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Hey nagonads or what ever ya called . A silver harpoon
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
@nagolbud
Why did you talk s~~~ on us on your website?
Why does anyone that opposes you is instantly labeled an atheist?
Why are you still spewing your blather?You may not realize, but many of the members here you have p~~~ed off are devout believers of Christ. That may surprise your dense ass/head, but nothing surprises me anymore.
Just to keep things factual, he doesn’t mention MGTOW.com in the article on his website. He talks about MGTOW atheists.
In not taking sides here, but dragging stuff over from his own website is poor form.
If you’re going to take a man down, do it the right way. Not a dig at you personally, but let’s stick to what someone does on this site alone and not outside of it.
You have a fair point there Cu but the swarming masses of Libtards won’t make that distinction. MGTOW is MGTOW to the outsider. And the mere mention of the acronym will be an opportunity to smear MGTOW.COM too.
Possibly. But I stopped caring about what libtards think long before I stopped caring about what females think.
He has the right to say whatever he feels like on his own site. He hasn’t slandered this site or named anyone.
We are not the internet police, nor is MGTOW.com the sole owner of the ‘MGTOW’ monicker.
That’s true Cu but I am finding it hard to ignore the fact that he seems to have set member against member here.
It seems like he knew precisely what he was doing so he could take write about what members react like. He’s spinning his interpretation and painting MGTOW in bad light.
I am not sure that that is what we are here for. I thought we were here to support each other instead of exploit for our own gains.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Just here to divide and take members to his holy mgtow site .
Probably a faith healer that sells dodgy cd’s to the dying .
Smooth talking c~~~ i bet too .
Again, this is all guesswork. You cant possibly know for sure the motivations he has. And if he’s here to take members away then you don’t do that by getting into bickerfests with your potential converti. I don’t read it like that.
I think he’s abrasive, but not a troll. I didn’t want X11 banned, and nagolbud either. But I don’t call the shots and my opinion isn’t worth anything. But as I said before KM said he was ok. If you stop jumping on him he may turn out to be a good guy. He’s asked repeatedly to ignore him, give it a go. His subject matter in his OP is all I care about in this pointless exchange of insults. Its a good idea for a thread.
That’s just it, he “seems” to be here to divide. Maybe, maybe not. But KM, once more, has already vetted him. As much as KM states he doesn’t see this place as his own own personal fiefdom, the sword of Damocles is in his hands alone. He alone moderates the site. He hasn’t chopped him, his verdict has been passed.
Since then nagolbud hasn’t done anything to warrant the pitchforks and torches. He didn’t start flinging s~~~ in this thread, one poster has even said he’s attacked him to get him to react and get him banned.
I’ll be honest, this thread has been like watching mean girls, and nagolbud is far from the worst contributor on THIS thread.
If the plan is to spam every thread he starts then there goes the site. If you want rid of him, quietly hit the report button, wherever that is, because I’ll never use it.
He doesn’t seem to be the backing down type, so let him be, UNTIL he becomes an asshole again. He’s not being an asshole if he’s reacting to baiting.
And don’t get the idea that I’m on his side because he likes the Bible. He thinks my Christianity is satanic lol. I was one of the first posters he called a woman on here. I just thought “f~~~ it” and gave him a wide berth after that.
But he’s posted a good thread here which is now a massive turd, in my favourite corner of the forums.
This probably would have been an interesting thread if it hadn’t been hijacked.
Isn’t Philosophy the correct place to put a post in about Bible MGTOW?Should we all be afraid to post anything with trigger words in them like “Bible” or “Jesus Christ”?
I’ve been seeing an awful lot of unnecessary hostility here that was flung around by frequent posters that appear to be intended to prevent certain topics from being brought up.
What the f~~~?I’ve said over and over again, if you don’t like a member or what he posts about, just ignore and scroll on.
It looks like we have a purge going on here and the truly malicious outsiders are thrilled to see that we are eating our own and doing their work for them.
Waiting for the first prick to insult me simply for pointing out the obvious.
I had one mentally-deranged poster rant at me and threaten my life just a couple of days ago, simply because he misread something I posted and went way the f~~~, overboard for no reason at all.If words like “God” or whatever are so sacrilege around here, I’m not interested in visiting what has been turned into a hate site filled with censorship.
That’s where all of this seems to be going.
I’ve said over and over again, if you don’t like a member or what he posts about, just ignore and scroll on.
Agreed.
I had one mentally-deranged poster rant at me and threaten my life just a couple of days ago,
Wtf bro . Thats f~~~ed up .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Wtf bro . Thats f~~~ed up .
I’ve had people threaten to kill me.
My response: Try it.
Ok but f~~~ saying s~~~ like wanting kill c~~~s on here is getting a bit carried away dont ya think .
Try it yer if in real life but on here threating to kill c~~~s on this site is f~~~in not cool .
Just common sense .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Ok but f~~~ saying s~~~ like wanting kill c~~~s on here is getting a bit carried away dont ya think .
I agree, but I have yet to see someone say something like that in a thread.
Ok but f~~~ saying s~~~ like wanting kill c~~~s on here is getting a bit carried away dont ya think .
I agree, but I have yet to see someone say something like that in a thread.
I am on here alot and i haven’t seen it .
But f~~~ if someone does say s~~~ like that hit the button .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
I don’t want it dredge it up again, but here it goes: 🙂
If you want to look at it, it was something about Demi Moore getting away with molesting a kid a few years back.
I posted a light-hearted idea as ajoke and the guy derided me and tried to make me look foolish for the joke as if I was trying to gather posse or something.Then I politely implied that he might have misunderstood what I was talking about and defended my position in a friendly manner.
He went totally f~~~ing ape-s~~~ and was making all kinds of inferences that clearly had nothing to do with what I typed.
I just assumed something else was going on in his life and ignored the thread after that.
My last response was that somebody got her period today. Probably the meanest thing I’ve ever posted here in MGTOW.
I just rechecked it for responses and it was all good. No more retorts from that guy.
Water under the bridge, I guess.I actually like the member and usually up-votes what he says. I still do.
I just figured the guy had a screw loose or something.
I’ve noticed there are always a few guy that go overboard, I guess it’s to be expected to some degree.don’t want it dredge it up again, but here it goes:
bro you are a good bloke and are understanding even though you probably didnt desrve it .
I myself can see a thread and it might trigger me and i go of course .
So yer i get ya bro .
A good man bstoffers .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Nagolbud is either a state asset, SJW mangina, or complete nutter.
There are identically named posters with near identical content on a variety of forums, and in each and every one the objective seems to be to cause trouble.
Punt.
<Why did you talk s~~~ on us on your website?
You may not realize, but many of the members here you have p~~~ed off are devout believers of Christ. That may surprise your dense ass/head, but nothing surprises me anymore.
Go copy and paste some of the worst s~~~ he said on his site, that may get his ass booted. I would do it but my internet is barely running right now.
Also, he doesn’t realize that an Atheist/Christian alliance has formed against him… lol KEK!
An alliance……. I like that.
I tried to give him a chance, but you guys knew right off what he was doing. Off with his head…….so to speak……
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
May I use this opportunity to have a mature, intelligent discussion with you, even though I am in disagreement? If not, then please don’t read on. Ha! I may not know you very well, but I believe you to be able to have a manly discussion without it burning down to hurling insults at one another.
I believe God did make you, but did not make you to be a non-believer. I believe you have chosen to be a non-believer, or was influenced by someone or some part of society has influenced you to believe how you do today. Simply put, I believe He created us all pretty much the same.
Very interested in your response.Since you asked….
First let me say that my journey into Atheism was a long one and I could literally write an entire book about it but I will try to be as brief as possible…..
As a child I had a rather fuzzy, dim notion of what God was. I believed because my parents did and it seemed to be the dominant belief system of our society so I went along.
As a young man I entered University and fell in love with Philosophy. I read everything Philosophy could offer and eventually obtained a MA in Philosophy. During this period I studied every serious argument in favour of God’s existence because it seemed to me an important question and I wanted to have more than an informed opinion, I wanted to know, with certainty, where I stood on the subject of God’s existence. I read all the major players on this topic: St Anselm, Ockham, Hume, Pascal, St Aquinas, Des Cartes, etc… and found their arguments in favour of God’s existence lacking.
What bothered me most was “The Problem of Evil”. In fact I took an entire course on “The Problem of Evil” with a prominent religious theist named John Stackhouse. Briefly:
God is Good.
God is Omnipotent.
There is Evil.This is what we in Philosophy call an inconsistent Triad. Any two of the proceeding statements can be true, but not all 3.
For if God is Good and all powerful he could have made any possible universe, yet he made this universe, which is rife with evil. That means he is either not all powerful, or he is not good.
You get the idea. If you want to read an excellent summary of the “Problem of Evil” read the Chapter “Rebellion” in Dostoyevsky’s “The Brother’s Karamazov.”
http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/brothers_karamazov/35/
So, after spending 6 years in an academic environment reading the brightest minds on the subject of God’s existence and discussing these ideas with other students and teachers I was an atheist.
Then I got married. My wife was from way up north, near the arctic circle, and her family were regular church goers. They weren’t overly religious but they went to church because there was nothing to do up north and it was a family tradition. I started going to church and I loved it. I loved the people, I loved singing and playing drums in the choir I also had a great pastor. We developed a strong friendship and we discussed Philosophy and religion for hours on end over coffee at least 2-3 times a week.
But… it didn’t change my atheism. Yet, I felt because the church had given me so much I owed it to them to at least consider their viewpoint. So, I spent the next 2-3 years getting involved in the church and trying to absorb all I could, just out of thankfulness.
But still the existence of God escaped me. Then one day my pastor gave me a PBS documentary to watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/why/
This is one of the best documentaries, on any subject, I have ever watched.
The documentary compared the lives of Sigmund Freud and C.S. Lewis. Both grew up in religious households: Freud was the son of a Jewish Rabbi, Lewis the son of a Methodist Minister. Both, just as I had, embraced atheism in University, yet after leaving university Freud became an ardent atheist and C.S. Lewis became a theist, one of the greatest religious writers of the 20th century.
The subject of the documentary was why? Why did two people with so much in common and such similar backgrounds arrive at polar opposite positions on such an important topic?
The best thing about the documentary is that after a biographical segment on each thinker there was a panel of 12 intelligent people, Dr’s, Lawyers, Politicians, Scientists etc…. split evenly between atheists and theists. They would debate the points of biographies and had very intelligent responses.
In the end I had to side with Freud. Despite being well educated and having read most of the greatest thinkers in University and beyond, I had never studied Freud or any Psychology.
I had a bad childhood and I think avoided studying psychology because subconsciously I didn’t want to deal with these issues.
I sided with Freud for 3 reasons:
1.)The experiences and thoughts of the atheists in the panel rang truer and was closer to my own thinking and experiences.
2.)Freud’s explanation for the feeling of “religious” Joy resonated with me and explained a feeling and a dream I had had for years, Lewis’ explanation of Joy did not ring true for me.
3.)Freud’s explanation of “Illusions” explained to me the reason for religious belief, and it is this concept, more than any other, that confirmed my atheism and helped to explain a lot of human behavior that previously baffled me.
Succinctly, Freud’s definition of an Illusion is a belief held not because of reason, logic, or evidence, but rather, a belief held merely from a position of wishful thinking.
For example, your blue pill man believes that women are: faithful, loyal, loving, caring etc… but this is not based on any evidence or experience, but rather because the blue pill man WISHES these things were true. Moreover, there are forces within society that a vested interest in the blue pill man believing these things, so his illusion is supported by culture, movies, books, religion etc… Yet, the bluepill man’s beliefs are false, they are illusions.
Similarly, religious people believe there is a god because they WISH there was an afterlife, because an afterlife would negate death, which is scary, an afterlife would mean we are reunited with dead loved ones, it would be SO NICE if it were true so people believe. Similarly, we see in the terrestrial world that the good are often not rewarded and the evil are often not punished, so it would be REALLY NICE if there was an all-powerful God that meted out justice in a future afterlife, that made right all these wrongs.
People have a need to believe in God because psychologically they are ill-equipped to deal with mortality, injustice, disorder etc… So they invent a fictional being, without any evidence to his existence, to solve these problems.
Freud elaborates on these ideas in his treatise: “The Future of an Illusion”
In conclusion, my atheism was not born overnight. I didn’t adopt it to be fashionable, cool, or arrogant. I adopted it after two sustained periods of reading, study, introspection and conversations with other intelligent people over a period of 20 years. I can honestly say that these ideas and thoughts occupied the majority of my time of youth and were not arrived at lightly. I meditate for two hours before bed every night and review these ideas looking for flaws and find none.
I am not asking anyone to believe as I do. And I regret if I have insulted anyone by my ideas. However, like the blue pill man who swallows the red pill I can no longer go back to any pretenses where religion and God are concerned.
May I use this opportunity to have a mature, intelligent discussion with you, even though I am in disagreement? If not, then please don’t read on. Ha! I may not know you very well, but I believe you to be able to have a manly discussion without it burning down to hurling insults at one another.
I believe God did make you, but did not make you to be a non-believer. I believe you have chosen to be a non-believer, or was influenced by someone or some part of society has influenced you to believe how you do today. Simply put, I believe He created us all pretty much the same.
Very interested in your response.Since you asked….
First let me say that my journey into Atheism was a long one and I could literally write an entire book about it but I will try to be as brief as possible…..
As a child I had a rather fuzzy, dim notion of what God was. I believed because my parents did and it seemed to be the dominant belief system of our society so I went along.
As a young man I entered University and fell in love with Philosophy. I read everything Philosophy could offer and eventually obtained a MA in Philosophy. During this period I studied every serious argument in favour of God’s existence because it seemed to me an important question and I wanted to have more than an informed opinion, I wanted to know, with certainty, where I stood on the subject of God’s existence. I read all the major players on this topic: St Anselm, Ockham, Hume, Pascal, St Aquinas, Des Cartes, etc… and found their arguments in favour of God’s existence lacking.
What bothered me most was “The Problem of Evil”. In fact I took an entire course on “The Problem of Evil” with a prominent religious theist named John Stackhouse. Briefly:
God is Good.
God is Omnipotent.
There is Evil.This is what we in Philosophy call an inconsistent Triad. Any two of the proceeding statements can be true, but not all 3.
For if God is Good and all powerful he could have made any possible universe, yet he made this universe, which is rife with evil. That means he is either not all powerful, or he is not good.
You get the idea. If you want to read an excellent summary of the “Problem of Evil” read the Chapter “Rebellion” in Dostoyevsky’s “The Brother’s Karamazov.”http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/brothers_karamazov/35/
So, after spending 6 years in an academic environment reading the brightest minds on the subject of God’s existence and discussing these ideas with other students and teachers I was an atheist.
Then I got married. My wife was from way up north, near the arctic circle, and her family were regular church goers. They weren’t overly religious but they went to church because there was nothing to do up north and it was a family tradition. I started going to church and I loved it. I loved the people, I loved singing and playing drums in the choir I also had a great pastor. We developed a strong friendship and we discussed Philosophy and religion for hours on end over coffee at least 2-3 times a week.
But… it didn’t change my atheism. Yet, I felt because the church had given me so much I owed it to them to at least consider their viewpoint. So, I spent the next 2-3 years getting involved in the church and trying to absorb all I could, just out of thankfulness.
But still the existence of God escaped me. Then one day my pastor gave me a PBS documentary to watch:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/why/
This is one of the best documentaries, on any subject, I have ever watched.
The documentary compared the lives of Sigmund Freud and C.S. Lewis. Both grew up in religious households: Freud was the son of a Jewish Rabbi, Lewis the son of a Methodist Minister. Both, just as I had, embraced atheism in University, yet after leaving university Freud became an ardent atheist and C.S. Lewis became a theist, one of the greatest religious writers of the 20th century.
The subject of the documentary was why? Why did two people with so much in common and such similar backgrounds arrive at polar opposite positions on such an important topic?
The best thing about the documentary is that after a biographical segment on each thinker there was a panel of 12 intelligent people, Dr’s, Lawyers, Politicians, Scientists etc…. split evenly between atheists and theists. They would debate the points of biographies and had very intelligent responses.
In the end I had to side with Freud. Despite being well educated and having read most of the greatest thinkers in University and beyond, I had never studied Freud or any Psychology.
I had a bad childhood and I think avoided studying psychology because subconsciously I didn’t want to deal with these issues.
I sided with Freud for 3 reasons:1.)The experiences and thoughts of the atheists in the panel rang truer and was closer to my own thinking and experiences.
2.)Freud’s explanation for the feeling of “religious” Joy resonated with me and explained a feeling and a dream I had had for years, Lewis’ explanation of Joy did not ring true for me.
3.)Freud’s explanation of “Illusions” explained to me the reason for religious belief, and it is this concept, more than any other, that confirmed my atheism and helped to explain a lot of human behavior that previously baffled me.
Succinctly, Freud’s definition of an Illusion is a belief held not because of reason, logic, or evidence, but rather, a belief held merely from a position of wishful thinking.
For example, your blue pill man believes that women are: faithful, loyal, loving, caring etc… but this is not based on any evidence or experience, but rather because the blue pill man WISHES these things were true. Moreover, there are forces within society that a vested interest in the blue pill man believing these things, so his illusion is supported by culture, movies, books, religion etc… Yet, the bluepill man’s beliefs are false, they are illusions.
Similarly, religious people believe there is a god because they WISH there was an afterlife, because an afterlife would negate death, which is scary, an afterlife would mean we are reunited with dead loved ones, it would be SO NICE if it were true so people believe. Similarly, we see in the terrestrial world that the good are often not rewarded and the evil are often not punished, so it would be REALLY NICE if there was an all-powerful God that meted out justice in a future afterlife, that made right all these wrongs.
People have a need to believe in God because psychologically they are ill-equipped to deal with mortality, injustice, disorder etc… So they invent a fictional being, without any evidence to his existence, to solve these problems.
Freud elaborates on these ideas in his treatsise: “The Future of an Illusion”In conclusion, my atheism was not born overnight. I didn’t adopt it to be fashionable, cool, or arrogant. I adopted it after two sustained periods of reading, study, introspection and conversations with other intelligent people over a period of 20 years. I can honestly say that these ideas and thoughts occupied the majority of my time of youth and were not arrived at lightly. I meditate for two hours before bed every night and review these ideas looking for flaws and find none.
I am not asking anyone to believe as I do. And I regret if I have insulted anyone by my ideas. However, like the blue pill man who swallows the red pill I can no longer go back to any pretenses where religion and God are concerned.May I use this opportunity to have a mature, intelligent discussion with you, even though I am in disagreement? If not, then please don’t read on. Ha! I may not know you very well, but I believe you to be able to have a manly discussion without it burning down to hurling insults at one another.
I believe God did make you, but did not make you to be a non-believer. I believe you have chosen to be a non-believer, or was influenced by someone or some part of society has influenced you to believe how you do today. Simply put, I believe He created us all pretty much the same.
Very interested in your response.Since you asked….
First let me say that my journey into Atheism was a long one and I could literally write an entire book about it but I will try to be as brief as possible…..
As a child I had a rather fuzzy, dim notion of what God was. I believed because my parents did and it seemed to be the dominant belief system of our society so I went along.
As a young man I entered University and fell in love with Philosophy. I read everything Philosophy could offer and eventually obtained a MA in Philosophy. During this period I studied every serious argument in favour of God’s existence because it seemed to me an important question and I wanted to have more than an informed opinion, I wanted to know, with certainty, where I stood on the subject of God’s existence. I read all the major players on this topic: St Anselm, Ockham, Hume, Pascal, St Aquinas, Des Cartes, etc… and found their arguments in favour of God’s existence lacking.
What bothered me most was “The Problem of Evil”. In fact I took an entire course on “The Problem of Evil” with a prominent religious theist named John Stackhouse. Briefly:
God is Good.
God is Omnipotent.
There is Evil.This is what we in Philosophy call an inconsistent Triad. Any two of the proceeding statements can be true, but not all 3.
For if God is Good and all powerful he could have made any possible universe, yet he made this universe, which is rife with evil. That means he is either not all powerful, or he is not good.
You get the idea. If you want to read an excellent summary of the “Problem of Evil” read the Chapter “Rebellion” in Dostoyevsky’s “The Brother’s Karamazov.”http://www.online-literature.com/dostoevsky/brothers_karamazov/35/
So, after spending 6 years in an academic environment reading the brightest minds on the subject of God’s existence and discussing these ideas with other students and teachers I was an atheist.
Then I got married. My wife was from way up north, near the arctic circle, and her family were regular church goers. They weren’t overly religious but they went to church because there was nothing to do up north and it was a family tradition. I started going to church and I loved it. I loved the people, I loved singing and playing drums in the choir I also had a great pastor. We developed a strong friendship and we discussed Philosophy and religion for hours on end over coffee at least 2-3 times a week.
But… it didn’t change my atheism. Yet, I felt because the church had given me so much I owed it to them to at least consider their viewpoint. So, I spent the next 2-3 years getting involved in the church and trying to absorb all I could, just out of thankfulness.
But still the existence of God escaped me. Then one day my pastor gave me a PBS documentary to watch:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/questionofgod/why/
This is one of the best documentaries, on any subject, I have ever watched.
The documentary compared the lives of Sigmund Freud and C.S. Lewis. Both grew up in religious households: Freud was the son of a Jewish Rabbi, Lewis the son of a Methodist Minister. Both, just as I had, embraced atheism in University, yet after leaving university Freud became an ardent atheist and C.S. Lewis became a theist, one of the greatest religious writers of the 20th century.
The subject of the documentary was why? Why did two people with so much in common and such similar backgrounds arrive at polar opposite positions on such an important topic?
The best thing about the documentary is that after a biographical segment on each thinker there was a panel of 12 intelligent people, Dr’s, Lawyers, Politicians, Scientists etc…. split evenly between atheists and theists. They would debate the points of biographies and had very intelligent responses.
In the end I had to side with Freud. Despite being well educated and having read most of the greatest thinkers in University and beyond, I had never studied Freud or any Psychology.
I had a bad childhood and I think avoided studying psychology because subconsciously I didn’t want to deal with these issues.
I sided with Freud for 3 reasons:1.)The experiences and thoughts of the atheists in the panel rang truer and was closer to my own thinking and experiences.
2.)Freud’s explanation for the feeling of “religious” Joy resonated with me and explained a feeling and a dream I had had for years, Lewis’ explanation of Joy did not ring true for me.
3.)Freud’s explanation of “Illusions” explained to me the reason for religious belief, and it is this concept, more than any other, that confirmed my atheism and helped to explain a lot of human behavior that previously baffled me.
Succinctly, Freud’s definition of an Illusion is a belief held not because of reason, logic, or evidence, but rather, a belief held merely from a position of wishful thinking.
For example, your blue pill man believes that women are: faithful, loyal, loving, caring etc… but this is not based on any evidence or experience, but rather because the blue pill man WISHES these things were true. Moreover, there are forces within society that a vested interest in the blue pill man believing these things, so his illusion is supported by culture, movies, books, religion etc… Yet, the bluepill man’s beliefs are false, they are illusions.
Similarly, religious people believe there is a god because they WISH there was an afterlife, because an afterlife would negate death, which is scary, an afterlife would mean we are reunited with dead loved ones, it would be SO NICE if it were true so people believe. Similarly, we see in the terrestrial world that the good are often not rewarded and the evil are often not punished, so it would be REALLY NICE if there was an all-powerful God that meted out justice in a future afterlife, that made right all these wrongs.
People have a need to believe in God because psychologically they are ill-equipped to deal with mortality, injustice, disorder etc… So they invent a fictional being, without any evidence to his existence, to solve these problems.
Freud elaborates on these ideas in his treatsise: “The Future of an Illusion”In conclusion, my atheism was not born overnight. I didn’t adopt it to be fashionable, cool, or arrogant. I adopted it after two sustained periods of reading, study, introspection and conversations with other intelligent people over a period of 20 years. I can honestly say that these ideas and thoughts occupied the majority of my time of youth and were not arrived at lightly. I meditate for two hours before bed every night and review these ideas looking for flaws and find none.
I am not asking anyone to believe as I do. And I regret if I have insulted anyone by my ideas. However, like the blue pill man who swallows the red pill I can no longer go back to any pretenses where religion and God are concerned.Please stop forcing your religion down my throat. 😉
But seriously.. can I point something out brother.
God is Good.
God is Omnipotent.
There is Evil.“This is what we in Philosophy call an inconsistent Triad. Any two of the proceeding statements can be true, but not all 3.
For if God is Good and all powerful he could have made any possible universe, yet he made this universe, which is rife with evil. That means he is either not all powerful, or he is not good.”God is Good.
God is Omnipotent.
There is Evil.These 3 statements are in fact all true.
If God created a world of perfectness and lolipop trees you would not have free will. If everything was perfect and the same every day you would have no free will, no free choice, no individualism, and no free thought. When God created the world He didn’t want perfect. He wanted a relationship. He gave you free will so you could become an atheist. So that you could become a fisherman. So that you could watch TV. Or eat cheetos. Everyone has free will because the world is not perfect. He also created a way that you could escape the evil one day. To believe on Him and his Sacrifice. Not only did he create a world where you have free choice, but he created an afterlife that will be exactly what you want in this life. If he created heaven right away you never would have any free choice or individualism.
God created free will and some chose to rebel. This is what created the evil. God didn’t create it, it was a by product of free will and HUMAN nature. SIN. Which everyone does. This is exactly why he had a plan of salvation from the foundation of the world. Without free will you would have no choice, and there would be no evil. So it seems you are mad at God for points that contradict each other. You want to be free with free will, but you don’t want evil and you blame God for that evil.
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I don’t buy free will as an answer. There are several responses but let me ask you about this: Animal Suffering. Why did God create animals to suffer? They have no free will so their suffering has no value. Since the lack rationality and autonomy they are not moral beings. I suppose you might say he allows animals to suffer because it helps to manintain human’s belief in free will but that seems awfully evil of him.
Moreover, if you believe in God how can there be free will since he knows everything that has ever happened or ever will.
For example, I am free to answer this post or not answer it. But if God exists then he already knows if I will or won’t answer it. But if already knows if I will or won’t answer it, then how am I free to answer it? In other words, God knew I would answer this post yesterday, so how am I free to chose differently since God willed me to answer this today? And how am I free to not answer the post if he knew I would answer?
I find the idea that God would allow babies to be tortured (yes this happens) simply to test human free will abhorrent. If that is your God. No thanks he sounds like a sadist.
What you are saying is God could have created a world of lollipops and endless pleasure but he chose to allow us to live in misery in pain to test our free will? That seems like the work of a psychopath, not an all loving god to me.
I respect your beliefs, I just disagree. Must work now won’t post again today.
Thanks Nagolbud. I will stay off your posts in the future.
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