Potheads Are Annoying

[Anonymous 42]

I’d offer aspirin but pot doesn’t give people head and body aches.

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Anonymous wrote:

Duke Togo wrote:

I think alot of what you said about cannabis can be applied to alcohol and alcoholics also.

I also think that you should speak with more “pot heads”, as I think you are painting all pot users with the same brush. Not all pot users are the same, and you will definitely be surprised about the type of people who so use it. Some people don’t speak about their use because of all the public’s perception of the drug and its users.

Try some for yourself and decide on it without what you think about the drug itself and other pot users.

Pot is not as harmful as many believe, especially when compared to other available drugs, both street and prescribed.

If the question on whether alcohol and marijuana were brought up for discussion again to decide on legalization, I highly doubt we would have the same rules regarding the two as we do today, especially in light of all the evidence available now after all these years.

Drugs, like everything else, can be used and abused. If you are an idiot, you will end up being an idiot, drugs or no drugs. An intelligent person will use a drug and not let it affect them negatively, but an idiot, will use anything and the outcome will have a higher than normal probability and possibility of screwing them up.

If you are going to do drugs, I recommend reading up on it before making any concrete decision. Drugs have helped plenty in their lives, both professional and personal.

Why are you assuming I have never taken drugs or that I have no personal experience on the subject?

Why is it that all you potheads want to assume that I have no experience in life. I could write a multi-volume work covering my life experience, most of it pretty unpleasant.

You’re just another pothead who thinks he knows everything about everything and can read people’s minds and knows what they have done with their lives, all because you smoke some stuff.

You also keep banging on about alcohol. You don’t seem to grasp how stupid that makes you look. Just because something that might be more harmful is legal, it doesn’t follow that the less harmful thing should also be legal. That’s faulty logic. And the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of what happened in the past are irrelevant today. Cannabis remains illegal in most civilised countries because it is harmful.

However I agree with some of what you say – but like almost everything potheads come out with, you are only giving us a selective version of the arguments.

I agree that some cannabis users are more intelligent and responsible than others, and some will be high-functioning, but that doesn’t prove anything of significance. All that tells us is that some people use cannabis to cope, or can cope despite using it. The same can be said of any drug – including, especially, alcohol. So what? It doesn’t mean we should officially condone cannabis as well.

This again goes back to my point, which I made on a different thread, that the conditions under which cannabis could be sensible legalised and officially condoned are highly contingent.

If you have a society full of either high IQ or otherwise highly capable and responsible adults who have the ability to live relatively freely and autonomously, then yes, all kinds of liberal measures could be passed – we could legalise cannabis, open up the prisons and do lots of things, and any adverse or harmful side-effects could be contained and minimised.

We do not live in such a society. Under present circumstances, the people who want cannabis legalised are mostly either those who use it or those who stand to make a profit from selling it.

1. You assumed also. I will not bother pointing out all your assumptions.

2. Prove I am a pothead or state that you believe I am a pothead only because of my post.

3. Bang on about alcohol? I mentioned it and also drugs in general, both street and prescribed.

4. I dont care how what I said makes me look. I made a contribution to the discussion.

5. A selective version of the arguments? For crying out loud I only limited what I had to say in a few lines. I didnt intend to lay out an all inclusive argument for and against drug use.

6. “the conditions under which cannabis could be sensible legalised and officially condoned are highly contingent. ” Same could be said for plenty of drugs. Alcohol, DMT, the list could go on.

7. I hope you noted that I am not teh only one here who opined you are painting all pot users with the same brush.

8. Cannabis legalization has the image of it only being wanted by people who want use it or make money of it is a really weak statement. Back to alcohol, no wait you sound butt hurt about me using alcohol as an example, lets say prescription drugs then, are they not legal because people want to use them or make money from them?

Jack, like I said before:

“If the question on whether alcohol and marijuana were brought up for discussion again to decide on legalization, I highly doubt we would have the same rules regarding the two as we do today, especially in light of all the evidence available now after all these years.”

[BoarParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Again, typical pothead logic – thinks he can read my mind and, of course, knows everything because he smokes some sheeeeit.

So, because I don’t agree with you I am a pothead? Now that is tuna logic in action!

Keymaster, time for the punt!

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[Anonymous 3]

Boar wrote:

Jack, your entire original post has nothing to do with MGTOW. In fact, it is the opposite. You are seeking a safe space where you can feel

Jack wrote:

comfortable

This particular agenda has only one element: restrain the actions of the men here. You paint a pretty picture of ‘policing for the benefit of others’ but I doubt you will find many takers here.

As an interesting aside, replace pot with feminism and reread his original post. Very amusing.

That’s fine. Good luck with it. I’ve got work to do.

[Anonymous 42]

I don’t understand how that after 6,000 years without one single OVERDOSE @ any and every AGE, can anyone get their panties all bunched up inside that cameltoe???

[EntropyParticipant 902]

9/11 was an inside job!!

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[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

It doesn’t relate to men going their own way because it’s a concern troll. Think about it, don’t feed the troll.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[EntropyParticipant 902]

Whoops wrong thread…

"Compare your lives to mine and then kill yourselves" -BBR

[Anonymous 3]

Duke Togo wrote:

1. You assumed also. I will not bother pointing out all your assumptions.

It doesn’t matter to the validity of my arguments whether you are a pothead or not, but it does matter to the validity of YOUR arguments whether I have any such experience.

Duke Togo wrote:

2. Prove I am a pothead or state that you believe I am a pothead only because of my post.

Ditto. It doesn’t matter to MY points whether you are or not, but it does matter to YOUR points whether I have any experience of this.

The point is you were making assumptions about my experience and using this as a crutch for your posts.

That’s bad argument.

Duke Togo wrote:

3. Bang on about alcohol? I mentioned it and also drugs in general, both street and prescribed.

No, you and others are bringing it up. I am just responding by pointing out the faulty logic of relying on the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of cannabis prohibition in the past and also the comparison with alcohol to try and justify legalisation now.

Duke Togo wrote:

5. A selective version of the arguments? For crying out loud I only limited what I had to say in a few lines. I didnt intend to lay out an all inclusive argument for and against drug use.

I wasn’t suggesting that is what you are doing. Again, you show that you can’t read properly. I was saying that you use arguments that are in and of themselves selective in that they are truthful up to a point but don’t cover the full points. I illustrated this in my last post. You’re now upset because I’m demonstrating this.

Go ahead and join in with all your juvenile friends and attack me. It doesn’t make you more of a man, does it.

On a separate but related note, telling me that you don’t have time or space to make an all-inclusive case it not an excuse for putting forward faulty logic and bad arguments.

Duke Togo wrote:

6. “the conditions under which cannabis could be sensible legalised and officially condoned are highly contingent. ” Same could be said for plenty of drugs. Alcohol, DMT, the list could go on.

Yes, and that’s exactly what I have said myself – but how does this help the case for legalising cannabis?

Oh wait…it doesn’t. Oh f~~~….

Duke Togo wrote:

8. Cannabis legalization has the image of it only being wanted by people who want use it or make money of it is really weak. Back to alcohol, no wait you sound butt hurt about me using alcohol as an example, lets say prescription drugs then, are they not legal because people want to use them or make money from them?

Where have I said I am “butthurt” about you using alcohol. I couldn’t even care less.

You’re going into this comparison stuff again, which is not about making a logical or coherent case for cannabis legalisation, but just an attempt to muddy the waters.

Duke Togo wrote:

Jack, like I said before:

“If the question on whether alcohol and marijuana were brought up for discussion again to decide on legalization, I highly doubt we would have the same rules regarding the two as we do today, especially in light of all the evidence available now after all these years.”

Which is completely and totally and utterly irrelevant.

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t understand how that after 6,000 years without one single OVERDOSE @ any and every AGE, can anyone get their panties all bunched up inside that cameltoe???

I see what you did there 😉

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

It doesn’t relate to men going their own way because it’s a concern troll. Think about it, don’t feed the troll.

My bad.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I’d offer aspirin but pot doesn’t give people head and body aches.

This is one of the reasons that I am seriously considering and investigating medical marijuana as an alternative to the frigging pain killers and muscle relaxants I’ve been on for the last decade.
Perhaps that makes me a pot head?
Maybe I’ll get violent with a bag of cheetos?
Lead to a life of crime? Or living in my own basement stoned and watching bad t.v and saying duuuude all the time?
Isn’t that my choice to take that chance?

EDIT-
BTW I am not fond of cheetos

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

Jack wrote:

all you potheads

You people! you people! you people! You shameful slithering creatures!

But that’s not really an intelligent comment, and there is different way of looking at this. Shaming does have a necessary role.

Again, to use an analogy, if I was to come on here and argue for rape, robbery or murder without any legal consequences, you would rightly condemn me. Nobody would have an issue with shaming in those circumstances. Nobody would say that you’re less of a “man” for shaming if that were the reason.

My point being that shaming is not a bad thing in and of itself. It could even be seen as a necessary thing. So we’re left with a discussion/argument over when shaming is proportionate and justified and when it maybe isn’t.

[Note: I am not saying that cannabis use is the same as murder and those other crimes. It’s an analogy, and analogies are never perfect].

As for the relevancy to MGTOW, I could twist the point round and ask what cannabis has to do with MGTOW?

If I decide to stick needles in myself or smoke crack, am I Going My Own Way? Maybe, but in a good way or a bad way?

[Anonymous 3]

Boar wrote:

Jack, your entire original post has nothing to do with MGTOW. In fact, it is the opposite. You are seeking a safe space where you can feel

Jack wrote:

comfortable

This particular agenda has only one element: restrain the actions of the men here. You paint a pretty picture of ‘policing for the benefit of others’ but I doubt you will find many takers here.

As an interesting aside, replace pot with feminism and reread his original post. Very amusing.

No, I’m not falling for it. This is just a feminine tactic of shaming. I am a man and I have a right to assert my opinion.

I am not seeking a safe space. If I were, I would hardly post on here. I have said that people should be allowed to discuss this.

[UnicronParticipant 752]

Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.

[Anonymous 3]

Unicron wrote:

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This is juvenile bulls~~~.

[Duke TogoParticipant 2664]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOW wrote:

Jack wrote:

all you potheads

You people! you people! you people! You shameful slithering creatures!

But that’s not really an intelligent comment, and there is different way of looking at this. Shaming does have a necessary role.

Again, to use an analogy, if I was to come on here and argue for rape, robbery or murder without any legal consequences, you would rightly condemn me. Nobody would have an issue with shaming in those circumstances. Nobody would say that you’re less of a “man” for shaming if that were the reason.

My point being that shaming is not a bad thing in and of itself. It could even be seen as a necessary thing. So we’re left with a discussion/argument over when shaming is proportionate and justified and when it maybe isn’t.

[Note: I am not saying that cannabis use is the same as murder and those other crimes. It’s an analogy, and analogies are never perfect].

As for the relevancy to MGTOW, I could twist the point round and ask what cannabis has to do with MGTOW?

If I decide to stick needles in myself or smoke crack, am I Going My Own Way? Maybe, but in a good way or a bad way?

Jack

We all get it, you think everyone who speaks about pot with an opinion that differs from yours a pothead and you find potheads annoying.

Sorry to point this out to you… but you killed the thread man. The discussion is dead.

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[Anonymous 3]

Duke Togo wrote:

Jack wrote:

MGTOW wrote:

Jack wrote:

all you potheads

You people! you people! you people! You shameful slithering creatures!

But that’s not really an intelligent comment, and there is different way of looking at this. Shaming does have a necessary role.

Again, to use an analogy, if I was to come on here and argue for rape, robbery or murder without any legal consequences, you would rightly condemn me. Nobody would have an issue with shaming in those circumstances. Nobody would say that you’re less of a “man” for shaming if that were the reason.

My point being that shaming is not a bad thing in and of itself. It could even be seen as a necessary thing. So we’re left with a discussion/argument over when shaming is proportionate and justified and when it maybe isn’t.

[Note: I am not saying that cannabis use is the same as murder and those other crimes. It’s an analogy, and analogies are never perfect].

As for the relevancy to MGTOW, I could twist the point round and ask what cannabis has to do with MGTOW?

If I decide to stick needles in myself or smoke crack, am I Going My Own Way? Maybe, but in a good way or a bad way?

Jack

We all get it, you think everyone who speaks about pot with an opinion that differs from yours a pothead and you find potheads annoying.

Actually, my view is close to this, yes. I think the people who support legalisation tend to either be users themselves or people who want to profit from legalisation. So in a way, what you say is true.

If the thread is “dead”, then maybe that’s because you can’t actually respond to my points? I know there are good arguments in favour of cannabis – I could put them forward myself – but I haven’t seen them here.

This just feels like arguing with little children, and I maintain my position that it does MGTOW no good whatsoever to be associated with cannabis, that cannabis advocates are closed-minded, oppressive and pushy and that wider cannabis use affects the rest of society (which may or or may not be shaming, but if it affected you, you’d be the first to complain).

Every time I make a point against cannabis based on my real-life experience, the cannabis advocates on here dismiss it and invalidate my experiences, as if I’m a non-person. They deny that cannabis is linked to mental health problems, even though the medical evidence for this is strong. They deny there is any correlation or associative link between cannabis and violence, despite the fact that the issue is under learned discussion by academics and clinicians all over the internet.

This isn’t a discussion, it’s a whitewash.

[TuneoutParticipant]

I can only add to this that being a guy who likes his

beer I’d rather be around potheads when socializing

than fellow drinkers.

IME most people can’t handle their alcohol and turn

into idiots & A-holes after a few.

However the people I’ve been around who smoke pot have

been pretty relaxed and easy going,even after smoking

a few.

Alcohol esp hard liquor has been the cause of more

misery and BS than pot will ever be.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

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