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Keep in mind that, if the roles were reversed and YOU were the one without a job, she would probably not only refuse your invite for dinner and label you creepy, but have one of her white knight friends to intimidate you if she felt like it.
I can’t upvote this enough. If this doesn’t make the situation obvious enough, nothing will.
She asked you to dinner? What does that even mean. In this case you could play stupid: “Dinner? Wonderful! I haven’t had a home cooked meal that I didn’t prepare myself in AGES! That would be wonderful. Thanks. I’ll bring dessert. And what time should i be there?”.
Ah KeyMaster… priceless. This is f~~~ing hilarious. I’m sure she would be broadsided by this, pun intended, why don’t you send this to her after you engaged her in texts and see how long she takes to respond.
Well, my MGTOW brethren, I think I played my cards right.
We had originally set a date night for Friday evening (last night). Because she was recently fired, she turned our original date night (which was set for last night) into a going-away party and rescheduled our date for Wednesday night. She invited many people, and 10 or so of my male coworkers showed up for her going-away at a bar in town.
While at the going-away party, she and I interacted frequently and my assessment of her was slowly climbing. Positive Points. Drinks were flowing and once we had dinner, the AWALT began.
She became very flirty with pretty much everyone who would pay her any attention. I could feel the tension between all of us as she darted from seat to seat. One of my coworkers had gotten pretty sloshed, and was starting to get a little…handsy. She didn’t tell him to back off, or put up any boundaries as he continued to act very amorously. My opinion of her was now high enough to go on the date on Wednesday, but had leveled-off there. No Points.
The party group decided to go for drinks at a different bar, and I was sent ahead to grab a table. The few minutes walking alone in the cool night air really helped to clear my head. I came to the realization that if she acts poorly at all in the next few hours, I would not go on the date.
Everyone arrives at the bar and we grab some seats at the bar counter. She is up against the bar, ordering a drink, and a cheeky coworker of mine grabs a bar stool and sits directly behind her. She giggled and began grinding in his lap. For minutes. My friend looked at me with shocked wide eyes, confused. Negative Points.
We shuffle seats for a while and she ends up sitting next to me, with a good friend of mine on the other side of me. She leaned in and, in a whisper, asked me “Has <your friend> *ever* been on a date?” in a very condescending and judgmental tone. I looked her straight in the eyes and simply said “Yes.” and turned away from her. Negative Points.
Finally, the evening is coming to a close, I’m pretty annoyed at this time. She leaned in close again and brought up the date on Wednesday night. I asked “are we still on for Wednesday night?” She recoiled slightly. “Is Wednesday night a *date*?!” she asked in disbelief. “I was in a relationship until yesterday, you know.” I kept my cool, but came very close to screaming “WHAT?!” at the top of my lungs. I had no idea. She had been EXTREMELY flirtatious for *months* at this point. Negative Points, deal utterly broken.
So, I am going to bail on the ‘date’ on Wednesday night. Suggestions on the best way to tell her? I don’t want to stand her up, because I decent guy. I figure 24-hours notice is enough. Thoughts?
"There is no bad weather; only wrong clothes." ~ Scandinavian saying "I'm happy to see that the U.S. is abandoning the savagery and lies of religion more and more each year. I'm sad to see that politics and feelings are taking religions' place." ~ Me "Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. And, above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty." ~ OldBill
Suggestions on the best way to tell her?
Oh that’s easy. Do it directly and honestly: “I have worked out it is not worth my time pursuing any relationship with you, professional or otherwise. I wish you well in your future endeavors, whoever they might be. Goodbye.” *click*
You are not going to ever see this woman again, so why make up some story to preserve her feelings? You’ve already wasted enough of your valuable time on her as it is.
I figure 24-hours notice is enough.
I figure two hours notice is more than enough. Or just stand her up and tell her the above when she calls to complain. And if she doesn’t call, don’t bother calling her to tell her anything. She is not worth your time, and you do not owe her any explanations.
My assessment: there were so many invitations, and actual and potential RSVP’s to the dinner invitations, that she couldn’t keep them all straight. Or, she worried that by the time she got halfway down her list, the bottom half would have already gotten word from the top half what she was doing. So, she scheduled one party that would put everyone in the same room at the same time and she could choose a target of opportunity. ‘Sounds like she chose your friend to grind on. Asking you if he’s ever been on a date was just her half drunk brain trying to get a reading on how effective that grinding was likely to be.
As for being in a relationship until the previous day: the recent relationship didn’t stop her from grinding her ass on your friend. Why would it stop her from going on a date with you? And as for the ending of that relationship? That’s an easy one.
The relationship ended because the man in it with her was asked by her if he would move her in and support her while she looked for another job. That man is better informed than you, me, and everyone else here about exactly what this girl had to offer, and what she would cost. That very well informed man declined that offer, or he would still be in the relationship. Like I said before: this is not about ego now. She HAS to find a producer to support her now. She can’t afford to have a relationship with a guy who is not producing for her, because that relationship will get in the way of finding someone who will.
Knowing this very well informed guy declined, why would you take that offer? If you would not, what’s the point of going on the date? If you want to be a ‘decent’ guy about it, get out of the way as quick as you can so she can more easily find that producer without your date getting in the way. Tell her quickly so she can have time to set up some other target to grind her ass on…
Or, alternatively: go on the date, buy her a drink and let her grind her ass on you for a while, and then tip her 20$. Any decent guy in a strip club usually tips that amount for a lap dance, right? I predict that if she doesn’t find a producer soon, that will be where her rent comes from next month.
She’s already started practicing her skills…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
@kingofthesea, that video is a gem beyond price!
@The Ludophile, I would take BrainPilot’s advice, only I would take it one step farther and go to the strip club in the first place — bypass Ms Former Coworker. At least, strippers are honest about being gold diggers so you know what you are getting in for.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Well, she’s obviously playing you for free food, then has the nerve to f~~~ing flake when she asks you out for dinner? She should have a concrete time and date and should pay. Food is just beginning, after that it will be gifts, favors, etc.
Who cares if you’re being rude? Tell her to stick it up her ass. Also, don’t talk to women at work about anything but work, you’ll be better off in the long run. The sooner you stop being polite to these entitled bitches with their perma-scowls an noses in their f~~~ing phones, the better off you’re going to be. The red pill is hard to swallow in the beginning. Eventually, you’ll be able to walk by a woman burning to death in her car and giggle.
Don’t get down on yourself, just because you don’t fit into some myopic, narrow view of what women consider attractive doesn’t mean you’re not. True attractiveness comes from withing, that’s why 9’s and 10’s become 3’s the minute they open their wretched mouths.
Stay strong. Keep your money for you. Hang in there brother.
Fuck this planet.hit it, quit it, park stop it, neutral slam it, run it through all the gears, ans leave it on the lot where you found it (tm Terrence Popp)
GONORRHEA! YEAH!…..no.
Fuck this planet.So, I am going to bail on the ‘date’ on Wednesday night. Suggestions on the best way to tell her? I don’t want to stand her up, because I decent guy. I figure 24-hours notice is enough. Thoughts?
Yeah, be a prick stand her ass up! That is assuming she doesn’t ditch on you first which is highly likely. You have already assessed that she is a completely hypergamous jizz receptacle. Do you really think she is deserving of any consideration after jerking your chain like that? Either stand her up OR make it crystal clear that you will just order a pizza in and she can floss afterwards with your nut hair. That’s really the only way to play the situation at this point. Either hit the eject button with extreme prejudice now or get a nut first then eject her.
BTW, BrainPilot was spot on with his initial assessment. Wimmen are pretty f~~~ing transparent if you pay attention.
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...You could stand her up, and later tell her that it was just too creepy for you. Take the money you save and hire a true professional to give you the time of your life with absolutely no strings attached. The pro will be a sure thing for great sex. The unemployed ex coworker is a sure thing for stress and a double fisting of your savings account.
The choice is yours.
BVC
Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.
+1 Soulman,
that pic sums it up brilliantly…Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Anonymous11Ludophile: Thanks for sharing your story with us as it develops.
began grinding in his lap
This one act tells you everything you need to know about her. She could be some type of sociopath so do cut bait no matter what your hormones are screaming.
BrainPilot has foretold everything that will happen if you let her into your life. She is utterly disgusting from the information you’ve presented. RUN!!!!!
Anonymous42Ludophile, GET THE F~~~ OUT OF THERE. Seriously, girls like that are nothing but trouble. Stop worrying about sparing her feelings; she clearly doesn’t give a s~~~ about you. She was grinding on man’s lap in front of you and getting another man’s hands all over her. Believe me, I get that it’s hard to assert yourself sometimes but you deserve better than to a gold-digger trying to get you to feed her broke ass for free! There is nothing you owe her at this point; common courtesy flew out the window the moment she decided that you should be her meal ticket instead of a human being. You are worth more than that. Like I said before, go out to dinner that night, but go alone or with a fellow man whose down on his luck. Make a new friend. Treat yourself to whatever you want on the menu, you deserve it.
The last few weeks have been rather strange. Some of you already know I have been struggling after taking the red pill. Last week was a turning point wherein I went my own way: understanding that love is a lie, women can and will hurt me, and accepting the idea of potentially never knowing the intimacy I had been conditioned to want for so long.</p>But, of course, life is a twisting journey. An attractive coworker, who had been mildly flirty with me for the last few months, was laid-off and immediately asked me to dinner. I am now quite torn, as my red-pill perceptions are alert and suspicious.
To avoid being rude, I accepted the invite to dinner. She has been very dodgey about when the dinner will occur, but it is currently slated for next week. I admit that since accepting the red pill, I’m pretty indifferent to the situation. However, I can’t help but recognize the irony of the whole thing. This is precisely the kind of event that I was looking for whilst I was blue-pill.
Anyway, I’m not good looking, I make a decent living, and I’m painfully nerdy. All of this makes me wonder what exactly she is hoping to play me for. I don’t think we have much in common and I’m refocusing on going my own way.
can not offer advice, but can offer thoughts.
She could maybe finally get in touch with you because she was genuinely interested in you even before she left, but knew that working together would not work.You could be one of many ex co-workers who she lets compete against each other.
She might want to hang around, keeping in touch to get her old Job back, get inside info, get a foot in the door… By offering a date [and some play time?]-> and then stay unspecific about it. Mindfiretruck material.
suggested course of action?
figure out what you want to know, find the set of questions you would ask her if you could.
And then ask the questions, taking only precise answers as answers.
If she is not direct, upfront, clear about why she messaged you, drop her and the subject.Ah, and a thought that crossed my mind and that i would like to offer. No offense intended. I might be “WAY” ut of line, but i maintain – no offense intended.
you said you accepted in order not to appear rude.
pay attention and be extra cautious to be honest with yourself, with the people around you about your motives for your acions.
I would sy the Red pill has not reached its full effect yet, and it might be (possibly, potentially, maybe) that you accepted the invitation because your small head was doing the thinking.
please check that again for yourself – did the dick accept the invitation, or was it your intellect?
and if it was the dick, look at yourself and accept that fact.And if it indeed was the small head who accepted the invitation, ask your big head if you are looking(in need?) for some “fun” yourself. and assess how dangerous/difficult that might be, before proceeding. and ifyou proceed, which at this point i can hardly recommend (you are still very vulnerable!) then do not get your dick wet under any circumstances.
not with this chick.
Like I said before, go out to dinner that night, but go alone or with a fellow man whose down on his luck.
Of course there’s always the scorched earth nuclear option: Go to dinner with her, but before the check arrives excuse yourself to use the restroom and walk out the front door without looking back.
When (not if but when) she calls to complain about being stuck with the bill tell her, “Oh, I had to leave suddenly. Something important came up.”
When she asks, “What was so important?” answer: “The rest of my life.” *click*
Final update:
Up until last night, she and I had not been in contact. No face-to-face, no texts, no calls, nothing.
This morning, she texted me asking “Hey! How’s it going? Are we still on for tomorrow?”
After some deliberation, I responded with “Hey. I’ve changed my mind. I’ve realized I’m not interested in dating right now. Thanks anyway!”
A short time passes and her response reads “Oh wow. Ok. I thought you were a cool person and just enjoyed hanging out. But if that’s how you feel I understand. Thanks!”
A little emotionally manipulative, but not terribly. She could have salvaged a friendship out of all of this, but she didn’t…
"There is no bad weather; only wrong clothes." ~ Scandinavian saying "I'm happy to see that the U.S. is abandoning the savagery and lies of religion more and more each year. I'm sad to see that politics and feelings are taking religions' place." ~ Me "Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. And, above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty." ~ OldBill
A little emotionally manipulative, but not terribly.
Also VERY revealing of her true nature. It’s not her fault she doesn’t come up to your standards. It’s your fault for “not being a cool person.”
All Women Are Like That.
The more I read about her the more I think you should have done a Dine & Ditch.
You said u make a decent living. BINGO .Understand? ??
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
@ The Ludophile: Now, the next thing you may want to text back to her, if anything at all (!), might be (just for a final laugh on your end): “Well thank you, but I’m just as cool as I am, with or without your approval, so have fun. Over and out.”
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
That “friend zone” picture by Soulman is a laugh riot.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.- AuthorPosts
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