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Anonymous3I can’t stand potheads, but I accept that we all have to tolerate things and I agree that, regarding most situations in life, it should be ‘each to their own’ and live and let live, etc. However in the matter of cannabis, there are other points to consider.
Cannabis users don’t actually believe in individual freedom in a constructive sense. What they believe in is the freedom to harm themselves and other people. That may be freedom, but it is not a freedom I would like many other people to have. It’s like giving a minority of people the freedom to murder without legal repercussions, while the rest of us are left defenceless. That is not to say minority freedoms are wrong. In fact, I would argue the opposite: a true test of freedom is whether society will tolerate a minority harmful pursuit, but whether this is sensible in each particular case has to be assessed in a level-headed way. We have criminal laws to regulate behaviour because, left unchecked, people will do things that harm not just themselves, but other innocent people.
The problem with cannabis is that it harms or adversely affects people around the user. Usually, the user is completely oblivious to this. Indeed, when it comes to rationalising their habit, cannabis users tend to exhibit a quintessentially solipsistic mentality, believing something along the lines of, “It’s my body and I’ll do what I want”, but this is shortsighted and unrealistic in that it fails to recognise how others have to deal with and bear the burden of our individual choices and actions.
To me, cannabis is the apotheosis of the selfish liberal attitude to life. Users simply can’t wrap their heads around the concept that others might have simple, everyday liberties that should take precedence over the liberty to f~~~ your brain up. Legitimate ideas about human freedom and self-actualisation are twisted by the pothead in the pursuit of a grim and destructive (and self-destructive) habit.
I should have the right to walk around my town without being threatened, abused and assaulted by dope fiends. I should have the right to keep the money I earn without it being spent on unnecessary mental health services and support for selfish people, or on cancer treatments for people who were too selfish and stupid to refrain from smoking. I also have a wish not to live in some kind of Huxleyian dystopia full of medicated dopes. I want to live in a healthy society where people are, on the whole, sober and rational and confront human problems rather than escape from them.
Just some of the many reasons why in most of the civilised world, cannabis remains officially an illegal drug for recreational purposes. I’m sure it’s true that there are other, more sinister, reasons for the legal status of cannabis, but that does not invalidate the more reasoned grounds – it’s a harmful drug.
Of course intelligent people can argue over these points and I fully understand that it’s not for me to say how this site should be run – please don’t think I’m trying to do that – but I am aware that there are people on this site who are actively trying to promote cannabis and push it on to other users, and I am not comfortable with this.
I think some signal is now needed from the owners of this site as to their position on the subject – not whether cannabis should be legal (that’s irrelevant to the management of this site), but whether the promotion of cannabis use will be tolerated on here, and if so, what the ground rules are going to be.
I tend to find that cannabis smokers are obsessive on the subject and will not accommodate people’s natural and understandable concerns. They ignore the negative side of their drug of choice, are in denial about its link to mental health issues and violence, and think that because they smoke a drug they know everything about everything. I fully expect that my thoughts here will be twisted and misrepresented.
I realise that other legal substances – I’m thinking here in particular of alcohol – are perhaps more harmful, both medically and socially, but that is not an argument for legalising cannabis or condoning its use.
I accept that the question of whether cannabis should be legalised is a legitimate subject for debate, but in my view, the best approach is to ask users to discuss that in the political section of this site and confine their discussions there. This forum shouldn’t be a place for promoting harmful drugs. We may or may not as individuals believe cannabis should be legalised (I accept there are good arguments one way or the other) but it does not follow that any of us should condone it or allow the forum to be overtaken by obsessives who want to push the issue.
I think alot of what you said about cannabis can be applied to alcohol and alcoholics also.
I also think that you should speak with more “pot heads”, as I think you are painting all pot users with the same brush. Not all pot users are the same, and you will definitely be surprised about the type of people who so use it. Some people don’t speak about their use because of all the public’s perception of the drug and its users.
Try some for yourself and decide on it without what you think about the drug itself and other pot users.
Pot is not as harmful as many believe, especially when compared to other available drugs, both street and prescribed.
If the question on whether alcohol and marijuana were brought up for discussion again to decide on legalization, I highly doubt we would have the same rules regarding the two as we do today, especially in light of all the evidence available now after all these years.
Drugs, like everything else, can be used and abused. If you are an idiot, you will end up being an idiot, drugs or no drugs. An intelligent person will use a drug and not let it affect them negatively, but an idiot, will use anything and the outcome will have a higher than normal probability and possibility of screwing them up.
If you are going to do drugs, I recommend reading up on it before making any concrete decision. Drugs have helped plenty in their lives, both professional and personal.
This issue is a great revelation of the root of feminine thought & behavior.
We can pass laws to make the use of marijuana legal, but we can NEVER pass a law to make its use healthy. This is in harmony with the Laws of Health.
Women think that by using imposed law, and the power of the state, they can get everything they want — equality, Title IX, no fault divorce, reduced prison sentences for crime, decreased accountability, government subsidies, etc. Whey you use coercive force, however, rebellion is born [MGTOW]. It’s a natural law. The Law of Liberty.
When America legislated women the privilege of voting, it became legal, but it will never be healthy [for individuals or the nation].
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
Anonymous42If potheads “bother you” so much then please point them out so Keymaster can kick their stoned asses out of here when they loose it and go CRAZY just like the DRUNKS beating on other members.
Put them up against the wall,,,,,,,,
There’s one smoking a joint, and another with spots! IF I HAD MY WAY,,,, I’D HAVE ALL OF THEM SHOT!!! (Pink Floyd, The Wall)
Anonymous54F~~~ you ,you stinking little c~~~.
It is very interesting that if you replace pothead with women, the post still mostly makes sense.
That aside, how is this MGTOW in any way?
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Old Sage wrote:
F~~~ you ,you stinking little c~~~.
Well said, I second that.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Anonymous3F~~~ you ,you stinking little c~~~.
Old Sage wrote:
F~~~ you ,you stinking little c~~~.
Well said, I second that.
Behold – the pothead approach to debate.
It’s soooo intellectual.
Anonymous3It is very interesting that if you replace pothead with women, the post still mostly makes sense.
That aside, how is this MGTOW in any way?
If you’d actually read the post, which you manifestly haven’t, you’d understand that this is precisely my point.
The point here is not per se to argue for or against cannabis (though I do make my own position in the matter very clear). Rather, I am asking whether we should allow the promotion of cannabis here.
It’s obvious there are some people here who want to promote the use of cannabis on this forum.
Everybody knows who these people are. They are very touchy about the subject and quickly become abusive whenever they are challenged.
Potheads are obsessed and will not be told, no matter how many facts or what amount of logic is thrown in their direction.
However…..I am not closed-minded in the matter. I do accept there are some good arguments for legalisation, but if this is a MGTOW forum, then these discussions should – in my humble opinion – be confined to the Politics area of the site.
That said, let me again emphasise: I am not here to tell the owners of this site how to run things. I am just commenting as a humble poster and giving my opinion.
But I am not comfortable with things at the moment.
Not all pot users are potheads. Discussion of a drug or anything else is not necessarily promotion of it.
We discuss the nature of woman on this site, but that does not mean we promote it.
If you’d actually read the post, which you manifestly haven’t, you’d understand that this is precisely my point.
And if you understood my point, you would see that your post is so generic as to be meaningless.
So once again, what has this to do with MGTOW? Why post it here?
Your original post was only designed to stir up dissent among members.
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
But I am not comfortable with things at the moment.
Comfortable?
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Anonymous42AGAINST…… THE …. WALL…. (I like Pink Floyd)
Anonymous3I think alot of what you said about cannabis can be applied to alcohol and alcoholics also.
I also think that you should speak with more “pot heads”, as I think you are painting all pot users with the same brush. Not all pot users are the same, and you will definitely be surprised about the type of people who so use it. Some people don’t speak about their use because of all the public’s perception of the drug and its users.
Try some for yourself and decide on it without what you think about the drug itself and other pot users.
Pot is not as harmful as many believe, especially when compared to other available drugs, both street and prescribed.
If the question on whether alcohol and marijuana were brought up for discussion again to decide on legalization, I highly doubt we would have the same rules regarding the two as we do today, especially in light of all the evidence available now after all these years.
Drugs, like everything else, can be used and abused. If you are an idiot, you will end up being an idiot, drugs or no drugs. An intelligent person will use a drug and not let it affect them negatively, but an idiot, will use anything and the outcome will have a higher than normal probability and possibility of screwing them up.
If you are going to do drugs, I recommend reading up on it before making any concrete decision. Drugs have helped plenty in their lives, both professional and personal.
Why are you assuming I have never taken drugs or that I have no personal experience on the subject?
Why is it that all you potheads want to assume that I have no experience in life. I could write a multi-volume work covering my life experience, most of it pretty unpleasant.
You’re just another pothead who thinks he knows everything about everything and can read people’s minds and knows what they have done with their lives, all because you smoke some stuff.
You also keep banging on about alcohol. You don’t seem to grasp how stupid that makes you look. Just because something that might be more harmful is legal, it doesn’t follow that the less harmful thing should also be legal. That’s faulty logic. And the ‘hows’ and ‘whys’ of what happened in the past are irrelevant today. Cannabis remains illegal in most civilised countries because it is harmful.
However I agree with some of what you say – but like almost everything potheads come out with, you are only giving us a selective version of the arguments.
I agree that some cannabis users are more intelligent and responsible than others, and some will be high-functioning, but that doesn’t prove anything of significance. All that tells us is that some people use cannabis to cope, or can cope despite using it. The same can be said of any drug – including, especially, alcohol. So what? It doesn’t mean we should officially condone cannabis as well.
This again goes back to my point, which I made on a different thread, that the conditions under which cannabis could be sensible legalised and officially condoned are highly contingent.
If you have a society full of either high IQ or otherwise highly capable and responsible adults who have the ability to live relatively freely and autonomously, then yes, all kinds of liberal measures could be passed – we could legalise cannabis, open up the prisons and do lots of things, and any adverse or harmful side-effects could be contained and minimised.
We do not live in such a society. Under present circumstances, the people who want cannabis legalised are mostly either those who use it or those who stand to make a profit from selling it.
…Cannabis users don’t actually believe in individual freedom in a constructive sense. What they believe in is the freedom to harm themselves and other people. That may be freedom, but it is not a freedom I would like many other people to have. It’s like giving a minority of people the freedom to murder without legal repercussions, while the rest of us are left defenceless.
You’re painting with a broad brush. Offensive is taken, never given. Getting butt hurt over an anti-pot ego investment in no way translates to murder. Hyperbole…
The problem with cannabis is that it harms or adversely affects people around the user.
Where are you going that has out of control pot heads ruining the day? What makes you think they are high on pot and not something else?
Users simply can’t wrap their heads around the concept that others might have simple, everyday liberties that should take precedence over the liberty to f~~~ your brain up.
Citation needed…. You seem awfully uppity about YOUR rights, while not considering the ones of those around you.
I should have the right to walk around my town without being threatened, abused and assaulted by dope fiends.
Srsly, I highly doubt those people are high on pot. What you have is a bad case of social programing, let it go man. Pot is not the devil.
Just some of the many reasons why in most of the civilised world, cannabis remains officially an illegal drug for recreational purposes. I’m sure it’s true that there are other, more sinister, reasons for the legal status of cannabis, but that does not invalidate the more reasoned grounds – it’s a harmful drug.
“Harmful Drug” Citation needed…. You haven’t given any reasons, just half throughout ramblings on a topic you know nothing about. Ever tried pot?
but I am aware that there are people on this site who are actively trying to promote cannabis and push it on to other users, and I am not comfortable with this.
Who is “pushing” use onto others? Or is it people are talking about and suggesting it as it a valid option? If you’re not comfortable with it then speak up, use facts, and let the person decide what is best of them.
I think some signal is now needed from the owners of this site as to their position on the subject – not whether cannabis should be legal (that’s irrelevant to the management of this site), but whether the promotion of cannabis use will be tolerated on here, and if so, what the ground rules are going to be.
So you want a safe space devoid of free speech?
..are in denial about its link to mental health issues and violence,..
CITATION..NEEDED….
I realize that other legal substances – I’m thinking here in particular of alcohol – are perhaps more harmful, both medically and socially, but that is not an argument for legalizing cannabis or condoning its use.
So, all the negative reasons you hold up against pot can not be held to the same scrutiny when alcohol is involved? Where is your logic?
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
But I am not comfortable with things at the moment.
Comfortable?
LOL that was not me you quoted!
Anonymous3If you’d actually read the post, which you manifestly haven’t, you’d understand that this is precisely my point.
And if you understood my point, you would see that your post is so generic as to be meaningless.
So once again, what has this to do with MGTOW? Why post it here?
My post was not generic. My post was about a specific subject, thus my post was the opposite of generic.
Is this the cannabis brain at work again?
I am not answerable or accountable to you.
Your original post was only designed to stir up dissent among members.
Again, typical pothead logic – thinks he can read my mind and, of course, knows everything because he smokes some sheeeeit.
Anonymous42all you potheads
You people! you people! you people! You shameful slithering creatures!
Jack, your entire original post has nothing to do with MGTOW. In fact, it is the opposite. You are seeking a safe space where you can feel
comfortable
This particular agenda has only one element: restrain the actions of the men here. You paint a pretty picture of ‘policing for the benefit of others’ but I doubt you will find many takers here.
As an interesting aside, replace pot with feminism and reread his original post. Very amusing.
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Anonymous3Here we have a fine example of the pothead brain at work…
…Cannabis users don’t actually believe in individual freedom in a constructive sense. What they believe in is the freedom to harm themselves and other people. That may be freedom, but it is not a freedom I would like many other people to have. It’s like giving a minority of people the freedom to murder without legal repercussions, while the rest of us are left defenceless.
You’re painting with a broad brush. Offensive is taken, never given. Getting butt hurt over an anti-pot ego investment in no way translates to murder. Hyperbole…
It’s not hyperbole. It’s an analogy.
The problem with cannabis is that it harms or adversely affects people around the user.
Where are you going that has out of control pot heads ruining the day? What makes you think they are high on pot and not something else? [/quote]
Because of course, pot has no effect on people – except when it’s what you would regard as a ‘good’ effect. Then it’s a ‘good’ drug, right?
I have experience with cannabis and I can tell when somebody is high.
Users simply can’t wrap their heads around the concept that others might have simple, everyday liberties that should take precedence over the liberty to f~~~ your brain up.
Citation needed…. You seem awfully uppity about YOUR rights, while not considering the ones of those around you. [/quote]
Why does this need a citation? It’s the assertion of an opinion.
And I’m not asserting rights, I’m asserting liberties – an important distinction.
And why is it considered “uppity” to believe I should be able to walk around unmolested and that this liberty is more important than the liberty to f~~~ your head up..??
I should have the right to walk around my town without being threatened, abused and assaulted by dope fiends.
Srsly, I highly doubt those people are high on pot. What you have is a bad case of social programing, let it go man. Pot is not the devil. [/quote]
“Let it go man” – LOL.
I have already posted links on another thread to academic and clinical discussion of the correlation between cannabis use and violence.
You are just another classic example of the pothead in denial.
In your mind’s eye, cannabis is all good. There is no downside to it.
You’re dishonest.
Just some of the many reasons why in most of the civilised world, cannabis remains officially an illegal drug for recreational purposes. I’m sure it’s true that there are other, more sinister, reasons for the legal status of cannabis, but that does not invalidate the more reasoned grounds – it’s a harmful drug.
“Harmful Drug” Citation needed…. You haven’t given any reasons, just half throughout ramblings on a topic you know nothing about. Ever tried pot? [/quote]
I have provided references elsewhere. It’s established – and is tacitly admitted by others in this very thread – that cannabis is harmful. Every time one of you idiots talks about how “cannabis is less harmful than alcohol”, etc., you are conceding there are problems with cannabis.
but I am aware that there are people on this site who are actively trying to promote cannabis and push it on to other users, and I am not comfortable with this.
Who is “pushing” use onto others? Or is it people are talking about and suggesting it as it a valid option? If you’re not comfortable with it then speak up, use facts, and let the person decide what is best of them.[/quote]
That’s exactly what I am doing in this thread, you f~~~ing idiot.
I think some signal is now needed from the owners of this site as to their position on the subject – not whether cannabis should be legal (that’s irrelevant to the management of this site), but whether the promotion of cannabis use will be tolerated on here, and if so, what the ground rules are going to be.
So you want a safe space devoid of free speech?[/quote]
No – please learn to read.
I said that I have no problem with discussing the topic and I accept there are good arguments for legalisation.
I also suggested that the discussion should be confined to a specific area of the forum because I am personally uncomfortable with people pushing cannabis here.
..are in denial about its link to mental health issues and violence,..
CITATION..NEEDED…. [/quote]
Citations have been provided on the other thread called ‘Systematic Red Pill’.
I am allowed to post on a forum without giving citations for every single assertion. This isn’t an academic symposium.
I realize that other legal substances – I’m thinking here in particular of alcohol – are perhaps more harmful, both medically and socially, but that is not an argument for legalizing cannabis or condoning its use.
So, all the negative reasons you hold up against pot can not be held to the same scrutiny when alcohol is involved? Where is your logic?
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I have dealt with this f~~~wittery now dozens of times, but you just won’t take it in.
Any arguments for or against alcohol are independent of the arguments for or against cannabis.
Telling us that alcohol is more harmful in some way is not a convincing argument for legalising something else harmful.
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