should we talk about suicide? (your thoughts please)

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Marijuana in small amounts is an antidepressant, but in larger amounts is a depressant. It is not good to self medicate with it if suffering from severe depression. Seek professional help, at least long enough to get you through the rough spot you might be going through.

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

Speaking of medication while I am not a doctor I did spend quite a while in pursuit of a degree in psychology and spoke with several psychologist in general about some of these subjects. Medication can be good but you should try to find someone who can help you work through the issues you are going through (I do include this site) so that you can get past it. The medication can help but in at least some cases suicide actually happens when people get on an up swing, they get out of the deep dark pit to the point they can actually go through with their plan.

Speaking as someone who was sitting there with a firearm loaded and contemplating it, find someone who really cares and is willing to listen.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

One’s body is one’s own property.  It therefore follows that one has the right to alter it to as to cease one’s own life.

[narwhalParticipant]

@fitzbones

Thank you for sharing.  It just goes to show, to me anyway, that it’s more complex then it seems, and thinking you understanding what’s going on in someone’s head is a mistake.  What seems logical is not necessarily what’s happening.

@g<span style=”color: #337ab7;”>llahone84</span>

Like I said, I’m not suicidal.  What happens with me is very minor and can be dealt with. For the most part I don’t worry about it too much because I feel like I tell the difference between sadness (something external causing me to feel this way) and depression (something I feel for no real reason).  That’s how I see it anyway.  The sadness will pass, and the depression can be ignored as long as it’s not too damaging.  If I’m missing out on life because I don’t want to do anything, then that’s a problem I need to deal with.    Right now, I don’t think that’s the case exactly, but I do want to do more with my life, so I’m considering my options.

 

Ok. Then do it.

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

9 times out of 10 if a man is talking suicide it has something to do with either a women, or his prospects for landing women in the future. Been there in the past, thought about suicide. Low and behold, it all went back to women. Why? Because I was conditioned by the media to want a perfect little life and that again all revolved around having a women in your life.

Bottom line, MGTOW is a point of view where you will never even THINK about suicide. There is absolutely no reason to. Worst comes to worst you are living off welfare. You’ve got no women in your life, no problems. Go smoke a joint if you have to to get over the suicidal thoughts.

Better yet, if you are thinking about suicide, go to Hawaii, smoke dope the rest of your life and be MGTOW. If you are still thinking about suicide then realize something: SOMEONE OR SOMETHING HAS PROGRAMMED YOU TO HAVE THESE THOUGHTS OF SUICIDE. Think about who or what is doing that and erase them from your life. It could be something as simple as watching TV.  Suicide is not natural.

 

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

I get it though…I’ve been through that phase. I don’t think I’ll ever go back to that way of thinking again. Since being MGTOW I’ve never seen suicide as an option. Before MGTOW, suicide was an option. You do the math…

 

By the way…be careful if you are truly on the edge and seriously making plans to commit suicide. If this is the case do whatever it takes to get out of that phase. You will come out of it. If you don’t again, note that someone or something is triggering you to want to commit suicide. So if you have to smoke weed all day, or stay drunk for a year, do it. Whatever it takes. I’ve seen several people commit suicide. All of them were psyching themselves out, and all of them were being triggered by Mind Control Scientists. (as crazy as that may sound). They had actual mind control scientists who induced suicide in them so they would kill themselves because they were Heirs to a large fortune. (which the scientists themselves then took control of after they committed suicide). That type of s~~~ is real and its out there.

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Megachris:

I know you want your life to go places and be a success. But why are you correlating lack of success with Suicide? I mean, I used to think the same way until I realized I had people deliberately sabotaging everything I was doing in my life. Now, I am realizing that it makes no difference. Being alive is a funny thing. There is no point in ever thinking about suicide. There is no point in contemplating suicide.

Have any of you guys ever been at rock bottom? I’ve been there and guess what? It was kind of fun! Honestly.

You know what is scary? Being SCARED of hitting rock bottom.

Rock Bottom itself is the best place you could ever be, you know why? Because when you are at rock bottom, you don’t give a f~~~ what anyone thinks about you, you’re just happy to be alive. And rock bottom means you only have one way to go and that’s up. And you will go up…believe me, you will appreciate every little thing you have.

Right now you are feeling like s~~~ because you don’t appreciate what you have. Rock bottom is actually a BLESSING. It literally forces you to appreciate the little things like a $200 per month food stamps in the form of a credit card.

Do you know how many homeless guys are too crazy to realize they can go and get a credit card which gives them $200 per month?

I was once sleeping in a car for 2 months…it was some of the greatest times of my life. You know why? Because I didn’t give a f~~~ what anyone thought of me. I just said “well…this is rock bottom”. Huh…its not that bad after all…

 

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Think about this for a minute guys. Why do you give a s~~~ what anyone thinks of you? Isn’t that a female trait???

 

If you give a s~~~ what anyone thinks about you, then you are literally just living your life for someone else, and what is the point?

 

I personally have gotten to the point where I feel that people’s opinions are so programmed into their minds that they are not even that person’s real thoughts. They are just programmed thoughts. What they perceive as reality literally has no bearing on me and makes no difference to me because people cannot even think for themselves. IF they truly could think for themselves why would they be concerned with me or what I am doing?

 

Its all media manipulation and programming.

 

MGTOW is when you don’t give a flying F~~~ what women think of you. Or other men for that matter, I think.

 

This also correlates with lying your ass off to women to get whatever you can out of them. Because 99% of what comes out of a women’s mouth is lies, lies and more lies, why would anyone give a s~~~ what they think?

[SolipsisticParticipant 6]

This may come out of left field, but reading Buddhism’s four noble truths really helped me.

In  2012 and 2013 all I could really think about was dying to escape my pain. I hung on because of the people closest to me.

It doesn’t matter whether you are a theist or an atheist maybe it can help you.

[BDParticipant 1146]

I had contemplated suicide once, and it was because a girl had used the legal system(falsely of course) and every other card to attempt to ruin my life. Amazingly enough, this girl swore her undying love for me, even while doing this, crazy huh?!

I somehow dodged all of her bullets, pregnancy blackmail, false accusations, death threats from her and white knights, STD’s. I took several beatings, it cost me thousands, and she destroyed my reputation and my property. She still won. The great thing about defeat is the self reflection that occurs, and the challenge of getting back up to fight another day. I did not resort to alcohol or any drugs, prescription or illegal.

So I looked within, started studying human behaviour(Gabor Mate, Gerry Spence”How to Argue”) ,religions(Buddhism had some great resources), culture(our environments raise us and instil our values, the Zeitgeist movement, Venus project etc ). I read books such as Meditations Marcus Aurelius, The Power of Now, Conversations with God, Several Dalai Lama books, The Crowd, The Road Less Travelled etc etc…  It is important to always keep an open mind and form your own opinion when digging into this kind of material. The same goes for when you discuss it with people, many people have barriers that won’t allow them to even consider an idea that doesn’t agree with their belief system. “I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief”

I took my hatred for her, and myself for allowing it to happen, and I converted it into the energy required to build up my body at the gym, and I won every physical competition at the school that I attended. Without this hatred, I would not have had the inner fire to achieve so much.

I eliminated negative,draining, and disrespectful people from my life, it is better to have no friends than to have bad friends, it was lonely at first but quality is much more important than quantity.

As Eric Thomas would say, I tailor made my life, I redesigned it exactly to what I wanted, and I worked my ass off. I held myself responsible.

Your outlook on the world is very important to your mental health, what you put into your mind is important, just like what you feed your body is important. Expectations of the world used to be a source of frustration and sadness for me, but this video changed my outlook.. he starts to talk about expectations at about 22 seconds in..   “<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>We suffer more from our fictitious illusion and </span><em style=”line-height: 1.5;”>expectations<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”> of reality.” – Fresco</span>

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Anonymous 11]

BD wrote:

I eliminated negative,draining, and disrespectful people from my life

This is so very important. I recently evicted my parasitic roommate and suddenly I’ve made as much money the first three days of this week as I did all of last month. He did nothing to directly hurt my business but sucked away energy that should have been applied in other areas of my life. Losing that negative, draining and disrespectful entity has had a very positive impact on me.

Oh well, another experience notch is the way I look at it.

My longest known friend committed suicide playing Russian Roulette with a .357 Magnum. He was a very negative and bitter man too. I still miss him. I had to be the one to tell his Brother what had happened.

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 13.3333330154419px;”>I somehow dodged all of her bullets, pregnancy blackmail, false accusations, death threats from her and white knights, STD’s. I took several beatings, it cost me thousands, and she destroyed my reputation and my property. She still won. The great thing about defeat is the self reflection that occurs, and the challenge of getting back up to fight another day. I did not resort to alcohol or any drugs, prescription or illegal.</span>

 

Holy S~~~! That’s what it takes to be with a women? No thanks.

MGTOW for life.

[BDParticipant 1146]

I had to somehow hang in there to make sure that she got the abortion, it was a blackmail, meanwhile I was charged(falsely)and not allowed to be near her, and of course she wouldn’t leave me alone anyway. Any time she got mad she would just make up another accusation. It was insanity and I actually feared for my life because she had been a prostitute in organized crime. A person from that group actually called me. Of course she never told me about this at the beginning of the relationship…..I really didn’t want a kid with her so I sold my soul to the devil, and then I climbed out of hell.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Jackson1888Participant 111]

Bulletdodge: as shocking as this may seem many attractive women over the age of 30 have a history of prostitution. You won’t believe this but the past 3 women I dated were actual prostitutes. Well actually there was one that I met one night, f~~~ed her and she turned out to be married, but the only reason she let me f~~~ her was because I took her to a friends house which was worth $2.5M and I pretended like I owned it. These bitches are crafty. When she found out that I owned a $2.5M house, she decided she was going to slip one of my drinks a micky or GHB or one of those date rape drugs. I just remember getting tunnel vision. As I was f~~~ing her I was just like “oh well, I might get AIDS but I don’t care”. The drug took away all sense of consequence.

 

Yeah women are vultures.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

“Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem”

Truth or platitude?  I honestly don’t know.

The truth is I don’t think I would do myself in over a woe-man.  However the cumulative effect of repeated failures and getting the crap kicked out of oneself can lead one to questioning, “What’s the point if everything I try just results in failure?”  What about just being bored out of your skull because you’re middle aged and simultaneously watching the entire world circle the drain (including wimmenz)?  Maybe sometimes I’m curious what comes after this life. These are some of the thoughts that bounce around my head from time to time.  It’s not that I’m gonna go smoke myself anytime soon but I think I’m o.k. with it if my time was up tomorrow.  It is kind of hard to articulate my feelings on this topic. I’ve experienced many suicides in my lifetime.  They were friends and family.  I saw more of it before I was 18 than most see in a lifetime.  It was traumatizing but at the same time I can understand the need to escape the intense psychological anguish life’s circumstances can throw in one’s path.  I’ve thought about it myself many times when I was at a low point.  But then I thought about the insufferable pain I would inflict on those around me.  I understand that pain all too well.

Well I’m just being open and honest with my thoughts on the subject.  However, I would encourage anyone contemplating suicide to PLEASE seek out help.  Don’t hurt others because you are hurting.  Get help.

You may not believe in God but He believes in you.

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[Anonymous 11]

Soul Man wrote:

“Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem”

It is the truth. All situations be they good or bad eventually turn to the other side. Dealing with bulls~~~ is a huge part of living so we deal with it. My suicide buddy and I were going through a set of very similar circumstances. Deaths of loved ones, job loss/soul sucking job hunts, and just being stupid blue pillers dealing with modern women.

I took my first unknowing steps towards MGTOW by starting my own business the very day he killed himself. He took his life right after a c~~~ rejected him for a date. He was a desperate woman clinger and was miserable after his wife died who was 23 years older than he. His stepson was a year older than he was. Freaky, I know. His dependency upon women is what lead him to suicide.

I took my first red pill, and he took a .357 Mag JHP. I’ve always wondered at our life paths diverged so radically over 24 hours.

The tragic part of suicide is the burden you place on those who knew you. Suicide is the most selfish thing one can do.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

The tragic part of suicide is the burden you place on those who knew you. Suicide is the most selfish thing one can do.

 

It is, and absolutely a permanent solution to a temporary problem but the point I was trying to get across with what I’ve lived through is that the mind is broken. It doesnt/cant think of any other solution. You get so worn down, so weary and fatigued that all you can think is that an end will be a blessing for both you and those around you. Its not clear thinking, its not correct or right in any way, shape or form but its the way the broken mind works in that situation.

I’m not excusing it, I’m just trying to show others that theres another side to the coin and that suicides are so very unwell and twisted that their minds arent working right

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

he took a .357

You don’t have to aim with a 357., but with a .44mag all you need is blanks! Dirt naps are not for me! I closed that door a long time ago, I’m lucky it closed with me on the living side, and not on the dead side. Suicide is a door to the other side you don’t want to open, wait it out, death will claim us all anyway, why pay the tole and not finish the trip? It’s worth it to stick around and see more of this hilarious knee slapping joke of a world we call life! Death has no reverse, life has alternate routes, endless possibilities, besides, I want to be around when everything s~~~s the bed! So I can laugh my f~~~ing b~~~~ off!

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