REALLY need help and GOOD advice here.

[TheRunningManParticipant 71]

So, I have been a MGTOW the last 3 years of my life. Avoided any serious relationships, done a fantastic job at really being happy with who I am, myself, and maintaining a drama free and successful lifestyle. Lately, and just recently, I moved to a bigger city to take a fantastic job (Best one I have had to date pays me VERY well, about 60-70,000 a year). I have a two bed room apartment, a full on studio with a mic that I do my gaming livestreams on, and I’ve been having a blast. The one thing about being a MGTOW for awhile, is that women get attracted to you because they can sense right off the bat they can’t have you… I’ve went on a few dates here and had a few random f~~~ buddies, but nothing serious yet. Anyways, one day, about last week, I was working late at my store. A very pretty girl came in and hit on me extremely hard. She finally left, and she told me I should add her on facebook. I did. She requested a date. That night we came back to my place and we banged like it was going out of style. The same night she claimed she needed some things… she went to Wal-Mart and I went with her. She bought a toothbrush, shampoo and deoderant. She had to get up early the next day (she spent the night at my place) and I slept in. When I woke up, I noticed she had left everything at my place, including some of her jewelry. I was fairly alarmed but haven’t said anything quite yet. She openly talked about bringing more clothes to my place, which I don’t mind a whole lot, because I figured she was just crazy for me. She admitted she was crazy about me, too. However, after I asked her out and we started being exclusive a few days later, this same girl never even posted a mention of me on facebook. Not a single murmur. Nothing. I finally made a subtle comment that perhaps we should be ‘facebook’ official… she said ‘I’d love that’. She then posted about 6 pictures on her facebook page, only one of them was of us, and it was in the middle of her photos with absolutely no comment on it. I was tagged, but that was all. I noticed some hulking alpha male type liking everyone of her pictures as well, including the one with me in it.
Now, I am fairly alarmed here, because I -DO- like this girl. I know I’ve let down my guard a bit, and I understand the reprecussions from doing so. However, being a MGTOW, my eyes are wide open to just how scandelous fems are.

Things that are alarming me quickly are:

-She moved in basically after the 2nd date

-She has guys who are built better than me liking her selfies (one guy in particular who has been consistantly liking her pics)

-She won’t mention us as boyfriend and girlfriend on her facebook, despite the fact I told her I’d be OK with it (she said she wanted to, but was afraid of what I’d say… then after that, all I got was that picture of us uploaded).

 

She’s 22, I am 30. Here’s what I think is going down:
She wants me for my stability, she wants me to be a provider. She’s willing to offer me sex to get me interested early, and move in to make me not fret or worry about her loyalty… however she has a few males on the side she is talking to / banging that are alpha PUA’s who just don’t care about a relationship with her, but at the same time, these PUA’s / Alpha’s are highly competitive and when they sense her with another guy, it’s all a game to those guys.

 

SO, I have came to the conclusion (since I am quite problem solving) that the following are my options…

1. I tell her I am bothered by the guy who constantly likes her pictures.
Her reaction will be; “You are insecure.” And it will probably fuel her to chase the guy even more.
2. I ignore it.
Her reaction: Nothing will change, she will sleep around and the relationship will be a huge waste of my emotional time and energy.
3. I politely tell her I’m no longer into her.
Her reaction: She will probably throw a bitch fit. She’s never been dumped. It’ll be a nightmare considering she has a ton of guys who are gym rats as friends in a new town I don’t even know my own way around in. Not a good scenario, either, when you think about it.

4. Tell her she is moving too fast.
Her reaction: I think her reaction will be simply banging the other guys even more, realizing I am a waste of her time. She couldn’t razzle dazzle me with her vagina, so I feel as if she will instead move on to the other guys on the side… this one may be the best option. But it’ll end any hopes of having a relationship work out.

Or there is the possibility that:

5. She really DOES like me a lot, and has plutonic friends who are guys who aren’t interested in her sexually. And maybe I’ve been too hurt in the past to give her a fair chance.

 

Or maybe I’m right, and this is one really f~~~ed situation that I am just not capable of winning in. I’ve dated a lot of females, had a lot of them temporarily move in… NONE of them moved this fast… OR were as hot as she is.

I feel as if she has other motives for moving so fast with me. I -know- it’s not my looks. Perhaps I’d be best of to not know and to just get her out of my life as fast as I can.

 

Your thoughts?

[EgoisteParticipant 53]

You know what you need to do, deep down you do man.

Cut all ties as this is a dangerous situation, you’ve written everything that is wrong with what has happened and need to act on it.

Less talk, more walk. It’s a tough one man, girls can be addictive but these warning signs are punching you in the face.

Your feeling jealous, and thinking about her every little move. You can’t change a person, they have to want to change, this is just who she is.

You deserve better.

So start commanding it.

Egoiste

[SolariiParticipant 19]

I agree with Egoiste all the warning signs are there, I also understand the hesitation on your part. You just got to remember that you have had three great  years as you put it and that while this is new it is still the perfect form of ” It’s a Trap”. This is how it starts and you know, walk and don’t look back worse case is you get to keep doing the s~~~ you enjoy.

[TheNinjaUWannaH8Participant 386]

Ph4ze….She “KEYED” you Man!  She baited you and your Space/Apartment, Threw Pussy in your Face, Left her ‘Bitch Imprint’ with hr jewelry at your house to keep you baited…

Ole Girl definitely has other dudes…She is basically trying to Milk resources from you….

So…

Call it a Day.  You Got some Fun Pink Jacuzzi Pussy. Good.  Get the F~~~ out quickly before you get scorch.

Pump, Dump, Facebook Block, Ghost Dog a Hoe.

No Convo.  No Explanation.

Oh…By the way…Throw her Shiet in the Trash.

[ManocalypseParticipant 321]

Give the grasping hussy the sack!

[jambearParticipant 282]

I’m Ninja James Bitch!

LOL you never fail at making me smile Ninja.

@Ph4zE_9

YOU ARE A MGHOW. Short term relationships are OK not ideal but doable. I am going to drop the hammer kinda hard but know that it is not out of malice but out of concern. You are sounding like you want to marry this girl and have a future with her. Who cares if she is the town bicycle, if you want to ride her every so often is fine but do not go about trying to control her. YOU ARE A MGHOW! But if you are finding yourself developing feelings for the town bicycle you have to start asking yourself the hard question, am I a MGHOW? Are you getting upset with me calling her the town bicycle? If you are you have to start analyzing your own feelings and what your beliefs truly are. Are they for you, for your life and happiness or are they towards the town bicycle? I am not being mean, I wish I could give out better context with my writing but I am a so-so writer at best.

Things that are alarming me quickly are:

-She moved in basically after the 2nd date

You should be deeply alarmed, this is one of the things you want to avoid if you are a MGHOW. I would suggest boxing up her stuff and the next time she comes over do not berate her or tell her to get her crap out of your place, but simply hand her the box and say “You left some of your thing over here the last couple of days”. Boom, clean simple not overtly insulting but a heavy subtext of F~~~ off.

-She has guys who are built better than me liking her selfies (one guy in particular who has been consistantly liking her pics)

Unless you are gay, which is OK, you should give less then 2 f~~~s about another guy’s physique. These others guys are just trying to give a ride on the cycle, that’s cool. Why do you care though?

-She won’t mention us as boyfriend and girlfriend on her facebook, despite the fact I told her I’d be OK with it (she said she wanted to, but was afraid of what I’d say… then after that, all I got was that picture of us uploaded).

What ?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? No just no. Are you sure you a MGHOW? Sorry but once again why do you care about her declaring you relationship to the world? Let her ride the c~~~ carousal. You are not captain save a hoe.

She’s 22, I am 30. Here’s what I think is going down:
She wants me for my stability, she wants me to be a provider. She’s willing to offer me sex to get me interested early, and move in to make me not fret or worry about her loyalty… however she has a few males on the side she is talking to / banging that are alpha PUA’s who just don’t care about a relationship with her, but at the same time, these PUA’s / Alpha’s are highly competitive and when they sense her with another guy, it’s all a game to those guys.

A girl that young with a big harem like is of course always looking to grow it. She is looking around for a future place to live rent free and I can guarantee that your are not the only guys place she is crashing at, she is merely testing the waters to see how much she can squeeze out of you. The guy who is willing to spend the most will be declared her “boyfriend”.  Simple as that, I have seen this scenario play out several times with me being a contender once. As for the other guys, I bet you they are thinking the same thing. This old skeezy guy is trying to pick up and this young hot girl that is obviously meant for me, he will not love he like I will, only I know her true self, only I can treat her like she is meant to be treated. Every single one of you is thinking the exact same thing trust me.

SO, I have came to the conclusion (since I am quite problem solving) that the following are my options…

1. I tell her I am bothered by the guy who constantly likes her pictures.
Her reaction will be; “You are insecure.” And it will probably fuel her to chase the guy even more.

All this will do is lose you access to the poon. Let her work these other chumps over while you enjoy the sweet milk without having to buy the cow.

2. I ignore it.
Her reaction: Nothing will change, she will sleep around and the relationship will be a huge waste of my emotional time and energy.

Spot on. This is my choice by the way. Continue to pump and dump her as I’m Ninja James Bitch! so succinctly put it.

3. I politely tell her I’m no longer into her.
Her reaction: She will probably throw a bitch fit. She’s never been dumped. It’ll be a nightmare considering she has a ton of guys who are gym rats as friends in a new town I don’t even know my own way around in. Not a good scenario, either, when you think about it.

Nothing bad will happen to you. All that will happen is that you will not get to bang her anymore.

4. Tell her she is moving too fast.
Her reaction: I think her reaction will be simply banging the other guys even more, realizing I am a waste of her time. She couldn’t razzle dazzle me with her vagina, so I feel as if she will instead move on to the other guys on the side… this one may be the best option. But it’ll end any hopes of having a relationship work out.

MGTOW do not need or want relationships, so why are you stressing?

Or there is the possibility that:

5. She really DOES like me a lot, and has plutonic friends who are guys who aren’t interested in her sexually. And maybe I’ve been too hurt in the past to give her a fair chance.

I am not a mind reader so I can not tell what any of these people are thinking or how they feel about each other but I can make a few educated guesses. No person, man or woman, invests a lot of time into ANYTHING that they do not expect to get something back from. No one. This girl is investing a lot of time and energy into finding the right chump to foot the bill.

You can believe that you found the golden NAWALT but from everything you have said about this girls it sounds like she is the standard female.

Or maybe I’m right, and this is one really f~~~ed situation that I am just not capable of winning in. I’ve dated a lot of females, had a lot of them temporarily move in… NONE of them moved this fast… OR were as hot as she is.

Since when did hotness = integrity? You are thinking with your little head. You are letting it override your wisdom, or cloud your judgment.

I feel as if she has other motives for moving so fast with me. I -know- it’s not my looks. Perhaps I’d be best of to not know and to just get her out of my life as fast as I can.

Let me save you the suspense, she has interior motives. No doubt. I am sure you are an good looking guy, the only way a woman can get together with a really ugly guys is if he has a metric s~~~ ton of money, so have some confidence in your looks.

Ignorance is never bliss my friend and do not let anyone ever tell you differently. You can choose to get her out of your life relatively easy or keep her around for sex but remember to always wear a rubber and to dispose of them yourself.

 Your thoughts?

To sum it up. Please believe me when I say I am not being harsh for no reason.

You have one serious question to ask yourself. Am I a MGTOW? If you ponder and decide that you are then you know what needs to be done. If you decide that your are not I wish you all the luck in the world and pray that you have found the golden NAWALT.

Also keep in mind I am the kind of MGHOW who believes ALL relationships with females are worthless. Just so you know what my biases are.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

You’re absolutely right, she’s using you for stability and f~~~ing other dudes. Is the pussy she’s giving you really THAT good? I mean, you had it already and she can’t take that away from you but now you’re just getting played and no pussy you’ve already had is good enough to be worth that, certainly not for a MGHOW.

1) Throw away the consumables (toothbrush, shampoo and crap).
2) Pack her valuables up and bring them with you to meet her in a very public location. Tape the box shut so she can’t open it right away and grief you about throwing away the toothbrush.
3) Tell her calmly but loudly enough for other people to hear that you’re through and for her to never come back to your place. Nearby people should be turning to watch you at this point… you want witnesses.
4) Don’t argue with her about it. Just sit stone faced, let her respond for a minute or two then say “Okay, you’ve had your say and now I’m leaving. Good bye.”
5) Get up and walk away and don’t look back. Then block her number, delete her from your phone and unfriend her from your Facebook.
6) Move the f~~~ on!

Think of her as an invading alien force… she’s established a foothold on your planet and now you’ve got to burn her out… nuke her from orbit if you have to. It’s the only way.

In the future, never EVER let a woman get a foothold in your apartment. That bulls~~~ about needing her own toothbrush, it always starts with that… tell her “You just had my c~~~ in your mouth and you want your own toothbrush? Lol, you’re funny.” and ignore it. If she leaves anything consumable, throw it away. If she leaves anything valuable, package it up and then plan to meet her in a public place the next time and give it back to her. Do this for as long as you intend to keep her around so that she’ll know she can’t establish herself at your place… then you’ll find out how much she really “likes you”.

[liventhedreamParticipant 42]

Man, I stopped reading at the “she moved in on the second date” but “wont a acknowledge a relationship” bit.

Kick her ass to the curb, seriously, shes using you.

Edit: Docfenders is right on, except I would do 5 first. Then the rest. Disable her ability to disrupt your life in any way before making any moves.

[F4CCParticipant 20]

Before you kick her out, see if you can get one of her girl friends to do a threesome, why not?

[TheRunningManParticipant 71]

Thanks a TON for the advice. I can understand you questioning me to see if I am really a MGTOW and your answer is definitely YES brother. The power of pussy is strong with this girl, believe me. Update on the situation…

So I have been giving her the chance to redeem herself and so far so good… she is a nagger (nothing new with all women). She invited me over to her place tonight, reluctantly, but she did. I think she knew I would eventually crash at her place, and honestly I pushed to go to her place as a way to kind of keep her out of my place for awhile. Anyways, I go to her house, and I tell myself “I’m going to learn much about her by how she lives.”

Indeed. F~~~ing Eye. F~~~ing Opening.

Enter her house, it’s old but spacious. Instantly there’s a mess all over the floor and a huge, bald guy with tattoos probably in his mid thirties walks past and grunts as I entered the door and was introduced as her ‘boyfriend’. I was then told that the big bald dude with tattoos everywhere was her sister’s ex boyfriend, who happens to live with her and her sister, and his new girlfriend. Yes, this guy has his girlfriend living with him at his ex’s house. My girlfriend is his ex’s sister. Hope you can keep track of that f~~~ery, I know, it’s hard.
So a run down so you don’t get lost here…
My ‘girlfriend’ has a sister who lives with her. My girlfriend’s sister’s ex boyfriend lives with them as well as her ex boyfriend’s new girlfriend.

Yeah, complicated f~~~ing s~~~. I don’t even want to know, but let me tell you, it felt like a timebomb was going off in that place every second I was there. How is that situation even LIVABLE?

So further updates here…
I go to her room, chill for a bit and everything seemed a bit more calm and quiet. She asks me to go to the kitchen. Her sister’s baby daddy (ex) and his girlfriend are in the kitchen. Dude is acting like a complete alpha, making fun of my girlfriend, physically teasing her and doing the same to his woman. At this point I’m realizing this guy is running on pure male animal instinct.. he’s trying to see if he can bait me to get p~~~ed at his actions towards my girl. I don’t buy into it, because I’m smarter than he is. So, guy continues to act like a complete asshole and leaves for a few minutes. I then find out he’s a felon, who went to jail for a stint of 10 years for beating someone within an inch of their life and shooting someone. Ahh, lovely. Then the guy comes back, and brags openly about all the guys he has ‘beaten within an inch of their lives’ for about 30 minutes. Again, pure male animal instinct here going on. He tries to intimidate me but I just calmly don’t buy into it and stand my ground. He feels the tension and left the room. I went back to my girlfriend’s room with her, and then learned that her ex boyfriend was this guy’s best friend, and that they dated about a month before she met me. Oh, and he’s also a felon. And just in case you thought this s~~~ wouldn’t get worse fellas… her ex felon boyfriend? Yeah, he lives with her parents… who live right next f~~~ing door to her… to make it better, after all of that she said things like:

“I was having a panic attack before you came over, I didn’t know how you’d handle the situation.”
And
“I get the feeling you aren’t comfortable here.” (DUH, ya think?)
And
“I’m so freaked out, I get the feeling I won’t see you anymore.” (NO S~~~!?)

So yeah. Now it makes f~~~ing sense.
Clearly she wants out of the situation, sees me, a successful attractive guy, and I’m her f~~~ing ticket to the bank to escape. However she’s still ‘friends’ with these people so she can’t just cut ties without making 110% sure that she has me completely manipulated.
Then when she gets OUT of the situation, she’ll continue to f~~~ around with felons.

 

What am I going to do? Simple.
Tomorrow I am blowing her ass off. Completely.
And then?
I’m going to meet her for coffee on my day off, in public. Going to wear a backpack that contains a wonderful box… that contains all of her f~~~ing s~~~ she left here.

Then in public, I’m going to tell that I’m sorry, but I have worked too hard to date a girl who is almost guaranteed to ruin everything I have worked my ass off for. And good luck.

Then I’m f~~~ing locking my doors. Because that dude is a f~~~ing nutter. Probably going to park my car in a different spot too.

KNEW there was some s~~~ going on, though. KNEW it. 😉 Thanks for the advice fellas.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Wow. That’s an incredible s~~~ storm of crazy she’s got there. Love the “wonderful box” of all her s~~~ concept. Kerb that crazy before it blows up in your face. You may want to start circling in a different part of town for a while, even, just to avoid any “accidental” run-ins.

Lol, one time I went over to this chick’s house I was seeing the morning after she’d thrown a party (which I attended but left early as I felt a s~~~ show coming on) and when I got there her ex boyfriend was sleeping on the couch… I thought that was pretty bad but your story takes the cake… metal file and everything!

[TheRunningManParticipant 71]

So updates… She is coming over as we speak to pick up her stuff. When I told her I couldn’t do it, she was surprisingly cool and collected about it. This leads me to believe she has other dudes on the side, probably the ex who lived next door. I’m just waiting for her to come by to pick up the wonderful box I have sitting here, then it seems as if I am out Scott free and dodged a bullet here… F~~~ing relief gents… That’s what I’m feeling. Relief. If anything bad happens I will update with a reply however, I think I’m in the clear. Thank. F~~~ing. God.

[ShruggerParticipant 10]

That s~~~ at her place was down right scary. Wouldn’t be surprised if she’s a sociopath due to a f~~~ed up childhood. Chasing felons and having xbf felons live with her parents next door is not something a healthy individual would tolerate.

She was probably hesitant to have you over because of what you say, but said yes hoping you’d see how terrible it was and offer her to come live with you. She took a gamble and lost, that’s why she is being calm and collected, she knew the gamble didn’t pay and knew that would be one of two outcomes.

Maybe her xbf didn’t even live with her parents next door, maybe she just said it in hopes you’d get jealous and wanting her to come live with you even more?

Who the f~~~ knows, too many unknowns, only two things are sure; she’s a f~~~ed up individual and you made the right call. 🙂

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Get out.  This is a no win scenario.  Don’t even try to rationalize it.  GTFO.  Literally right now.  Close your computer right now.  Get her out or you will be destroyed.

[DybbukParticipant 182]

She really DOES like me a lot, and has plutonic friends who are guys

Was that a typo, or are you coining a new term? I like it…Pluto was the Roman god of the underworld. So “plutonic” friends are friends from hell!!

 

 

[Tbowden1Participant 195]

Man I hope you can get out of this as easily as you made it seem. These are the types of situations where there should be no questions asked, no attempt at rationalizing, no consideration of feelings.. NOTHING. Get. The. F~~~. OUT!

“This leads me to believe she has other dudes on the side, probably the ex who lived next door”

Please stop thinking like this. It is only going to cause issues for you in the future as you will always be questioning WHY this happened. Who gives a s~~~ who the other guy was? You’re right, it could be the ex who lives next door, it could be the bald guy with the tattoos, s~~~ it could be George Clooney for all you know. The point is, it makes no difference. Get yourself out of the mindset of wondering who she goes to after you. She is, inevitably, going to f~~~ and suck many more guys after you. This is ONLY going to be a problem if you continue to wonder who, why, what, and when. Women are like urinals. When you go take a p~~~.. do you wonder what other guys have came in to take p~~~ in the same urinal? No, you get your business done and move on without so much of an inkling of  a thought.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Was that a typo, or are you coining a new term? I like it…Pluto was the Roman god of the underworld. So “plutonic” friends are friends from hell!!

Lol, I’m definitely going to use that!

[GrefParticipant 203]

Holy f~~~ing s~~~b~~~~ dude! My jaw dropped so hard while reading the part where you went to her house!

Glad you made it out of this unscathed, so many things could have gone wrong had she moved in with you.

[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]

[In Which We ServeParticipant 111]

One thing I would say is stay away from Facebook!

It’s ok in moderation for swapping jokes or promoting your home business (about all I use it for).

Otherwise it’s just like an online version of a hen coop.

Once you start worrying about womens’ profiles, who’s ‘liked’ whom and all that rubbish, your testosterone levels will plummet like a stone!

[TheNinjaUWannaH8Participant 386]

[Author]

Posts