Owning a gun

[Anonymous 1]

Because it is not wise to allow governments to have the monopoly on force.

[Daryll55Participant 2950]

I live in the US,so I don’t know about other countries/cultures. As already said by others, there are even varied opinions in the US on guns and gun ownership.
The 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution Gives Individuals The right to keep and bear arms,but this gets regulated by each individual state.
I personally have a concealed carry permit from the state of Pennsylvania. I live in the state of New York. In NY, a private citizen cannot carry concealed, even with a permit from another state. You are allowed to “transport” firearms, but that as well is conditional. Needless to say, I comply with NY law.

Gun ownership is a very personal issue. For the reasons above, I question those who decry current gun ownership/laws. When someone is going to commit a criminal act, the last thing on their mind would be adhering to gun laws!

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[LurchParticipant 3866]

I didn’t buy my firearms because of me… I bought them because of all the other idiots in the country that already have them.

Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

[LurchParticipant 3866]

Daryll55 wrote:

When someone is going to commit a criminal act, the last thing on their mind would be adhering to gun laws!

… and with this, tightening of gun laws, and Soros’s useful idiots that scream gun control propaganda into their megaphones, become totally useless!

Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Lurch wrote:

Daryll55 wrote:

When someone is going to commit a criminal act, the last thing on their mind would be adhering to gun laws!

… and with this, tightening of gun laws, and Soros’s useful idiots that scream gun control propaganda into their megaphones, become totally useless!

Even if that person cannot get a gun, he can make petrol bomb, poison dart, or the car he drive is enough to kill people.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

REASON FOR: Because I can.

Stealth wrote:

I don’t necessarily trust myself with a gun. I am not used to being around them.

This is easily remedied and admitting you don’t enough means you will be smart and seek a professional to help you get the knowledge you need.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Would rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it

Nuff said.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

MarketWatcher wrote:

Venom wrote:
Would rather have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it
Nuff said.

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[narwhalParticipant]

I have a few of my Dad’s old rifles, but that really doesn’t count. I basically don’t have one, but have been considering. I have never needed one in my 44 years, and don’t really see myself enjoying shooting that much. However, I still see reasons to get one.

Primarily, I believe the reason I have never needed one as a deterrent to crimes against me because other’s have provided that deterrent. That is the Police, but also because I live in Texas where gun ownership is high. You can pretty much assume there is a gun in every house. A part of me feels like I should get a gun just to be a part of that general deterrent. Do my part, so to speak.

Second, it’s quite possible there will be a time in the future where I don’t have the option to get a gun.

Third, although it shouldn’t be the main reason, I can’t see how gun ownership wouldn’t be a confidence boost. It’s good to know that you can defend yourself if it came to that point, rather then relying on someone else for your safety.

Fourth, it’s a ‘bucket list’ type of thing. Even if it’s not your thing per se, it’s an experience that can help broaden your life and give you a better understanding of things. I think it’s fair to say that the majority of people who don’t understand why people want to own guns have never had one themselves.

Ok. Then do it.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

FrostByte wrote:

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

Agreed. I have never had to use it, but I have been glad to have it ready many times. It is a lot of responsibility and I don’t think Stealth needs one at this point. Might be more trouble than it is worth.

[Capslok SpelczechParticipant 108]

Stealth wrote:

REASONS FOR:
I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do live in a low-income urban neighborhood and could imagine crime rising once entitlements get cut.

REASONS AGAINST:
I don’t necessarily trust myself with a gun. I am not used to being around them.

My first thought is, don’t buy a gun…yet. You still have a long way to go in developing a combat mindset before actually arming youself. A hat and a lasso don’t make you a cowboy.

A firearm is a tool. By itself, it poses no more danger than say, a waffle iron or a grandfather clock. Until the firearm is acted upon by human agency, I guess it could be considered, as you say, just another expensive hobby.

In the hands of an unprepared person, a gun can be a hazard that only makes a bad situation worse. I guess it is kind of like voting, in that regard.

But in the hands of a practiced, disciplined, and mentally-prepared person, who can consistently discern imminent threats to life and property from petty thuggish arguments, a gun can and will defeat a violent aggressor, who is often poorly-trained, cowardly, high or drunk, and is looking for the softest target he can find.

The aggressor also, btw, usually doesn’t stop in the middle of the attack to have complex philosophical internal ruminations about the morality of taking human life. He already crossed that mental threshold when he decided to go full retard on you.

The point upon which everything pivots is your combat mindset. If you are not already mentally prepared to go loud, go aggressive, and go nasty BEFORE you shoulder that weapon, YOU WILL LOSE in a gunfight.

I won’t advocate one way or another, because who and what you’re ultimately protecting by arming yourself is just that–yours. You alone will have to decide if it is worth defending your life, your loved ones, and property against the threats that you appear to be (correctly, btw) identifying. If you don’t have the skill and will to use it, or the seriousness to develop same, then a weapon by itself is probably a bad idea at this point in time.

I could give you platitudes all day long about freedom and the 4th of July and the 2A, but what matters is YOU. If potentially ending another human life in any circumstance is a mental impossibility for you, then the biggest, sexiest, tacticool weapon is a waste of your money and time. If your life and those of the ones you care for is priceless, then get yourself adequately prepared to defend them.
You don’t NEED permission.

Living things are born with an implicit right to defend themselves. That isn’t a “privilege” granted to you by a legal document or to be doled out by some pharoah or Janeane Garafolo. No one will give you permission to decide, prepare and act upon your instincts, no matter how long you wait. You already have this right, simply by virtue of being alive.

Many lucid, clear thinking people are not at ease with the idea of delegating the responsibility to defend themselves entirely over to the government or the police, mainly because they have seen how well that works with the economy, the health care system, the DMV, the post office, and others too numerous to mention. It doesn’t make them reactionary, it makes them prudent.

Two closing thoughts:

1. In a life-treatening situation, the humblest, least expensive gun and just a tiny bit of training usually beats the even most expensive, sexiest, dream gun that you still DON’T have, because you were endlessly debating the merits of ownership or waiting for the ideal time to start preparing.

2. Once you’re armed and proficient, use your superior judgment and awareness to avoid putting yourself in situations where you will have no alternative but to use your superior training and skills.

"Higgins: Magnum, feed the lads, would you? There are steaks in the freezer. [Magnum makes an excited face] Very well, you can have one too."

[Anonymous 14]

I sleep with a NATO spec no safety with round in the chamber CZ75-P01 under my pillow. Do I trust myself with it? Yes. In fact I sleep like a baby knowing it is there.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Capslok Spelczech wrote:

My first thought is, don’t buy a gun…yet. You still have a long way to go in developing a combat mindset before actually arming youself. A hat and a lasso don’t make you a cowboy

Very well said. Supports my last comment.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Capslok Spelczech wrote:

YOU WILL LOSE in a gunfight.

No one wins in a gunfight.

[GregB0Participant]

Stealth wrote:

What are some good reasons for an everyday person to go out and purchase a gun? …And bad reasons?

Personal defense should never be limited to one weapon or one approach. The ultimate desire should be to get yourself out of the situation as soon as possible with as little damage as possible. This can be achieved by leaving the area, using some form of hand-to-hand combat, using a blunt object, using a sharp weapon, or using a firearm.

If you decide to purchase a firearm, you must be prepared to spend the time and money necessary to obtain the skill to effectively use your purchase. Failure to do so will only place you in a dangerous situation. Using a weapon efficiently and effectively is a skill set that you can only acquire with time and effort. This is not a video game environment where you can use a cheat code to obtain the ability to be safe, as well as effective, when using a weapon. Knife, tomahawk, club, pistol or spear, weapons require skill, knowledge and ability to utilize in your personal defense.

Always remember that once you escalate your form of weaponry, your opponent then must match this escalation or be at a disadvantage for the remainder of the engagement. You must be prepared to deploy this new level of force as you will be unable to retract this tactical move.

Home defense is much different from a non-home personal defense situation. The decision between a long gun and a short gun is totally dependent upon which situation you are trying to resolve. Also having multiple options besides lethal force is highly recommended regardless of the environment or situation. At home a large caliber, fast moving round will penetrate walls, multiple walls; big, slow moving rounds do not penetrate multiple walls. Knowing your tactical environment is the key to knowing what resource to carry with you.

The specific type of weapon opens much the same argument as the type of car you drive, your choice of clothing or your choice regarding food. There are good points and bad points for each type.
Reading on line comparisons, visiting gun shops or sporting goods locations are also good venues to obtain access to multiple types of weapons. Do not impulse buy a weapon just to have one.

I also have subscribed to the mantra “Have and not need, rather than need and not have” for many years, however you can get burnt in several ways if you do not do your due diligence to research you need, desire and anticipated outcome.

If you do not learn how to use your weapon effectively, you will only be purchasing something for someone else to use after they take it away from you.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[Anonymous 1]

GregB0 wrote:

Do not impulse buy a weapon just to have one.

Why stop at only one?

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Anonymous wrote:

hmmm
maybe rush isn’t the idea I want to convey. I used to shoot once a week, it was something to look forward to, like anticipation, not some blood thirsty urge to go perforate some living tissue. And the power thing, I was thinking about that too. It is harder to pull the trigger on a staple gun than it is to pull the trigger on my firearm, and there is a sense that this is a destructive device in my hand, pay attention to what I am doing. It is kinda cool to see a soda bottle explode, shredded and fizzing everywhere from 50 feet away.

I certainly can relate to that. I hope I didn’t imply negativity about the fun aspects of guns… because they certainly are fun. 🙂

But then you have these clowns:

And at the end of the video they’re talking about an entirely different kind of “rush” which I can’t relate to.

Not at all implying that you or anyone else here is like that, but it definitely serves to illustrate how vastly different our culture sees guns, depending on where you’re from and where you live.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[GregB0Participant]

Anonymous wrote:

Why stop at only one?

I was referring to have a firearm to use, not stopping at one type. I personally would recommend two short guns and one shotgun for home defense at a minimum. Away from home, at least two short guns, one tactical knife and a reasonable amount of ammunition.

Prior to purchasing all this however, you have to be comfortable with your primary weapon, regardless of type or style. You acquire skill and confidence through developing muscle memory and it it much harder to do so while switching weapon platforms.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[StealthParticipant 5341]

Lot of good ideas here.

I am a big believer in the second amendment and fully support all the theories about rights and government. Like the voting analogy, I think people “should” own arms… but not everyone. So I’m sorting out whether I’m one of those people or not. I’m an office worker with no military background. There are a lot of things I can do but doesn’t mean I should.

I am not afraid of guns but I sense there are unforeseen risks with them. I remember having similar thoughts when learning how to use a table saw, but now that I understand how one functions and how to safely use one It is no big deal.

May 7 made an interesting point about suicide ideation, which is a regular part of my experience as well. Between this and a violent ex-wife and a nasty divorce, it is better that I did not own a gun in the last few years.

I used to be a knife collector. There were all these fantasy scenarios amongst knife guys and the exact same “power to the people” mentality, which were ultimately used for selling knives.

In terms of developing a combat mindset, I am physically strong but introspective. More like a gentle giant. I can out squat all of you guys, but never learned how to properly throw a punch. In fact because of my strength most people have stayed away from messing with me, and the few playful fights Ive been in I did not take seriously and didn’t really engage until I was pretty far in. I am self-confident but have been told that I don’t stand up for my rights enough.

The most compelling argument is the bucket list idea. I dont know a lot about guns, but if I did then it would remove the mystery and is one more thing in life to know about. I’d still be wary of “a little bit of knowkedge” ie illusions that after a intro course i’d know what i was doing.

I am on a minimalist kick these days, a quest to own less & be happier. Buying a gun sounds like one more thing to maintain, but I could also see ownership of firearms as having its place in a basic minimal survival kit.

Divorce left me with no illusions about having public rights to my property or my life. So there is some mental rehab left as I reclaim the right to my own life and decisions. As MGTOWs, maybe some of you understand this fight. I dont think gun ownership should be an immediate part if that recovery for me, but it might be decent icing on the cake.

Capslok, I’ve survived well so far with your second closing point. I am aware of problems before they flare up. I’d say this is 80% or more of the fight.

Going to the range today to browse and see what classes are available nearby, just out of curiosity.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[GregB0Participant]

MarketWatcher wrote:

No one wins in a gunfight.

True but if you survive any fight that is a victory in and of itself.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

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