Rollo Tomassi : MGTOW is a pragmatic response

[AFTParticipant 2722]

The latest article by the “Rational Male”, Rollo Tomassi titled “THE SOMETHING ELSE”, spells out how MGTOW is a pragmatic response.

It revolves around a comment “I do blow hours on my XBox, but even if modern graphics weren’t amazing and there was no XBox, I’d find something else.”

https://therationalmale.com/2016/10/21/the-something-else/

I particularly enjoyed these passages:

“What they refuse to acknowledge is: If it wasn’t X-Box it would be something else.

Countless guys do this already, because on some level of consciousness they get that the cost-to-benefit equation isn’t rewarding with women.”

“Thus, we have generations of Men in the Garage who feel some desperate need to claw out a tiny space where they’re free to be men in a home they own.”

“we have married men who’d rather become “workaholics” and pour themselves into their careers rather than rush home to the minimal reward that his wife represents, the negligible appreciation for him as a man or, at best, his answering to the male indenturement that he was taught he should find intrinsically rewarding. Instead, work becomes his something else that he occupies himself with.

And thus, we have men who’ve bought into the feminine-primary conditioning that their highest sense of reward ought to be found in fulfilling the ideals of Fempowerment who instead find that women’s solipsism and their own, life-long approach to appeasing it has instead driven them to find that something else more intrinsically and/or extrinsically rewarding.

It’s not just “lost boys” staring at X-Box, smoking weed and snapping their radish to free porn, those are just young guys being pragmatic in solving the cost-to-reward equation women give them. But married men, men of all walks of life, are solving that equation for themselves now. They’re forced to solve an equation presented to them by women who feel entitled to having their Hypergamous natures optimized and appeased, with no insight as to how disposable men might adapt to their conditions.

These aren’t lost ‘boys’, they are mature, relatively accomplished men responding to their condition.

Men are deductive problem solvers. Our mental firmware will consciously or unconsciously make attempts to solve problems within the context of what we consciously or unconsciously have presented for us. Blue Pill conditioned bloggers, distraught over the ‘lost boys’, aren’t concerned with these guys’ making something of themselves. What they White Knight over is the lack of suitable husbands to join them in their own indenturement. That, or they fret over the possibility that their empowered daughters might not have a suitable Beta ready to marry her once she’s “found herself” at the end of the Epiphany Phase. They argue from the feminine-correct perspective they’ve only ever known. Complacency, like misery, loves company, especially when it confirms the rationales men use in their own denial.

These pearl-clutching Vichy men can’t see the disincentives of forming long-term monogamous bonds with women that their ‘drop out’ generation boys are just pragmatically avoiding. It is indeed a form of Soft MGTOW, but what’s harder for these manginas to acknowledge is the Soft MGTOW that’s been a part of modern marriage for four decades now.“

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 42]

Ya mean MGTOW isn’t a bunch of cellar dweller Xbox fapping monkeys wiping their dicks on the curtains? Gee, how about that?

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Anonymous wrote:

wiping their dicks on the curtains

What do you have against wiping dicks on curtains?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 42]

AFT wrote:

What do you have against wiping dicks on curtains?

My own curtains? YUCK!

Their curtains? No problemo….

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Anonymous wrote:

Their curtains? No problemo….

Is there anywhere better after you’ve taken her ass to mouth?

But seriously

I enjoy reading the positive stuff about men, God knows there’s not that much of it around, and Rollo really is objective in spelling out the truth, he is logical and methodical, and he spells out the Pragmatism of MGTOW like no other.

I particularly noted the insight of Soft MGTOW that’s been a part of modern marriage for four decades now.

Think about it, a “successful marriage” is one where the man gets a s~~~ hole man cave in the back yard shed, where he can be alone in piece and quite.

But a single man with the entire house to himself is somehow an unsuccessful basement dwelling virgin?

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Tao-SkyParticipant 129]

I’m a newbie here, I’ve had a lot of relationships (just out of a single mother loser one). I’m getting better and pulling the plug earlier (three months and I was out when the red flags went up).

I’m not playing Xbox. I hold down a six figure job in Cybersecurity, I’m about to get my masters, 15 year Buddhist and Taoist, good son, play in a band. I just realize women are trouble.

And everything I’ve read here makes perfect sense, I was soured on women a long time ago but my desires at times get the best of me I’ll admit.

Most of the married guys in my office have some form of complaints about their wives – one guy outright doesn’t want to work in the place and describes his experience as walking into the salt mines each day. I have no relationship and never married because I never found a women who was a winning equation. Thank god im not stuck with child payments and working my ass off for nothing to show for it every two weeks – I’m saving a bundle for my free future.

I think it’s more what the poster said, miserable married guys want company and beta ones are outright passed at middle age guys like me with a bank account I spend as I wish, no attachments and no child support.

I think in the coming decades more men will realize the losing gamble a marriage is and women will be forced to make their own way – then they’ll realize how hard it is – life.

[Anonymous 42]

AFT wrote:

Is there anywhere better after you’ve taken her ass to mouth

Her soft cotton sheets, rayon fibers are too rough on my dick!

P.S. and rayon doesn’t absorb as good…

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Tao-Sky wrote:

I think in the coming decades more men will realize the losing gamble a marriage is and women will be forced to make their own way – then they’ll realize how hard it is – life.

That is becoming a glaring observation, and f~~~ them, they deserve every bit of “life” they get.

They’ve got the fairy-tale for long enough now.

Anonymous wrote:

Her soft cotton sheets, rayon fibers are too rough on my dick!

P.S. and rayon doesn’t absorb as good…

Ahh Mgtower your wisdom is inspiring.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 42]

AFT wrote:

fairy-tale

[Anonymous 3]

What a waste of time. No man should ever be justifying themselves to another man. If another man seeks to insult you, and force you on the defensive, just punch him in the face. Do that to enough men and they will all shut up, because only weaklings and cowards obsess over other men’s activities.

Nobody with actual power or integrity will do so.

Look at your average mangina. They are out of shape, physically unappealing, weak, and lack intelligence. They supplicate to females and attack other men, that’s all they know. They attack because just like women, they have nothing else but are protected from consequence. But unlike women, they actually aren’t nearly as protected as they think.

If you punch a guy in the jaw that harasses you, more than likely you will get away with it. And he will stop, and so will everyone else because word always gets around. So either walk away or physically escalate, but don’t bother being weak and defensive.

[TuneoutParticipant]

Let them think we’re losers,better than successful goal orientated men – cause instead of ignoring us,they’ll all be out to try and convert/enslave us.

No,no I’m just a poor loser with no money,honey.

Sorry

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

If another man seeks to insult you, and force you on the defensive, just punch him in the face. Do that to enough men and they will all shut up, because only weaklings and cowards obsess over other men’s activities.

Phoenix, I do like the cut of your jib.

This tracks a quote from one of my favorite philosophers:

“Everyone has a plan ’till they get punched in the mouth.” Mike Tyson

[Anonymous 3]

I think it’s interesting to point out there was no such thing as marital rape prior to the 1970s. After that, states started to make it illegal, until 1993 when it was illegal in all states.

I think when, if, government ever truly worries about birth rates, this is one of the many laws that will have to get rolled back.

But I honestly think it’s too late, at least for most of the older generations. It’s actually pointless for women over 30 to get married if birth rates are an issue, as their fertility is so low to begin with. Wasting more resources on older women is probably not going to happen. Instead the focus will be on 16-23 year old women getting married and having kids.

It probably won’t even happen right away then, but will have to be a generation or two down, erasing the damage feminism has caused and resetting on a new population that doesn’t know better. Similar to how credit and social security really didn’t take off until older populations before it came to be. The State further encroaches on people today, but again, it needs older people to die off first before it can trick people into thinking what we have today is natural, and get people to accept it.

Freedom has been eroded over time, 100 years ago the world was different, now almost everyone is a slave. Slaves that don’t even get guaranteed room and board. A type of slavery that somehow managed to be even worse than the first US slavery.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

AFT wrote:

But a single man with the entire house to himself is somehow an unsuccessful basement dwelling virgin?

I reclaim the custom title of “unsuccessful boat dwelling small-dicked immature asshole” 😀
I cannot say that I’m a virgin, not with 4 children, and since both my houses are good then the worst place were I spent some nights during an year is exactly my boat 😀
Worth noting that my former partner used the same arguments when she blackmailed me trying to force me starting cohabiting with her: “I make my own f~~~ing money!” and “You’ll end dying all alone!” – here it’s Italy, not USA, it’s really surprisingly that the arguments are exactly the same!
Well, the most funny part is that she even yelled: “your look will fade!” 😀
S~~~, I’m a man, 43 yo, I look at least 10 years younger, she’s 37 and she looks younger than her age, too, but well, we’ll see when I’ll be 53 and she’ll be 47… 😀

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Anonymous wrote:

I think it’s interesting to point out there was no such thing as marital rape prior to the 1970s. After that, states started to make it illegal, until 1993 when it was illegal in all states.

I think when, if, government ever truly worries about birth rates, this is one of the many laws that will have to get rolled back.

It isn’t going to happen.
Regarding the west, taking in like in a vacuum (and I know that’s wrong, I’m just making hypothesis) that’s the expected future:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_the_Future
As you can see, MGTOW perfectly fits in such narrative, and even the “liberal” version of the feminists have its place. Not so much the radfems…
This kind of future is about most people being single, the end of marriage, most sex being cybersex or purely virtual sex (the former with real persons but without physical presence, the latter human-machine interactions).

The part of your view that are really, really worthy are the parts about the influence of non-western people, especially muslims. I fail to take that in account, I prefer to ignore it because it isn’t measurable and it’s very hard to bet about it.
However, just a little hint
http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm
N. 4: Seychelles, muslim country – they say females are 43.8% of the Parliament.
They were.
There have been elections last month.
Now females are 7-in-33: 21%.
No even the world bank have upgraded the situation, but it’s a significant change: it’s from 14-in-32 to 7-in-33, it isn’t something like a very little drop like it would have been 12 or 13-in-33: a similar drop would haven’t signalled a trend, but this kind of drop can be a trend…

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

I like Rollo’s take on Soft-MGTOW. Reminds me of that expression –

Single guys come home, look at what’s in the fridge, and go to bed.
Married guys come home, look atwhat’s in bed, and go to the fridge.

By Rollo’s definition, many of the partnered men in my circles are Soft-MGTOW. They do the daily grind, surrender most of their pay to the wife and kids, and use what little is left to escape the wife/girlfriend as much as possible with fishing trips, gaming, camping, tinkering in the shed, DIY, motorbiking or being workaholics in their businesses. Apart from a meal together and rare bout of bumping-uglies, many live separate lives from their partners. They essentially just live under the same roof in a sham of relationship ‘for-the-sake-of-the kids’.

Many Soft-MGTOW are awake to the s~~~ty deal they get in marriage and relationships, but are reluctant to tear-off the plaster and go Full-MGTOW because of the perceived financial, family and societal ramifications and the strength of the blue-pill programming within the geocentric matrix – a matrix perpetuated by mainstream media;
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The result? Most men living lives of quiet desperation ….
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#ManOut

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

AFT wrote:

Men are deductive problem solvers. Our mental firmware will consciously or unconsciously make attempts to solve problems within the context of what we consciously or unconsciously have presented for us.

I never read thought of it that way until I read that. Before I took the Red Pill almost two years ago, I was fighting for a tiny corner in a four-bedroom, two story with a basement, while footing the bill for it all.

Now, any car I want I buy or rent. I take at least one Red Pill getaway trip a year; Red Pill or MGTOW men only. I’m taking better care of myself and stress is much less due to less fcuks to give.

Thank God for the Red Pill.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

MGTOW is a ruthlessly pragmatic response. They can point and call names all they want, bottom line is that they’re pushing more and more men to go their own way every day. Women are NOT worth it, and whether they like it or not they are become even less worth it by the minute.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

AFT wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍoʇ wrote:
wiping their dicks on the curtains
What do you have against wiping dicks on curtains?

AFT wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍoʇ wrote:
wiping their dicks on the curtains
What do you have against wiping dicks on curtains?

But…what if you have blinds, and not curtains.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

I’ve said it here before: Going Your Own Way is just common sense for men.

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