Owning a gun

[StealthParticipant 5341]

Curious what you guys think of this:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-better-to-own-a-gun-for-self-defense-or-is-that-more-likely-to-cause-problems

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[GregB0Participant]

Stealth wrote:

Curious what you guys think of this:

A very good and accurate article that raises many key points. Learn to use it, learn to take care of it, and be prepared to use it.

Thanks for sharing

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[Anonymous 14]

Stealth wrote:

Curious what you guys think of this:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-better-to-own-a-gun-for-self-defense-or-is-that-more-likely-to-cause-problems

All bulls~~~. First picture is a depiction of a woman disarming a large, fit man who has a gun. Good f~~~ing luck cupcake.

Second picture is about how complicated guns are. The one under my pillow doesn’t even have a safety… This is because in a panic situation fumbling on a safety can cost you your life. You can find video evidence of this on Youtube in actual shootouts…Mine is however in a button snap holster so that the trigger is protected, no accidents are going to happen. Also, when you first grab a gun, you do NOT put your finger inside the ring guard/on the trigger unless you intend to fire it immediately. Guns are only complicated if you wear a skirt and the most complicated thing you have done is bake cookies. And mine gets locked up when I leave the house…As they all should. And taking it apart and cleaning it is far easier than any low level snap together plastic model I had when I was 10.

I know men and women who carry concealed legally. Guess what? I am happy to be around them knowing they have a gun, it is very comforting.

In the end, yes, not everyone, in fact, most people should not have a gun let alone carry one. Most people are dumb as f~~~. If you are not and you want a gun, get one. It is that simple. If you have reservations, lack confidence, or are scared, do not get one.

Oh, the biggest and best piece of advice: Never point a gun, even if you know it is unloaded, at anything that you wouldn’t mind too much getting shot if you accidentally discharged it. In combat situations always start with the gun pointed down a little bit out in front of your feet, not up like in the movies… This is because shooting the ground in front of you is no big deal, also because your arms do not block your vision in the down position, and raising it on a target then back down avoids other things that could accidentally be shot (people) vs. coming from a high position.

[Capslok SpelczechParticipant 108]

Stealth wrote:

Lot of good ideas here.

Like the voting analogy, I think people “should” own arms… but not everyone. So I’m sorting out whether I’m one of those people or not. I’m an office worker with no military background.

In terms of developing a combat mindset, I am physically strong but introspective.

Capslok, I’ve survived well so far with your second closing point. I am aware of problems before they flare up. I’d say this is 80% or more of the fight.

Going to the range today to browse and see what classes are available nearby, just out of curiosity.

Congratulations, and please CONTINUE being introspective and doing your homework about this issue. We NEED voices like that among firearm owners–folks who made their own decisions based on sound logic. As in any big group, you may find some wingnuts on the range, but most gun owners and self-defense practitioners are like you: thoughtful, and not quick to flip out and go cyclic over something stupid, like somebody taking their parking space.

Regardless of anyone’s personal political leanings, I thought this guy nailed the issue:

A Handy Guide For Liberals Who Are Suddenly Interested In Gun Ownership

"Higgins: Magnum, feed the lads, would you? There are steaks in the freezer. [Magnum makes an excited face] Very well, you can have one too."

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

I think the best strategy is to be the Grey Man, virtually invisible . Then do all you can to avoid violence. Cross the street, apologize if the situation allows for that and an easy exit. Life is not Hollywood, even in a fistfight you break knuckles and your opponent may get a lucky punch in while you are kicking his ass. No one wins in a shooting, even if you are trained and you kill your attacker quickly, you still have to deal with the law and the dead mans family. Every deceased was a good child and a future honor student that was turning their life around.

When all else fails, it’s better to be armed than not. If someone breaks into my house with a gun or knife, they are not selling Girl Scout Cookies.

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

Stealth wrote:

Lot of good ideas here….

Going to the range today to browse and see what classes are available nearby, just out of curiosity.

That is the best advice anyone here can give you!

For me Gun ownership isn’t about killing or shooting someone if I had to..
Owning, possessing or using a Gun is a

DETERRENT!.

If I don’t use it, it deterred them from doing something presently…
If I Do use it, it deterred them from ever doing it to anybody else! In the future…..

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[Fundamental_manParticipant 209]

Of course in Sweden and many other European countries, owning a gun is not possible unless some strict conditions apply. Being a marksman or hunter will allow you to get a license and the corresponding gun. This “of course” so that the average person can not own a gun, and there should be less guns available for criminals.
We have plenty of hunters and a decent number of “hobbyist gun owners”. Still, extremely few legal weapons are stolen and end up with the (immigrant) gangs or other thugs. They get their guns from other sources. Much easier to run truckloads of AK47s and other military weapons from eastern Europe than to go on a fruitless burgular spree in the country side

On a more philosophical note; it is also easy-ish -but messier- to kill a person with a knife, scissors, chain saw, car, power tools etc. Obviously, those are OK to own. For now, at least! Makes no sense.
If it became legal, I would buy a gun immediately.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Stealth wrote:

What are some good reasons for an everyday person to go out and purchase a gun? …And bad reasons? I know there are some gun afficionados here. Let’s have a canded discussion about everyday gun ownership.

It is pointless to try to convince someone who sees guns as alien. You know your situation better than anyone here. You tend to be the type to need a rapidly deteriorating situation to make a decision to override your social programming to not just get a gun but LEARN about guns. Just buying a gun doesn’t make you effective with it. You have to learn about it and practice with it like you learn about a car, or computers.

And FYI, cars are more dangerous. In 20 years of using a gun I have never come across myself or someone who has ever had an accidental discharge. I see car accidents at least once a every two months, have been in two accidents, and I have passed by some nasty accidents give or take once every ear.

REASONS FOR:
A given as I live in Texas. In Texas we can now finally carry swords too!!!
http://www.click2houston.com/news/texas-repeals-ban-on-illegal-knives-allows-carrying-of-swords

Godbless Texas

REASONS AGAINST:

Uh…. if you are a woman, liberal progressive, communist, or islamist?

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

^^^^^^^^^^^^ OR a criminal…..

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[OgreParticipant 5863]

In my analysis, the reward outweighs the risks.

I have spent thousands of hours on ranges and carried a variety of firearms for years though, so I don’t ever fault anybody for choosing differently from me.

I personally don’t carry outside my house as I feel that carrying involves more bother and risk than warranted by the likelihood of needing a firearm. It’s a periodic reevaluation that may change someday. EMP, Goverment breakdown with riots, nuclear winter, or zombie Apocalypse… I’ve got the option because I already have the bases covered.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[StealthParticipant 5341]

Update: after posting here, I decided to educate myself further about firearms, and now own three.

I do find that getting educated about guns dissolves most of the risks associated with them. It surprised me to learn that, with the ones I now own, accidental discharge isn’t really an option unless I really am trying hard to be stupid, or barring some freak mechanical failure… which also doesn’t really happen.

My first gun was a Walther PPk clone, so thank you Batman for the recommendation!

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[RealityBitesParticipant 2198]

I enjoy firearms. Most of mine are for self defense purposes, and occasionally for hunting.

[TrapperParticipant 2912]

A little off topic but…

When I lived in a big city in the late 90’s I was at a Saturday market with some friends. A smaller young black kid came up and asked us for a lighter. He had baggy pants and a big baggy coat. It was WARM at the time.

I handed him the lighter and asked why he was dressed like that. He looked at me with the saddest damn eyes and I’ll never forget what he said.

He explained he lives in the ghetto, everyone is bigger than him. Crime is commonplace. He said the only way people will leave you alone is if they THINK you may be packing a gun. He said he hates baggy clothes. Hates wearing a jacket everywhere. Hates looking like a thug. But, it’s his only defense.

While he was having his cigarette he said he’d give anything to just have a quiet safe place to read a book and be left alone.

Since then I’ve hesitated to judge someone on looks. It may just be camouflage.

I personally own a few guns. To me it’s a way to protect my self and sovereignty. I also hope I never need them. I keep them clean and oiled. I also have a safe place for them if kids or guests are around.

My father told me when I was a kid that all of his guns are always loaded. He kept them in a very safe location where I couldn’t get to them if I tried. However, he drilled into me THEYRE ALWAYS LOADED!!!

Looking back I know they weren’t, but I sure kept my distance willingly as a kid when I thought they were!

[AuctoratusParticipant 52]

Sorry for jumping in at a late stage, I have been off-line for a long time…

The reason for owning/carrying weapons (or firearms) is to me is based on a fundamental idea of freedom. Throughout history men have fought to preserve their freedom & wealth from tyranny and criminals. Nothing have changed in regards to this.
There is an old saying that goes: The difference between Free Men and Slaves is that Slaves do not carry weapons. I abide by this idea.
I have always carried a gun for a living, and the day I stop doing it for a living, I will still continue to be armed. Regardless of environment or country.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

guns can be an expensive hobby, a really expensive one if you let it. generally the more calibers you own, and the bigger calibers, the more expensive. Then you branch out to reloading and other things, which also cost money.

generally good for self protection and hobby.

Also can be seen as exercising your right (if an american citizen) that is constantly under pressure from liberals so by people exercising their rights, it is basically taking a stand against those who want to take it away from you.

It can also be seen of as an investment. Granted it won’t make you crazy money, but if you buy smart, chances are you will not lose money on your purchase. Even ammo prices can appreciate, depending.

My main interest is in C&R, curio and relics, historical guns over 50 years old. as little as maybe 5 years ago, guns that people were buying for $100, are now selling for $400-500 or higher. If you buy smart at gun shows or online stores, you can buy guns to enjoy for years, then eventually sell and either break even or gain money. Right now, the CMP sells service grade M1 garands for $730. I can almost guarantee you that if you buy one and keep it in good condition, you will never see a loss on the purchase. In fact, many garands in good condition sell for over $1000 in the open market today.

Even if you buy newer model guns with high production numbers, say a glock generation 5 for $450. If you keep the gun for the next 10 years, keep it in decent shape, whatever, it’ll probably depreciate $200 maybe. I think that’s a pretty good way to spend your money if that’s all you lose in the end, assuming you decide to sell it. But if you keep it in good condition, that is a moot point, as the firearm will outlive you. I have some guns that are over 100 years old (easily), and they still function fine. I can think of tons of hobbies and consumables where you’ll lose 90% or 100% of your money in that time frame.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[~BSParticipant 3266]

Keymaster wrote:

I admit I am totally on the fence about this. Really torn down the middle, and it’s a debate I haven’t yet decided either way.

It is not for everyone. If you or anyone else chooses not to, there’s no problem with that. But that’s the great thing about living in a country where we do have that choice. If you choose not to, I’m not going to strong arm you to convince that you should.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[~BSParticipant 3266]

Daryll55 wrote:

I live in the US,so I don’t know about other countries/cultures. As already said by others, there are even varied opinions in the US on guns and gun ownership.
The 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution Gives Individuals The right to keep and bear arms,but this gets regulated by each individual state.
I personally have a concealed carry permit from the state of Pennsylvania. I live in the state of New York. In NY, a private citizen cannot carry concealed, even with a permit from another state. You are allowed to “transport” firearms, but that as well is conditional. Needless to say, I comply with NY law.

Gun ownership is a very personal issue. For the reasons above, I question those who decry current gun ownership/laws. When someone is going to commit a criminal act, the last thing on their mind would be adhering to gun laws!

This is the reason why the reciprocity bill is moving through congress right now.

In my opinion, the federal 2nd amendment trumps any rules or regulations the states may impose. And concealed carry is part of this definition, therefore the states should not be able to impose additional regulations on top of what the federal government interprets the 2nd amendment to be. If federal law doesn’t prohibit open or conceal carry by law abiding citizens (and there are 8 states with open carry), then all 50 states should be able to open or conceal carry) Liberals throw all these nonsensical and fallacy type arguments at the issue trying to complicate it, but it really is that simple.

Things like state enacted ccw rules, mag cap limits, overly burdensome regulations, “approved gun lists”, etc are infringing on the right of people to “keep and bear arms”.

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

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