Real reason women expect men to pay?

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

To most mgtow, you can see this s~~~ from a mile away. They expect men to pay because they are in debt. So now a man has to pay for your bad decisions you’ve made? Live within your means, bitch. It’s not like some curse, or some meteor that fell out of the sky on your head. You have control over this sort of s~~~.

And she’ll use a man to pay off that debt, then what? You think she’s going to appreciate that s~~~? You think she’s gonna hang around? F~~~ no, once you’ve spent all that money she’s gone.

Also, gotta love how the article is focused on women, everything’s a GAP. There’s a debt gap. It’s not because there’s some conspiracy against women by the evil patriarchy, it’s because you have no self control. It’s a problem totally avoided if women took responsibility for themselves. But they won’t, it’s always the man’s fault.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

narwhal wrote:

I agree with those who are saying it’s about power/validation. Men generally pay because it gives the impression that they ‘have what it takes’. Women want the man to pay because it shows ‘she’s worth it’. It also helps establish the power structure between the two.

Kind of related, but I’ll be getting a dog in a week or so and have read up on training. Dogs are pack animals and there is general understanding about how the alpha dog is to behave. The alpha does not allow the others to touch him without his consent. He always goes first and decides what behavior is allowed and isn’t. To properly train a dog, you should establish yourself as the alpha to keep the dog in line.

Back to dating, I think the same principles apply. She decides when/if touching will occur. She always goes first and decides what behavior is allowed. She wants you to pay because she’s establishing herself as the alpha in the relationship.

Well put. I used to be a professional dog trainer and can attest to what you are saying. The problem is that men are allowing women to be like the Alpha dog. They have to get down on their knee like a submissive pack member to beg a woman to marry them and have to bribe the pack leader with an expensive diamond ring to win it’s favor.
This works well in nature because the Alpha dog has earned his position. In humans women get this status because they are “sexy” and bat their eyelashes with the promise of sex – maybe.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anonymous wrote:

Half the time a bunch of you whine like this that women expect you to pay. The other half complain about women going after “broke losers” that obviously don’t pay a dime.

And you’re too stupid to realize women don’t make rational choices. Women don’t go after broke losers they go after men that just happen to be broke. These broke losers are more confident than the nice guy. Women are in auto pilot. I had several women offer to pay when i was dating but I choose to pay and I didn’t date much. Back when i was dating women didn’t say men had to pay.
I do expect women to pay if I’m going to date.

The reason I brought is up is that I’m tired of hearing it on youtube. Then read a blog from a woman who was in deep debt. Her boyfriend was obviously paying for the dates. She was in so bad shape that she moved in with her parents and the debt kept on climbing.

Eventually she learned from her boyfriend who is now her husband. She was able to pay off the $30 000 debt and save several thousand dollars. the only f~~~ing stupid thing she did was buy a house.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

The only debt I ever had are my school loans, and in a few years, I’ll have those completely paid off.

When you’re a MGTOW, you tend to always be debt free or very close to it because you don’t spend your money on stupid s~~~ unlike women.

And even if we do end up buying expensive things, they tend to last us at least 10 years or more. We don’t buy $500 dollar pair of shoes that only last us a week.

Only women do that kind of stupid s~~~.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anthony wrote:

The only debt I ever had are my school loans, and in a few years, I’ll have those completely paid off.

When you’re a MGTOW, you tend to always be debt free or very close to it because you don’t spend your money on stupid s~~~ unlike women.

And even if we do end up buying expensive things, they tend to last us at least 10 years or more. We don’t buy $500 dollar pair of shoes that only last us a week.

Only women do that kind of stupid s~~~.

OMG I was p~~~ed when my parents bought me a pair of expensive dress shoes back in the 80’s. it cost $800 f~~~ing dollars. I went ape s~~~, I asked them if I can send it back or sell it. Today’s dollars is at least double that.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

Best thing…is to have a nice meal, order the most expensive item, and bottle of wine…order dessert…then excuse yourself telling her you will be right back…and slip out the door and drive away.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

OMG I was p~~~ed when my parents bought me a pair of expensive dress shoes back in the 80’s. it cost $800 f~~~ing dollars. I went ape s~~~,

I would’ve went completely apes~~~ as well. Really? $800 dollars for a f~~~ing pair of shoes? My dad wouldn’t even spend that kind of money on shoes even if he were rich.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anthony wrote:

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OMG I was p~~~ed when my parents bought me a pair of expensive dress shoes back in the 80’s. it cost $800 f~~~ing dollars. I went ape s~~~,

I would’ve went completely apes~~~ as well. Really? $800 dollars for a f~~~ing pair of shoes? My dad wouldn’t even spend that kind of money on shoes even if he were rich.

Yes it was Italian shoes it was the top of the lines. Totally waste of money I only wore it a few times before I grew out of it. Sure I bought $3000 4 wheeler however I got to use it for a few years and eventually sold it for half the price. But the shoes I never got to really use it long enough.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[AttonParticipant]

Women like this are a real threat to the uninformed man.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

That’s very interesting: 63% vs 34% and 66% vs 33% are very huge differences, I wouldn’t have mind about a difference like 2 or 3 points but here we have something very relevant.

It explains A LOT of things: it explains all that support towards feminism, even by corporations.

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[experiencedParticipant]

Silverstone the Second wrote:

F~~~ no, once you’ve spent all that money she’s gone.

As said in, “Predatory Female”, laydeez are grinding wheels, making sparks only while you turn the handle.
They require constant effort from you; they never think of what you could be provided with by them.

Olden days = men provide, laydeez actively appreciate, take care of home without modern appliances.
Nowadays = men provide, women cheat/want more/act obnoxious/act entitled/neglect their hygiene/collect purses, shoes, STD’s/lead men on acting traditional-then slaughter the same guys by acting all empowered-by divorce court/false rape court/false violence court, slander etc., redistribution of wealth from wage earners to “sit on your assers”.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anonymous wrote:

This site cracks me up sometimes.

Half the time a bunch of you whine like this that women expect you to pay. The other half complain about women going after “broke losers” that obviously don’t pay a dime.

So much contradiction. So much dissonance. And it all sources from the desperate need for female validation that some on here obsess over but can’t get. It’s blue pill, and you should work through it, but instead of realizing that and making improvements you’ll deny it and lash out defensively. The truth hurts.

I never had to pay for a thing as a young man. Now maybe I would have to, but I don’t date, so I don’t care. Those of you that are older should know better. Those of you that are younger I don’t know what to say, just admit you suck with women and stop making excuses. Get better if you want to, if not just GYOW and don’t whine about it.

I weep at how pathetic so many young men are these days. Not all, fortunately, but it does seem like the majority. Whiny losers that can’t look introspectively and fix their own issues, but instead want to complain when somebody points it out, and have a “safe space” where they can rage like little brats.

Says the dude that bitches about watching videos. Is your life that miserable that you can’t get laid? Because you are acting like snake. I’m not young you stupid ass unless you think going near 50 is young.

Who said I don’t look inwards? How come you don’t reply to me? Of course you have nothing but childish insults and cry like a baby that entitled to go your own way.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

Eric Lauder wrote:

That’s very interesting: 63% vs 34% and 66% vs 33% are very huge differences, I wouldn’t have mind about a difference like 2 or 3 points but here we have something very relevant.

It explains A LOT of things: it explains all that support towards feminism, even by corporations.

Especially by corporations. These soulless entities will sell their mothers for a buck.

[Paul23Blocked 280]

I can put my masculinity, my freedom, my happiness and my money on the line but why settle with sluts or whores? I am happy I’m single and I don’t have any female company with me whatsoever (no female friends, side bitches, etc) besides my mother. This means I can live my life however I want and still enjoy it! About credit cards, pfft I have my own credit card debt, I don’t need to pay someone else’s bulls~~~.

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