Religion

[WallyParticipant]

I don’t want this topic to be a question of belief or not and simply want opinions of other believers, not necessarily of Christ but including a belief in a higher power. Since deciding to go my own way I have at times seen my religious beliefs argue with my MGTOW understandings. I recently attended a series or lessons on marriage misconceptions and one similar themes that I had heard before was that marriage isn’t necessarily about happiness in the beginning but about holiness which will lead to happiness. Honestly, I’m surprised that the divorce rate isn’t even higher after thinking about this. Such an idea requires patience, understanding, and commitment. A little background, my grandfather was married 7 times and I saw the sadness my father went through with my mom, and I have seen the subtle manipulative ways of the women I have dated without going through marriage. My conflict comes in why God or the higher power created women the way they are? They can be so short sighted and have such a complete misunderstanding of Men, it’s no wonder we are turning away from marriage, it really is playing Russian Roulette with one empty chamber. Perhaps he explains this in the Bible and I need to explore this between the lines more. Or perhaps I am full of it and am over thinking this. If that is the case feel free to tell me so.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[RoyDalParticipant]

Women are the way they are because their behavior maximizes their reproductive capabilities. Or, it did in the Stone Age. Their ancestors passed their behavior traits down to them. They are genetically programmed to be the way they are. So are we men. The ones that were not successful breeders do not have descendants living today.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[RebalancedParticipant 346]

The bible says ‘the son shall not bear the inequity (sin) of the father’ which is irreconcilable with the belief of ‘a sin’ passed down to subsequent generations.

I don't need pussy

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Wally wrote:

My conflict comes in why God or the higher power created women the way they are? They can be so short sighted and have such a complete misunderstanding of Men,

Short sighted – a trait that can all too often be found in men.

I have to tell you I could write a multi-page essay about this. So I’m just going to vomit some ideas down in no real coherent fashion.

Their misunderstanding comes from being trained in single-parent (just the mother) homes that have taught, either through example or direct lesson, to use the government and men to their own advantage.

Men and women had productive relationships for hundred of thousands of years. Women are designed to be dependent upon men. They have entered the work force, IN PART, because there are now professions, new and old, that don’t involve getting dirty, physical labor, or have the very real possibility of death or injury..

A single girl/woman get pregnant today because they just may be unconsciously exercising their need to be dependent upon men. The problem is that men aren’t interested in them any more. So they will shop lift some man’s DNA, become pregnant and say “You have to take care of me now”. When that fails, they go to the government, the new men in the lives of women in today’s society, and say “You have to take care of me now”.

The part they REALLY have forgotten, or at least society tells them they don’t have to be bothered with, is reciprocity.

For the service that men provide. Material, financial, emotional, women have an equal responsibility to provide the same in return.

They have been taught that relationships don’t have a reciprocal nature. So by this observation, it could be said that they have become immature. So while women guilt trip men with “manning up”, and telling everyone about the “laddish behavior” found in young men today you could say the same about them. When in a relationship they need to ‘strap on their big-girl panties and cowgirl up”, and that their ‘brattish behavior’ is the single biggest impediment to a productive relationship.

Now the logic part. Imagine the perfect world in which women behave like mature adults in a relationship. They make their men the emotional and physical priority in their lives. Whether they have jobs or not isn’t even part of the equation. You raise a family with this woman and go on to enjoy your dotage with her. Laws have been changed that judges everyone equally and equitably in a divorce. Legal and social practices have expanded to include men who are victims or at extremis.

You’re still going to have less money, resources, and have a shorter life span than a MGHOW.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[MENGINEERParticipant 583]

Marriage is one of the holy sacraments such as baptism which fulfills one of your quirements here on Earth. Something I vaguely remember from Sunday classes as a child.

Women in general are more hormonal, emotional, and less stable than men..to think that God will make you stay with the same woman for your entire life speaks volumes to me. It surely isn’t about your happiness in that doctrine!

People get tired of the same person in a very short time day in day out. Another reason I don’t subscribe to monotheistics dogmas.

[UntamedParticipant]

God created Humans with Free Will. That means our actions, thoughts and words reflect upon ourselves and not the creator. Throughout human history, there have been men willing to make great sacrifices in their lives to show us the way and lead us to a better, higher form of existence. Not by words or parables that are only tools to higher understanding, but by their way of life. Among many truths, they have shown that women can rapidly be a stumbling block for man when his zeal and bravado overpowers his wisdom. The famous Samson and Dalilah story clearly demonstrates that and is one of my favourite passage in the Bible.
Women will always be secondary to Men, if only by the fact that female was fashioned from male. You can ponder and turn this any which way you’re able to but “a rib from Adam” speaks volume and that aspect of the gender war is what it really comes down to in my opinion. With the retreat of a God-based fundamental education, Panteism has infiltrated our society, with man-made laws in direct contradiction to the order set up by the Creator in the beginning.
If Man won’t clean his house up, higher powers will do it for him and I don’t see how that end well.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[megatoad69Participant 449]

Oh boy, you guys!
You know how an engine works? There are little leprechauns inside your piston cylinders and when they drink gas. they get rowdy they push each other around, then the leprechauns are getting tossed against the piston and this pushes the piston up the cylinder. The smoke you see is the leprechauns that are in the audience smoking their pipes and when the gas pedal is pressed the fighting increases and the smokers puff harder due to all the excitement.

When the gas is all gone, the leprechauns go to bed until the next shipment of drink arrives.

Do you believe this is what happens?
I do, and if you don’t you’ll be stripped of your pipe, your shalalee and your pot of gold.

This is the kind of story you get when people don’t understand stuff, and make s~~~ up. That is called Mythology.

Evolution people!

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Megatoad: That is all quite true, but you forgot to add that the leprechauns are invisible, so we can’t see them. I did want to know why the leprechauns don’t leave a green coke deposit on the pistons, instead of a black deposit? Is that because the evil Dark Leprechaun is trying to deceive me?

I take it that adding Tetra Ethyl Lead calms the leprechauns down so the pistons don’t get knocked so bad? But then they belch it out into the air with the smoke and we get sick?

Also, what percent of my income do I need to tithe to join your church? If it’s less than 10%, I’m considering it a good deal relative to my other options for everlasting salvation.

Am I required to pray facing the nearest rainbow? What other devotional requirements do you have?

[megatoad69Participant 449]

Master Chaun sayeth;

-Well, you must let women be c~~~s.
-Do nothing about the starving kids in the world.
-Killers and cruel bastards go to the rainbow, just believe in the green way.
-Create leprechauns, tell them they can’t eat the green fruit that was created to temp them knowing they will, then you cast them into the giant pipe bowl where they burn forever that was also created by master chaun.
-Then Master Chaun, sends down himself, in the form of his son, to be sacrificed unto himself, to appease himself, so the great BBQ’s that quash sin can be discontinued, better to do that than just say, f~~~ it, I forgive your original sin, that’s too easy.
-That’s a Chaun job.

Stop trying to figure out modern man through mythology!

Science! It explains a lot of s~~~!

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[megatoad69Participant 449]

Oh, and Thor loves you, he’ll smack you silly with his love hammer!

(Please don’t tell me you guys don’t believe in Thor?!?! )

Apollo?
Zeus?
Poseidon?
Teteoinan?
Ra?

C’mon guys, you don’t believe in any of those guys?
Why not?
People have put their life on the line for those gods!

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Megatoad: I, for one, am traveling to Iceland to worship Thor. You can call it hedging my bets, you cynic you, but maybe really I just like those red cloaks? And some of those pagan chicks are pretty wild! They’re opening a new temple for Him, after a short 1,000 year hiatus. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/03/how-thousands-of-icelanders-started-worshiping-the-norse-gods-again/

Now, I gotta ask, is the ‘Asatru Association’ that runs this meant to be a funny name? Some may have forgotten Him but the new temple should bring worshipers.

To answer your question, people don’t believe in dead Gods anymore because there is no political or social advantage to do so. People don’t choose religions; they become the same religion as whatever is practiced by their parents, social group, culture, etc.

My favorite religions: Pastafarianism, Scientology, and Mormonism. How about yours?

I find them interesting to study because what they reveal about beliefs in their cultures and the interplay between religion and politics.

Praise Xenu

[megatoad69Participant 449]

My Pastafarian Pastor is Matt Dillahunty.
He’s on YouTube.

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[Anonymous 5]

megatoad69 wrote:

Oh boy, you guys!
You know how an engine works? There are little leprechauns inside your piston cylinders and when they drink gas. they get rowdy they push each other around, then the leprechauns are getting tossed against the piston and this pushes the piston up the cylinder. The smoke you see is the leprechauns that are in the audience smoking their pipes and when the gas pedal is pressed the fighting increases and the smokers puff harder due to all the excitement.

When the gas is all gone, the leprechauns go to bed until the next shipment of drink arrives.

Do you believe this is what happens?
I do, and if you don’t you’ll be stripped of your pipe, your shalalee and your pot of gold.

This is the kind of story you get when people don’t understand stuff, and make s~~~ up. That is called Mythology.

Evolution people!

There are no leprechauns in the bible so that couldn’t possibly be true.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Anonymous wrote:

**** Wrote: There are no leprechauns in the bible so that couldn’t possibly be true.

There are in the Irish translation.

Burn you heretic! Chaun WILL punish you.

[megatoad69Participant 449]

Anonymous wrote:

There are no leprechauns in the bible so that couldn’t possibly be true.

It’s a true story I just made up.

A Parable?

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[Anonymous 5]

FrankOne wrote:

There are in the Irish translation.

Burn you heretic! Chaun WILL punish you.

pffft,,,, there’s no hell, only the realm of Hades

[megatoad69Participant 449]

FrankOne wrote:

Burn you heretic! Chaun WILL punish you.

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[EntropyParticipant 902]

Wally wrote:

I don’t want this topic to be a question of belief or not and simply want opinions of other believers

Uhhh… wrong forum?

Dont get me wrong, I’m not here to fight…

…and I really don’t want to have to be this guy…

…but this is basically saying:

“Oh crap, I mentally ran face-first into one of the THOUSANDS of inexplicable contradictions in my religion… and i need reassurance that ignoring my common sense and blindly following this man-made book of stories is still the right thing to do… so please don’t respond unless your answer defies all logic and will pacify me without challenging my beliefs”

(Yes, I know the time I took to write that was a waste, but maybe you’ll be the first person to free himself from the prison of “faith” and my life will have meant something after all)

"Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves" -BBR

[UntamedParticipant]

Making fun of believers isn’t gonna get rid of religion nor is it going to disprove the existence of a supreme being, and disrespecting ancestral customs on which our civilisation was built isn’t very “evolved” of you, it’s rather childish.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Since deciding to go my own way I have at times seen my religious beliefs argue with my MGTOW understandings. I recently attended a series or lessons on marriage misconceptions and one similar themes that I had heard before was that marriage isn’t necessarily about happiness in the beginning but about holiness which will lead to happiness.

Im sincerely confused about your religious beliefs, MGTOW, and what your question is.

Even the Apostle Paul said it is better for one to remain single *IF* they can abstain from sex, in I Corinthians

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion

Youre other point/question

My conflict comes in why God or the higher power created women the way they are?

Anyone who believes in God could ask this question about ANYTHING under the sun, and it would meet the same response:

God created mankind with free will becase he didnt want mindless automatons worshiping him. Mankind sinned against Gods will, and God cursed the earth because of its perversions.

Specifically to your question: it was never Gods intention to have women to be deceitful and attepmt to rule over man.

As God pronounces judgment on Eve for her part of the transgression in Eden, He says, “Your desirewill be for your husband, and he will rule over you” (Genesis 3:16)…

The Hebrew word for “desire” here literally means to rule over. So in the curse, now a woman wants to rule her husband.

God is saying that Eve would desire to rule over her husband,

but her husband would instead rule over her. Replacing the mutually interdependent relationship the Lord had created was a desire for one spouse to lead the other. Sin had wrought discord.

The battle of the sexes had begun.

Both man and woman would now seek the upper hand in marriage. The man who was to lovingly care for and nurture his wife would now seek to rule her, and the wife would desire to wrest control from her husband.

Personally, I believe that we are at such a PERVERSE place in human history, that women LITERALLY ruling over men is taking place. Womens sluttery and promiscuous behavior, gay marriages and the killing of babies and selling their body parts are viewed as “human RIGHTS” of the perpetrators of those crimes and not the victims. Those are examples of how perverse of a society we have become.

So to answer your question: this is a result of mans sin, how perverse weve become as a society, and not the way God intended it. Were living through it and watching the decay and its consequences while others are parading around CELABRATING it like some acheivement.

Resident cynic.

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