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Similarly, religious people believe there is a god because they WISH there was an afterlife, because an afterlife would negate death, which is scary
So, I believe in God and you don’t and neither of us is cussing the other out? Who would have thought that possible? HA!
Thank you for your response, Zarathustra. Please don’t think that because I only quoted one line of your post that I’m ignoring the rest of what you said. I did read your whole post and I do find it interesting.
I believe in God, but by what you say about religious people, I must not be religious. I don’t believe there is a God because I wish for an afterlife. Actually, I believe life might be easier if there was no God and no afterlife. There would be no consequences and I could do whatever I wanted and not worry about any punishment. I don’t wish for God and the afterlife to be real. I know that God is real.
I have no choice, but to believe in Him. When I was young, I rejected God. There was a Christian boy who went to my school and he always tried to preach to me and it made me uncomfortable so I rejected everything he said about God. However, later in life, I began to believe. From what I can remember there was no one defining moment. It was just a gradual progression into the faith. I never had any evidence. I don’t know….I guess God came to me and led me to believe. I don’t know how else to describe it.
With what I am about to say, I am not trying to convince you or anyone else. I’m just telling you what has strengthened my faith over the years. I had what the doctors told me was an incurable disease. No need to go into details about the disease itself. A man, who is not a preacher or priest……just a man who believes in God, prayed for me. I felt something physical go through my body like nothing I had felt before. I no longer have that incurable disease. It is gone and will never come back. Since then, I have experienced other healings. Again, this is not why I believe in God. It only strengthens my faith.
One other time……. I don’t believe my x really believes in God which is why this next story is so interesting. While we were married, we were in church one evening and many people were being prayed for including her. When she opened her eyes, she was looking around the room and asked me what all the “smoke” was. I saw nothing, but I looked into her eyes and I could tell that they were focused on something in mid air. I believe that was the Holy Spirit of God.
You and everyone else can dismiss these as just silly stories. Again, I’m not trying to convince anyone that there’s a God and I’m not trying to convert anyone. I, like you, am just giving you insight into my life and explaining my beliefs.
We’re just two men, going our own ways, discussing our beliefs. Thanks again for the mature, intelligent discussion, my friend.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
So, I believe in God and you don’t and neither of us is cussing the other out? Who would have thought that possible? HA!
It’s the alliance.
So, I believe in God and you don’t and neither of us is cussing the other out? Who would have thought that possible? HA!
It’s the alliance.
Yes it is, my friend and it’s a good thing.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
I don’t buy free will as an answer. There are several responses but let me ask you about this: Animal Suffering. Why did God create animals to suffer? They have no free will so their suffering has no value. Since the lack rationality and autonomy they are not moral beings. I suppose you might say he allows animals to suffer because it helps to manintain human’s belief in free will but that seems awfully evil of him.
Moreover, if you believe in God how can there be free will since he knows everything that has ever happened or ever will.
For example, I am free to answer this post or not answer it. But if God exists then he already knows if I will or won’t answer it. But if already knows if I will or won’t answer it, then how am I free to answer it? In other words, God knew I would answer this post yesterday, so how am I free to chose differently since God willed me to answer this today? And how am I free to not answer the post if he knew I would answer?
I find the idea that God would allow babies to be tortured (yes this happens) simply to test human free will abhorrent. If that is your God. No thanks he sounds like a sadist.
What you are saying is God could have created a world of lollipops and endless pleasure but he chose to allow us to live in misery in pain to test our free will? That seems like the work of a psychopath, not an all loving god to me.
I respect your beliefs, I just disagree. Must work now won’t post again today.
Thanks Nagolbud. I will stay off your posts in the future.
My belief on free will………Just because God knows what your choice will be, does not mean He is forcing you to make it.
Have a good day, Zarathustra and thanks again for the discussion.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Yeah and I hope I wasn’t rude to anyone. That was my point about the Freud/Lewis doc. The panel of theists and atheists seemed to have totally different experiences and it was like they couldn’t but help what they believed. For me I am a rational scientific minded person and I cannot believe something without concrete evidence. “Faith” to me has no value. But that’s just me and I know others think differently.
Peace to all and have a great day.
My belief on free will………Just because God knows what your choice will be, does not mean He is forcing you to make it.
Have a good day, Zarathustra and thanks again for the discussion.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Yeah and I hope I wasn’t rude to anyone. That was my point about the Freud/Lewis doc. The panel of theists and atheists seemed to have totally different experiences and it was like they couldn’t but help what they believed. For me I am a rational scientific minded person and I cannot believe something without concrete evidence. “Faith” to me has no value. But that’s just me and I know others think differently.
Peace to all and have a great day.
I am very scientifically minded, but I can also believe in something without concrete evidence. Some things I just know. I know that may not make sense to many people, but that’s how I am.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
My belief on free will………Just because God knows what your choice will be, does not mean He is forcing you to make it.
Have a good day, Zarathustra and thanks again for the discussion.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.
Brain chemistry does not dictate decision making. If that were so, we’d be nothing but programmed robots. Two people with complete different brain chemistry could make the exact same choice.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
My belief on free will………Just because God knows what your choice will be, does not mean He is forcing you to make it.
Have a good day, Zarathustra and thanks again for the discussion.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.
Brain chemistry does not dictate decision making. If that were so, we’d be nothing but programmed robots. Two people with complete different brain chemistry could make the exact same choice.
At a molecular level, we ARE nothing but programmed robots.
The neural networks that make up the brain are made up of atoms. If you took two identical brains with every molecule in each in the precise position of the other brain, and provided the same input (visual, auditory) you are going to get the same response.
Unless you are insisting that human brains are random, like some kind of Heisenberg uncertainty thing, in which case that free will becomes flipping a coin.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
My belief on free will………Just because God knows what your choice will be, does not mean He is forcing you to make it.
Have a good day, Zarathustra and thanks again for the discussion.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.
Brain chemistry does not dictate decision making. If that were so, we’d be nothing but programmed robots. Two people with complete different brain chemistry could make the exact same choice.
At a molecular level, we ARE nothing but programmed robots.
The neural networks that make up the brain are made up of atoms. If you took two identical brains with every molecule in each in the precise position of the other brain, and provided the same input (visual, auditory) you are going to get the same response.
Unless you are insisting that human brains are random, like some kind of Heisenberg uncertainty thing, in which case that free will becomes flipping a coin.
Are you saying that each of us has a preprogrammed brain which dictates what choices we make? Seems like you are saying that you have no free will even though you don’t believe in God.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.Thanks Ranger 1. This is a much clearer idea of what I was trying to say. The point is that if what you say is true how can God stand in judgement over us and condemn us to hell, for example, if he already knew what we would do?
That was my point. Divine justice and punishment is irrational and in fact cruel given an all knowing and all powerful god.
Assuming that their is an omniscient God that created everything, then God knew the outcome of every free choice that people would make, based on the starting positions of all the atoms and molecules when he created the universe.
Thus by positioning one group of molecules one place, and a different group somewhere else, a person’s brain chemistry would be different, and thus how their “free will” is exercised.
Free will only seems free from the perspective of a 3-dimensional being; from a 4 or 5 dimensional create, not so free.Thanks Ranger 1. This is a much clearer idea of what I was trying to say. The point is that if what you say is true how can God stand in judgement over us and condemn us to hell, for example, if he already knew what we would do?
That was my point. Divine justice and punishment is irrational and in fact cruel given an all knowing and all powerful god.
Knowing the future and controlling it are two different things. You are making an incorrect assumption that God is forcing us to make bad choices and then punishing us for it.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
@Zaruthrusta, Hermit and RangerOne,
Great posts. All of you.
This last page was the best one, by far, simply because it was peaceful, respectful, and applied to the original intent of the thread.If everybody worked together in the way you guys did here, this (MGTOW.com) would be a much better place to be.
I learned a lot from all of you and gained some insights that I hadn’t considered. Thanks
@Zaruthrusta, Hermit and RangerOne,
Great posts. All of you.
This last page was the best one, by far, simply because it was peaceful, respectful, and applied to the original intent of the thread.If everybody worked together in the way you guys did here, this (MGTOW.com) would be a much better place to be.
I learned a lot from all of you and gained some insights that I hadn’t considered. Thanks
I was apprehensive, but I really wanted to have even just a small discussion because I was genuinely interested to see where he was coming from and also wanted him to know what my thoughts were on the subject. Also, I wanted to prove that two men could be on different sides of the fence and still get along, so I guess it was kind of an experiment.
I’m glad you got something out of it, bstoffers.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Wow. I’m going to disagree with everyone. Not with what was said, but that it was said. This could have been a very interesting article (to believers and skeptics as like) examining the views on women put forth in probably the most influential book in the history of the western world. Instead, I have just read several pages of your opinions. If anyone 3ould like to have the discussion origionally intended, either Abraham And Issac or Jesus at the Wedding would seem like good jumping off points to me.
I thought Nagolbud was released from his spectator status and posted once again once this thread became active again.
But for the poster who just posted here my main argument against Nagolbud is 2 major reasons in where he fails. 1 Being that texts from the old days generally do have redpills in them even other religious texts (so the Bible is useless when i can in turn make a thread titled Red pills from the Quran 001).
Second is that Mgtow and Christianity in specific contradict each other as one is about following the will of God the other is about living life for your own mission the second one being more in line with Thelma then the Bible.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
I do not believe that wisdom that can be found elsewhere can be called “useless” based on that alone. Perhaps it is not unique, at least it is not unique to you, but to someone who believes it, it is.
And to your second point: I think you’ll find what we have been taught about religion and what The Bible actually says are different. Read Matthew 19 again. Jesus say NOTHING good about getting married, only that it is not good for men to be alone. He is clearly anti-divorce (breaking a promise), but when he talks sbout ultimate good (Kingdom of Heaven stuff), he says it is better for a man not to marry. When his disciples say almost word for word “so it is better for a Man not to marry,” Jesus’ only contradiction was that not all men could receive that wisdom.
Jesus was red pilled.Hell. Jesus was MGTOW.
I do not believe that wisdom that can be found elsewhere can be called “useless” based on that alone.
It is useless because the point of Nagolbuds argument is that simply some old red pills in some religious text grants truth outside of those pills to the text. Aka that the Bible must be true because it says hoes ain’t loyal or women are not good.
says it is better for a man not to marry. When his disciples say almost word for word “so it is better for a Man not to marry,”
The men are not to marry but they are not to follow their own personal missions but rather the mission which they believe that God send them on (living out God’s plan or God’s will).
Living for the mission, doing what you want with your life especially if it involves things not permitted in the Bible is contradictory to the Bible’s message.
Hell. Jesus was MGTOW.
Still living for the mission of God rather then himself.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
Oh yes. I do see your problem with the oringinal arguement… maybe. But you hit on a truer and more telling point: I DO NOT believe that a life guided solely or primarily by ones own desires or judgement, especially with a disregard or contempt for the traditional world, is a path to individual happiness, healthy societies, or spiritual well-being.
I think only bitterness could lead to such as world view. Understandable bitterness.
Please take no offense at what I say. We are only humble men trying to reason a way to truth.
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