should we talk about suicide? (your thoughts please)

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Sorry guy’s but it looks like when the server went down this topic was lost so I’m just putting it up again.

Please post/repost your thoughts on whether it’s a place we should go bearing in mind that there maybe guy’s here that are suffering.

As I previously posted, I’ll give it a week and if the concensus is to go ahead, I’ll start a new thread with my thoughts/story.

There were suggestions that this should be a restricted and separate forum because of the subject and that is something for KM to comment on I would say.

So please post your thoughs and ideas. I know it’s a dark subject but maybe … done right and with love …. some light can be found.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

F~~~ suicide.

You can’t get revenge if you’re dead.

And the best revenge is to live well.

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

 

I have no opposition to to the topic, clearly suicide is not our goal but there can be value in the topic, we want men to be able to find worth in their own lives and interests rather than being destroyed by women and society, no sense in turning a blind eye to what one needs to be saved from.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

F~~~ suicide. You can’t get revenge if you’re dead. And the best revenge is to live well.

I didn’t think this topic could possibly be funny, but s~~~, I just laughed.

Very sorry this thread was lost. If it’s any consolation, I aged 5 years today from the stress. I did read it earlier and deflected responses to others.( Thanks for contacting and asking first if this is appropriate. )

I hit an all time low in 2009. It was so….. “grave”…… I thought I wouldn’t make it. Was stuck in another country. Company folded. Surprise firing for everyone. No papers or right to work. Lawyer fees nearly killed me. Nobody local to help or give a s~~~. To get away from it, I booked a weekend get-away to decompress, and at 1AM in the morning , in the middle of f~~~ing nowhere, without mobile reception, my car burst into flames, inside the car, while doing 80. Electrical fire, due to a stuck window switch. I grabbed my s~~~ and ran, because I thought it would explode. Watched my car burn.

For a moment, I actually believed there was some conspiracy in the universe working to destroy my ass. I was being tested.

When it all worked out in the wash a few weeks later, I was back to operational status. I remember pulling up to a red light and a homeless man was crossing the street with a cart of all his belongings in the world. I was deflated, because I realized , prior to that moment, I had even fewer rights than HIM. I wasn’t even “free”.

You can’t fall off the floor.

The following year was the best year ever. No bulls~~~.

Humor = tragedy + time.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

I mentioned it in another thread, but my brother’s suicide prompted me to finally become MGTOW after months of reading red pill material and thinking I could avoid the worst of relationships with women if I was careful enough. The gynocentric culture we live in can be completely unbearable for men, I understand that. I used to consider doing it myself when I was younger, convinced that I was worthless because women had no interest in me. I think it’s an important topic in a place like this for just that reason.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I had wrote a bit about a man I work for who’s 12 year old son attempted to hang himself..and posted this video by Spetsnaz..Then got the database error…

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

This one also had an impact on me.

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If there is any good that comes from that, it’s to f~~~ her and the system out of exploiting & collecting one more red cent from his labour, loyalty, dedication, and utility.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DilbertParticipant 281]

There are many paths that lead to the brink of suicide (I’ve been down some) but much fewer that lead away.  If I can help another man locate and traverse one of those  paths I consider it a reasonable investment of time and effort.  Especially since many of those paths also lead to MGTOW.

 

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

[Anonymous 1]

Should we talk about suicide?

Yes, please.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Should we?  Absolutely.  I think about it almost every day, and I’m not even a veteran NOR have I been married.  I’m just making so little financially that it’s ridiculously tough to get by.  I’m an impatient bugger, and want success to happen…but it seems like my life in the past 8 years or so has gone nowhere.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

To be or not to be, that is the question. – Hamlet

There is only one really serious philosophical question, and that is suicide – Albert Camus

Suicide is complicated and happens for many reasons, all of which I do not consider to be unhealthy. Better to take your own life than to be captured and tortured, for instance. As sensei said: “you always leave a bullet in the clip”.

Healthy men in their prime taking their life for no apparent reason(it almost always has to do with a woman), I do consider a tragedy and just shows you how toxic these relationships can be. I had a friend kill himself. Most of my guy friends agreed it was over his battle ax of a wife and his soon to be estranged from family. He was always laughing, the life of the party, and you would not have thought anything was wrong – until you are looking at him in the casket. Shot himself.

[MitzrealParticipant 76]

I think it is critical that we have these discussions, many men including myself who come to mgtow are already depressed and in a dark place. I know that when I was a teenager I tried to kill myself twice and still have intrusive thoughts so its good to hear from brothers like you. If having a thread on it can help even one brother out of the darkness it will be worth it being sticky for all time.

[narwhalParticipant]

I believe suicide is very much a medical issue.  In some regards, I’m lucky that even though I suffer depression from time to time, I never have suicidal thoughts, I just don’t feel like doing anything .  My father died around the same time my ex asked for separation, and that was easily my darkest days.  Never had a suicidal thought.  I was prescribed mediation though, and that was extremely helpful.  (ironically, one of the symptoms I had was forgetting to pay my Dr bill, which my Dr knew was out of character for me).  I’ve thought about going back on the medication lately since I seem to be more forgetful and less exited about life in general, but another part of me wants to tuff it out.

My experience with suicidal friends is rather limited to 1 or 2, and only females.  These women had absolutely ridiculous thought processes and reasons for their suicide attempts, and I have no idea how different a man would be.  For anyone who is seriously thinking about suicide, don’t rely on a message board to pull you from the edge.  If at all possible, seek medical/professional help.

 

Ok. Then do it.

[DilbertParticipant 281]

narwhal wrote:

I believe suicide is very much a medical issue.

I think there can be a medical/biological component but that it is primarily mental health/emotional based.  Killing yourself is a rational idea only in limited scenarios.  Like where death is inevitable and prolonging it may be very painful.

In my personal experience the hardest part was believing there was a real way out or viable alternatives.  I would think the hardest situation would be where you find no meaning/purpose in existence.

It is for very good reasons the Devil chose to tempt Eve not Adam...

[Anonymous 9]

I don’t have any thoughts on suicide. I’m not a depressed person for the most part. I may get a little down here and there, but nothing extreme to where I’d even consider taking my own life.

Are you a heavy drinker?

If so, I would definitely cut back on drinking to give your brain time to heal.

Smoke some weed. It’ll help you out. At least that’s what I do.

 

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

F~~~ suicide.

You can’t get revenge if you’re dead.

And the best revenge is to live well.

Ditto.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 9]

Yeah man, this thread in itself is kind of depressing.

There’s too much to enjoy in life once you look past some of the negatives we experience. All of it is just a passing experience that we’ll soon forget about as we engage with the next fulfilling moment of our lives.

Seriously man, and I don’t know if one has any underlying medical condition, aside from debilitating depression which makes them contemplate suicide, but I’ll say it again – smoke some weed.

Get high. That’s one of the great pleasures in life. All natural forms of getting high though; none of that synthetic s~~~.

If you’re seriously considering suicide, and you go to your doctor they’re going to prescribe you a pharmaceutical with serious side effects that’ll make you feel even worse than you did before if you do decide to quit taking them.

 

[narwhalParticipant]

@gllahone84

I’m not exactly sure who you’re talking to.  For me, the meds I took had no side effects although I’m sure many do.  I doubt weed would be much help.  I have limited exposure so I can’t say for sure.  Not a heavy drinker.  Although medical help isn’t perfect and might not help at all, it is certainly better then internet advice.  Not saying drugs are the answer to everything, but professionals know what they are doing and are best to get you off the ledge.

When you are in a financial situation where you see no way out, you’ve lost a loved one, the one who promised she would love you ever tells you she is moving on and taking the kids with her, when you’ve been diagnosed with cancer…that’s not a negative, a passing experience you will soon forget about.  You can’t look for the next fulfilling moment when it doesn’t seem like they are possible anymore.

Ok. Then do it.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

This is a topic that hits very close to home for me. I’ve attempted to kill myself once already and come within hairs breadths of trying again on multiple occasions.

There were a number of things that led to my attempt and I’m not going to go into them since they involve confidences I’d rather not break but suffice to say that there was too much on my plate, for too long and without respite. My mind was worn down with stress, anguish and anxiety.

Its been years since the attempt and yet I remember it with crystal clarity. I probably always will. I remember the build up, and also the absolute emotional high I was on once I’d made up my mind to end it. Before that day I had been contemplating it, wishing for it but not active about it.

Its very difficult to describe adequately, but the bone-deep weariness and utter exhaustion was relentless and I just wanted it all to just end. My mind could simply not comprehend a life where things got better. It could not imagine continuing as things were and the thought of living would bring my broken mind to tears. Its a glitch in the brain, when a human can consider the end of their life without the initial internal rebellion against the idea; intrinsic human nature doesnt consider death and will push the body to live through the most grievous of injuries and so when I read or hear about a suicide I understand all too well what it is to have a broken mind.

There is no quick and easy answer to depression, drugs work for some but exacerbate it for others. Talking works for some but not for others. What I do freely admit is that the label of depression is handed out too quickly and too often. It is used as an excuse and an emotional weapon by too many.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[Anonymous 9]

narwhal wrote:

@gllahone84 I’m not exactly sure who you’re talking to. For me, the meds I took had no side effects although I’m sure many do. I doubt weed would be much help. I have limited exposure so I can’t say for sure. Not a heavy drinker. Although medical help isn’t perfect and might not help at all, it is certainly better then internet advice. Not saying drugs are the answer to everything, but professionals know what they are doing and are best to get you off the ledge. When you are in a financial situation where you see no way out, you’ve lost a loved one, the one who promised she would love you ever tells you she is moving on and taking the kids with her, when you’ve been diagnosed with cancer…that’s not a negative, a passing experience you will soon forget about. You can’t look for the next fulfilling moment when it doesn’t seem like they are possible anymore.

Just speaking in general. Not directly to you.

I hope everything works out for you, but professionals putting you on prescription meds is not always the right thing.

I’ve been in similar situations, but think about all of the people that you’ll leave behind that care for you? It may not seem like it now, but there are people in your life who actually care for you, and even if you don’t talk to them on a daily or monthly basis, you have people that may end up in a similar state because of you taking your own life.

It doesn’t just stop with you taking your own life. Others left behind will end up suffering also.

 

 

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