only posts by “people” and replies by other “people”.

There is nothing stopping DayRep from returning and rejoining with a valid / deliverable address.
A disposable address means disposable person… and disposable posts.

He can start over, but “dayrep” is not an identity of a person. It’s junk. Trash. We don’t expect everyone to be hardcore / experienced because that takes years. Hundreds of hours of study and thought and it’s a full-on journey to arrive at MGTOW. Saying s~~~ like “there are no men left”, and “we need to learn masculinity from other men”.. is PFFFFTT! gimme a f~~~ing break. That’s so far off from a MGTOW mindset, it almost looks like fraud.

People come here to GET AWAY from that s~~~. (like HRPUF’NSTUF was implying)

Men are here trying to de-proram themselves from that and they have had ENOUGH. I know he has no idea what he was saying, but it’s our duty to point it out and tell him to look at HIMSELF before he starts telling others what they “need” to do.

But the Sandman pumping “sandman speaks the ultimate truth.. there are no men left” is where it just went right overboard.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Hundreds of hours of study and thought and it’s a full-on journey to arrive at MGTOW.

Exactly true. When I first arrived at this site I’d already spent a few weeks researching MGTOW issues and lurking, and afterwards I probably spent 10-12 hours a day absorbing everything I could learn from here, other sites, YouTube videos, and free literature in PDF format, especially the one from Esther Villlars. I spent a minimum of 400 hours haphazardly trying to piece together a coherent and clear picture of what I’d experienced pre-2003 when I finally said f~~~ it, I’m out. And I did.

But you know what? Even though I’m still trying to fill in the small gaps I think I have remaining concerning the true nature of women, I do think that if a primer on this subject were published it would make the pathway for others so much more direct, shorter and clearer. For example, the primer would include the basics about MGTOW, links to published material, links to top MGTOW websites and links to the best and most informative videos on YouTube. I haphazardly made my way through the labyrinth and only wish that even a biased methodology of learning MGTOW was available. This site is great but it lacks this kind of a “Man’s Guide to Understanding MGTOW 101” that would cover all the essential elements of MGTOW and thereby helping every seeking man to at least a standard understanding – from there they can branch out as they see fit, fittingly. 🙂

[KeymasterKeymaster]

We have been asked about this – creating a sort of “MGTOW 101” – and Im actually working on it right now as well as making recent forum topics and posts available so guys can scan the latest stuff.

But back to MGTOW 101, we’re very carefully tagging certain videos, articles, audios etc. into a sort of guided “MGTOW 101” category as a separate archive (like a filter) and working on display it in it’s own “archive”. We already select bare essentials / fundamentals in our archives and any guy can have a FIELD DAY in there including the ability to save his own “favorites”…. but since the request for this has been overwhelming, we aim to please.

@gonegalt That’s TWICE you’ve read my mind.

Hair blown right back. Cheers

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Dayrep wrote:

While there were still many men remaining in the 90s in the western world, I think there are hardly any left now and are a dying breed. However said one very depressing thing – that just as we’re not going back to traditionalism, we’re not going back to traditional masculinity. We must ensure that this isn’t the case! To me this seems like a cause worth fighting for, and worth dying for. Feminism has caused a lot of mental damage, which is part of social conditioning.

Well said Dayrep!

 

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Hey if I can join this discussion. I took the phrase “traditional masculinity” differently, it  seems, than the majority here. I took it to mean a defense of western culture and civilization, which men built, the Teslas, the Newtons, the Leibnizs, and so on. Perhaps I missed something.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

@sidecar, I haven’t welcomed you properly yet and am very delayed in saying it. Enjoy your direct style, and totally agree.

I think this is the second time you’ve welcomed me, actually.  Just happy to be here.

Saying s~~~ like “there are no men left”, and “we need to learn masculinity from other men”.. is PFFFFTT! gimme a f~~~ing break. That’s so far off from a MGTOW mindset, it almost looks like fraud.

Yeah, that kind of stuck in my craw a bit too.  It’s one thing to ask for help against getting screwed in another relationship, but it’s quite another to tell a bunch of men that manliness isn’t a thing any more.  However he was regurgitating something out of Sandman on that one, more than coming up with it himself, so it doesn’t speak well for Sandman more than Dayrep.  Of course that might not actually have been what Sandman was saying; I can’t be sure because I don’t really follow Sandman, and I’m not going to bother looking for the video to find out.
No offense to Dayrep, but he seems to me to be a lost kid dipping his toes in the pool and still not sure where he stands in all this.  I don’t think he’s put in the necessary time yet working things out for himself, but is instead trying to find a place by repeating what other people say.  I honestly feel sorry for him more than annoyed.  From the stuff he’s said I think he’s got a tough couple of decades ahead of him.  But then that’s something he’s going to have to work out for himself, like every man, and while this is a great place for men to come for help with their issues, it’s not really somewhere for people to bring their issues and try to rub our noses in them.  If that makes any sense.

MGTOWhomo wrote:

Hey if I can join this discussion. I took the phrase “traditional masculinity” differently, it seems, than the majority here. I took it to mean a defense of western culture and civilization, which men built, the Teslas, the Newtons, the Leibnizs, and so on. Perhaps I missed something.

Again, there is NOTHING “traditional” about masculinity.  Manliness is all about foregoing traditions and blazing new trails.  Do you think we’d have calculus, computers, or power transmission today if Newton, Leibniz, or Tesla had followed tradition and remained an alchemist, a latin poet, and an orthodox priest?

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

lol, KM … here’s a blast from the past!

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

MGTOWhomo wrote:

Hey if I can join this discussion.

No special permission required. You don’t ever have to ask.

We all know what he meant, and we all know it was well-intentioned. BUT! This is the dialogue we hear in every facet of the media – around every single corner. Most people don’t hear it, they don’t LISTEN. They are unaware of what they are saying.

“there are no men left”.

I know what he meant. But HE doesn’t even know what he SAID. Therein lies the difference.
It’s like every f~~~ing feminist that says “where are all the men?”

F~~~. THEM. AND. F~~~. THAT.

Now it would be a totally different story if they finished that sentence:
“Where are all the men ,…. who are dumb enough to sign marriage contracts to my expired over-the-hill bitchy ass.“

That’s what they should be asking. And that’s when “where are all the men?” is exposed as bulls~~~. It’s not that there is “no men left”. That’s not the problem. The non-existence of masculine men is not the problem either. The PROBLEM is in the question. Its an incomplete sentence and it’s a MGTOW’s repsonsibility to identify that red flag and call it out.

That’s all.

When you do that, “where are all the men?” is now null and void.
The non-existence of “masculine men” is bulls~~~, and MGTOW are forcing women to accept that these men DON’T WANT THEM.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Keymaster wrote:

This is the dialogue we hear in every facet of the media – around every single corner. Most people don’t hear it, they don’t LISTEN. They are unaware of what they are saying.

No argument there!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Gone Galt. I know that MAXELL cassette tape poster very well. LOL good one. Christ are you my twin brother??

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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