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Let’s put it this way. There is a big reason why certain jobs you can do in this world can make you a lot of money. Many people think that it is because not many people can do these jobs, but that is not the whole truth. I don’t even think that those higher paying jobs would be as enjoyable and have as much of a fulfillment as let’s say a cleaning job that some people like to do, because they just like the sanctification of cleaning in general. The truth is that a lot of these high paying jobs are either very stressful(like working as an executive chef) because of how many responsibilities you have or that the job can even be a mental grind(like accounting/bookkeeping) or it can even grind your body physically(like construction) which leads to the point that another reason people pay other people lots of money to do these jobs is because not many people wish to do it long term just because they would probably have miserable lives if they did it long term at least.
I actually did accounting courses in the past for instance and even though I grew to learn the basics of it very well which would set a great foundation for me to pursue more studies in it, in the end though, I wouldn’t want to do it 40 hours a week(i learned accounting with a paper and pen though compared to using computer programs like excel though like many modern bookkeepers use today) because it is such a mental grind. At this point, if I would want to do bookkeeping/accounting at all, I would rather just set up a part time bookkeeping firm and start doing bookkeeping for small businesses and I would do all the work myself in my own office in the place I live, where I can actually be my own boss in choosing when to actually do the work throughout the week while I have a secondary income of some sort to keep the bookkeeping firm business a float. Just because I would have my own bookkeeping firm, I can also make more money per hour and I wouldn’t have to work as many hours to make the same amount of money as bookkeepers who would actually work under a company, because I am the one trying to provide a service to the small businesses where these small businesses would outsource their bookkeeping to me. So in the end, I would probably work like 20 hours a week in working as a bookkeeper in a bookkeeping firm. The best part is about bookkeeping is that in Canada, bookkeepers actually have a very low unemployment rate(3%) which means that if you break in the field, you are going to have a very stable income for a service you provide that will always be needed and would not even change much to the point where you would have to learn completely new things like let’s say computer programming. I personally believe that there is a reason for the bookkeeping profession’s low unemployment rate despite how easy it is to get into the profession, because many people do not want to do this job at least 40 hours a week, because like I said before, it is a real mental grind.
I hope I gave some insight to some people here and that if you actually like the job that you are doing right now but wish your work would make you more money, that don’t think that the grass is greener in the other side of the fence. If you like your job, you actually have it better than people that make more money than you because at least you are doing a job that you do not mind doing that is actually going to fill up much of the week in your life and at least you are not going to have a very miserable life because of it. I would like to add that I am not saying that all people making a lot of money are miserable with their jobs, but that the reason why they are getting paid so much is not only because it is really hard in terms of difficulty. I hope I am a help for some of you guys who are trying to figure things out on what you want to do in your lives.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I had a moderate salary in a low stress job as a medical librarian. Because I was single, I was able to invest my extra money and it has paid off in retirement. So a low paying job does not necessarily mean you will not do well financially. Last weekend I talked to a person when had been a truck driver and low paid teacher Because he had diligently invested in stocks for decades with his extra cash, he is now what most people would consider to be wealthy. He was divorced decades ago, so I recommended MGTOW to him. When you are single you do not have a lot of expenses that married men have or those with higher paying jobs have.
usually, with high stress, comes high pay…
however, with high pay, comes ridiculously high income taxes.
MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
I guarantee if you take survey it’s the c~~~s who hate their job. Most people I hear that c~~~plain about there jobs are, women and f~~s.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
I prefer high pay even though it comes with high taxes. I’m trying to get a job as a network security engineer somewhere after I get my Cisco certs.
Even if you do end up having to pay a lot of taxes, you still come out with a lot of extra money in a high paying position.
I live a minimalist lifestyle anyway and I knew if I didn’t have student loans to pay off, I could easily live off of $1,500 dollars a month.
I prefer high pay even though it comes with high taxes. I’m trying to get a job as a network security engineer somewhere after I get my Cisco certs.
Even if you do end up having to pay a lot of taxes, you still come out with a lot of extra money in a high paying position.
I live a minimalist lifestyle anyway and I knew if I didn’t have student loans to pay off, I could easily live off of $1,500 dollars a month.
You know, I am happy for you. I wish you all the best.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I make a decent amount of money. I work at a job which also happens to be one of my hobbies. So right now I am enjoying myself. Life changes. So I know enough to sock it away in a diverse number of investments. No kids, no wife also helps. Early on I recognized that when women were in my life I was desperately poor and they enjoyed all my resources. When they were not around I had s~~~loads of money. Doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together. That and getting a red pill crammed down my throat in my early 20’s opened my eyes like a cattle prod suppository.
Always prepare. Enjoy the good times, while preparing for the future.It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
You spend a LOT of time working so if you hate it, you’re usually a miserable person.
Material possessions don’t make you happy. I’m saying this as a relatively wealthy guy. I could literally go buy anything I want right now. A brand new Cadillac Escalade (to replace mine from 2005), a $5,000 custom computer, triple 75″ displays, a new house, all new furniture, pretty much anything. But I’ve already had all that and what really brings me joy is not having to worry about s~~~. Having security in your life brings a peace beyond imagining. I own my house, car, and everything else I own outright. I have ZERO debt.
As for a job, I really like running my business. It doesn’t bring me “joy” per say, but I do enjoy it. Even if it only paid 1/2 of what it does today, I’d still do it. Thankfully my business is pretty successful and I don’t have to worry about making ends meet.
Money does not make you happy but it does give you the resources to go on the pursuit for it. 🙂
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
You all make great points. I guess for some people, they like to work hard and then play hard.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I prefer high pay even though it comes with high taxes. I’m trying to get a job as a network security engineer somewhere after I get my Cisco certs.
Even if you do end up having to pay a lot of taxes, you still come out with a lot of extra money in a high paying position.
I live a minimalist lifestyle anyway and I knew if I didn’t have student loans to pay off, I could easily live off of $1,500 dollars a month.
This is definitely the way to go. The way I look at it is I only need to get my nest egg so big and then I can say f~~~ it and retire regardless of my age. If I can get to that point in my late 30s vs my early 60s why would I not want to to everything I could to achieve that goal as fast as possible?
It works nicely with minimalism as well…1500 a month means you need 18k a year to live. If you had a bunch of money in stocks paying an average dividend of 4% you’d need 450k invested to live off. If you get a 100k a year job, stuff 18k in your 401k pretax, pay maybe 20k in taxes on the other 80k, live off 20k, and save the rest post tax you pretty much can stash away 60k a year. 60k a year with an average return of 8% and you are over your 450k mark in 6 years. 6 years worth of hard saving for a lifetime of financial freedom really isn’t a bad deal. Give it a couple extra years after hitting your minimum goal just to build a buffer so a bad year doesn’t wreck you and you are golden!
If you are the average guy that gets married, has kids, buys a house, and drives an expensive car, even making 100k a year(and without a divorce) the concept of saving 3/4 of your net income and investing enough to live off gains in less than 10 years is unheard of, but for a minimalist MGTOW the math and the possibilities really work out in our favor!
Money does not make you happy but it does give you the resources to go on the pursuit for it.
Money may not be able to buy everything, but it can buy me a boat:
And boats are awesome.
This is definitely the way to go. The way I look at it is I only need to get my nest egg so big and then I can say f~~~ it and retire regardless of my age. If I can get to that point in my late 30s vs my early 60s why would I not want to to everything I could to achieve that goal as fast as possible?
I’m in my twenties now and buy the time I’m in my late 30s, I could definitely retire if I wanted to which would be great.
And you explained my plan for retirement perfectly. Once I get a high paying position, I can just put 60k a year back in retirement savings. Married men could never think about doing that unless they’re just extremely wealthy.
You all make great points. I guess for some people, they like to work hard and then play hard.
For me its not about playing hard…its that my time is a finite resource and I’d like to maximize my play time. Working until I’m old enough to collect my full SS seems like a waste life. What good is retiring when I’m almost 70 going to do when at that point I may not even be physically able to enjoy simple activities like hiking or swimming(if I’m even still alive, there are no guarantees of living that long). If I can work hard and live cheap now, but in the end its going to give me many more years of not having to be tied down to a job and being able to just enjoy my freedom, why would I not work hard and live cheap?
When you ghost you have less stress and hear a great deal.
Definitely. I have a lot less stress in my life right now than at any point when I was involved with a woman, and its kind of reinforcing to just stay the path every time I listen to someone bitching about their significant other, their divorce, or just some random gossip about some f~~~ed up s~~~ someone in a relations~~~ did to the other half. You just hit a point where a lack of a relationship no longer feels like you are missing something in life, but rather you just feel like you’ve dodge many bullets and are out of the line of fire now, so why jump back in?
If I can work hard and live cheap now, but in the end its going to give me many more years of not having to be tied down to a job and being able to just enjoy my freedom, why would I not work hard and live cheap?
You are correct of course. Maybe you can get by like that because you actually don’t mind doing your job. But some people are so miserable with their jobs that they probably have to compensate by having a lot of fun outside work. That is probably the only reason why they would really work hard and play hard. They work to supplement their pastimes that might make them more happy as a whole after they do not even like the job that they do.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I’m in my twenties now and buy the time I’m in my late 30s, I could definitely retire if I wanted to which would be great.
And you explained my plan for retirement perfectly. Once I get a high paying position, I can just put 60k a year back in retirement savings. Married men could never think about doing that unless they’re just extremely wealthy.
The other huge benefit of this lifestyle…if you get laid off through no fault of your own, its not going to crush your life. I know guys pulling in six figures who are buried in mortgages, car loans, and other debts and for retirement are saving 5-10% in their 401k and nothing else. They can make their payments easy but if anything happens to their job they are royally f~~~ed…they’d lose everything and be left with minimal assets. On the other hand if you have a few hundred thousand in the stock market at a young age and low expenses and lose your job, a 12 dollar an hour job to cover basic living expenses + compounding interest on your assets and you’ll still be in good shape and on track to retire early even if you never manage to get another high paying job again. Yeah it’d slow you down quite a bit, but at least it wouldn’t be hard to keep forward progress going.
Making a lot of money does not equate to having a lot of money. I know people that made six figure salaries and at the end of the year they did not have enough money for gas.
It is all a hamster on a wheel/zero sum game. In some cases, one’s time is best spent reading an entertaining book.
You are correct of course. Maybe you can get by like that because you actually don’t mind doing your job. But some people are so miserable with their jobs that they probably have to compensate by having a lot of fun outside work. That is probably the only reason why they would really work hard and play hard. They work to supplement their pastimes that might make them more happy as a whole after they do not even like the job that they do.
I had a conversation with an old coworker one time about how much money it would cost to let someone f~~~ you in the ass. He said would you do it for a million dollars figuring that would be the starting point and then he’d run it up from there, and I looked at him with a straight face and said HELL YES! He thought I was nuts! I was making 40k a year at the time at a job I hated…there is no f~~~ing way a few minutes of butt sex no matter how unpleasant it was could possible have been worse than 25 more years at my current job. 10 minutes of butt sex or 52,000 hours at my job I hated was a no brainer to me. After I explained it to him that way he agreed with me lol.
Its kind of an extreme example, but that is pretty much how I look at it. I want to get to retirement quickly. I don’t hate my current job, but I don’t really love it either. If I had two job offers right now…one a job I liked less that paid more, and the other a job I liked more that paid less…I’d chase the pay, and I wouldn’t try to remedy hating my job by buying toys and going on more vacations, I’d just use it to motivate me to continue to save as much as possible to get out faster. I’ve worked low paying jobs I hated for years, so realistically a high paying job I hate is still a huge step up from what I’m used to lol.
Its important to keep in mind though…when I say this I’m looking at it from the perspective that right now maybe I can retire in 6 years…if I could do it in 4 instead I could suck it up at a job I liked less for 4 years…it wouldn’t be like I’m moving into a position I hate for the next 20+ years because I have a house, wife, kids, and car payments that are soaking up all my money. I doubt I could go that long in that situation without burning out, but short term is a different ball game.
“Oppressive taxation: Still cheaper than being married with children.”
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I’ve had six figure years. Paid a pile in tax, but I also invested a pile as well. That said, my job was terrible. I ditched it after I had my $$ where I felt comfortable.
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I don’t worry about the Jones with the bigger houses, better vehicles, etc. One stroll through their garage full of overflow blue pill garbage, and witnessing how their wives treat them give me all the affirmation I need that I’m in a good place being debt free, having a 1 BR apt, and lots of recreational land in the portfolio to play on.Consider the larger difference is that taxation only takes a portion of what you have today. Marriage and kids take a portion of what you’ll ever have the rest of your life. Taxes stop when you stop making money.
I’ve had six figure years. Paid a pile in tax, but I also invested a pile as well.
If you are making all capital gains you can make almost 40k without paying any capital gains taxes…plus the standard deduction and personal exemption and you can make about 50k a year tax free. If you made 50k payroll though, after federal/state income taxes, medicare, and social security you are probably paying an effective tax rate around 20%.
I’ll gladly get beat up in a high tax bracket for a few years if its going to get me to a point where I can make 40-50k a year in capital gains and not have to pay a dime…and if I ever go over 50k its only 15% up to 415k…and I doubt I’d ever make that in capital gains in a year lol. I just hope the rules don’t change in the next few years to make the capital gains brackets look more like the income tax brackets:(
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