Outsiders Don't (Can't?) Understand MGTOW

[BushidoParticipant 637]

Brothers,

I ended up shooting the s~~~ the other day with some of my other brothers in uniform talking about MGTOW philosophy – without explicitly stating it. I’m subtle, after all. Needless to say I need to brush up a bit on how to bring it up as my reasoning was a little poor, shame on me.

Anyway, it came up again a few days later and the former listeners remarked (jokingly) that I was a woman-hater. I immediately snapped up and stated: “No. I do not hate women. I simply understand them.”

That evening, I thought about it. Why is our philosophy considered hateful, if not at least spiteful? My father had me out of wedlock and long story short after becoming the beautiful bastard I am today (quite literally) I wanted to pursue a blue pill life in order to prevent the splitting of the family that I had seen with my mother and father. Even after I watched him get sorely and painfully manipulated after he tried again I still faintly wondered why he had such a hard time with women. I even wondered if he hated women – after all, it’s natural for a Man to desire a woman and society dictates that we answer nature’s call. One would HAVE to be abnormal to ignore it, no?

It wasn’t until I hit my own Red Pill experience that I discovered the epiphany:

“Holy s~~~. It’s not hate. It’s understanding!”

The point I’m getting at here is that there seems to be a solid line between those of MGTOW philosophy and those who don’t understand it. “Gray” areas don’t technically exist between the two, at least not from my own personal experience. Even being a former blue pill myself, I could look back and see myself failing to understand MGTOW – and then look forward and see myself here.

Why is MGTOW so difficult to grasp for those who haven’t experienced the Red Pill?

Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.

[Anonymous 5]

Brother honor is dead. Some like myself find it extremely hard to find. That’s why am here. Just look at Japan. Man there elders am suprised surpassed such a mess. What a nation..

[joetechParticipant]

The blue pill logic is simple. Love and serve women for the betterment of society. Red pill logic? It’s a trap/AWALT. You’re a disposable male, and societies rules prove it time and again. The blue piller never believes that it will happen to him, and each time he starts a new relationship the logic is, “This time it will be different.” Men in this stage of thinking believe that if you’re not for them you’re against them. Hence, all red pill men hate women. The fact is that understanding women gives us the ability to avoid the traps that society expects us to fall into. Hate never enters into the equation. Blue pill men can’t see that because they are blind to the facts surrounding them, until those facts shatter their lives and dreams. For them, the epiphany comes too late. A man can’t be convinced of anything until the facts in his own life make it undeniable.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Anonymous 11]

Even the simplest of red pill concepts such as not White Knighting are beyond the scope of blue pill comprehension. MGTOWs are forged from fire.

[BushidoParticipant 637]

joetech wrote:

“This time it will be different.”

Too true brother, too sadly true. As Men, we enjoy problem-solving – unfortunately, we learn the tragic truth that some things cannot be fixed regardless of whomever holds the tools, no matter how hard we try. While we’re young

joetech wrote:

A man can’t be convinced of anything until the facts in his own life make it undeniable.

I wish I could tell my younger self that you don’t need to experience something firsthand to learn from it; my younger self was a happy little ignorant bastard who was too damn happy-go-lucky for his own good. Poor guy.

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOWs are forged from fire.

We are the Men who couldn’t be killed. We are the Men who couldn’t be forced into submission. We are the Men who bow to no one. We are the Men who go the Way that we proudly call our Own.

I’m not ashamed to say a quote of that power is worth a chubby.

Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.

[Anonymous 42]

Bushido wrote:

Why is MGTOW so difficult to grasp for those who haven’t experienced the Red Pill?

it’s all about the trials by fire, they’re comfortable and don’t look at another man’s burns, they know not the smell of burning flesh, nor the agony of it’s pain, they don’t pause to ponder and think, they just keep doing as repetition has programmed them to do, it’s like they’re blind and have no desire to see.

They can STAY OUTSIDE! This place isn’t here for us to debate the pros and cons of anything! We don’t sacrifice our sovereignty or negotiate with gynocentric terrorists!

Oil and water will never understand one another and I’m comfortable with that…

[Anonymous 11]

Bushido wrote:

I’m not ashamed to say a quote of that power is worth a chubby.

I am pleased to have inspired you to say that.

[Anonymous 14]

Indoctrination in many forms are hard for those who are not introspective to break away from. Most people just do not spend a lot of time thinking about things they have not been conditioned to think about. Blue Pill s~~~ is all around them from cradle to grave.

[Anonymous 43]

you can love women, or you can understand them, but you can’t do both.

once you understand, loving them is damn near impossible.

[UntamedParticipant]

They don’t understand MGTOW because they can’t. Only Men who have lived and experienced Misandry while recognizing it as such through a series of Red-Pill moments can fully grasp its concepts.
Only a slave can understand what slavery is like.
Some Bluepillers may partially understand the reasons of our going our own way but they won’t grasp the causes because they have a part to play in them, in the shaming and discarding of Masculinity, in the minimizing or denying the War On Men & Boys and in favoring weemins’ rights to the detriment of Men’s rights – if there is such a thing.
So no, outsiders have practically no f~~~ing clue what MGTOW really is.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[BraceParticipant 467]

I am going through the same thing with a relative and a friend of mine. they know I’m mgtow but can’t seem to grasp the concept.

mgtow philosophy is so different than indoctrination and conditioning our society/women/ mothers do to us since youth. so a blue pill man will most likely lose everything before considering going mgtow

” a wise man learns from other mistakes”

and most men aren’t wise so when his life comes crashing down. usually by the time he is married anyway.

[Anonymous 54]

I will never understand their reaction to us. Yes people can explain to to me, but it will allways mystify me.

Women haters
Cant get laid
Someon must have really hurt you.
Your just bitter
You must be gay.
WTF.

How about, I just want to be happy, and enjoy my life.

Women intentionaly sabotage those things.

I aint haven it no more!!!

[MenckenParticipant 693]

Hate requires caring. We don’t hate women. We just dont care anymore.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Anonymous 1]

I understand your spot brother, I’ve been there. But not with MGTOW philosophy, with the NoFap challenge tho. When I confronted friends with the use of porn and masturbation they looked at me like I was some kind of alien, guess the point we got to with our hyper sexualized society.

Something like 100 years ago, men that jerked off were considered “wankers” it was actually a bad thing to be one of them, fast forward to today with the spread of internet porn, if you are not wanking to it then you have some problems.

I am quite bored by porn and the decision to leave it behind was for myself only, and I do not want to force this on others, but speaking about it seems quite normal to me, why is porn and masturbation a taboo?

Same goes for the true nature of women, for how relationships work, and for the reality of laws, the reality of girls that used the c~~~ carousel for years and then act like nothing happened, they want to be respected and talked to like they were VIRGINS!

I did that mistake with NoFap with some of my friends, and then I understood that most of the people are puggled to this f~~~ing system and will never consider that what they believe is not the truth, just something that let them be comfortable with what they have/want.

Never spoke of MGTOW with anyone in person, and never will unless I know that the man I am talking to is a brother and shares the truths that are running over the net, free for anyone to read.

Do not tell them what you know, do not tell them how things work.

[RennieParticipant]

As I always say.

You can’t understand MGTOW, or be told what it is, unless you’ve seen it for yourself.

To actually be MGTOW. You have to possess certain qualities that aren’t found in most men.

Anonymous wrote:

I am quite bored by porn and the decision to leave it behind was for myself only, and I do not want to force this on others,

Same for me. Lost interest in porn years ago. Just occurred to me how much of a waste of time and disk space it was.

[BraceParticipant 467]

Rennie wrote:

As I always say.

You can’t understand MGTOW, or be told what it is, unless you’ve seen it for yourself.

To actually be MGTOW. You have to possess certain qualities that aren’t found in most men.

Math wrote:

I am quite bored by porn and the decision to leave it behind was for myself only, and I do not want to force this on others,

Same for me. Lost interest in porn years ago. Just occurred to me how much of a waste of time and disk space it was.

I’m a nofapper as well. went 200 days without pmo and now I’m on day 70 this time I’m looking to stop for good. my life is much better without. pmo drains the vitality out of me. I’m never going back

[Anonymous 1]

Brace wrote:

Vostok wrote:

As I always say.

You can’t understand MGTOW, or be told what it is, unless you’ve seen it for yourself.

To actually be MGTOW. You have to possess certain qualities that aren’t found in most men.

Math wrote:

I am quite bored by porn and the decision to leave it behind was for myself only, and I do not want to force this on others,

Same for me. Lost interest in porn years ago. Just occurred to me how much of a waste of time and disk space it was.

I’m a nofapper as well. went 200 days without pmo and now I’m on day 70 this time I’m looking to stop for good. my life is much better without. pmo drains the vitality out of me. I’m never going back

And you are not a bluepill doing it for women or validation from a c~~~, that is the main point of nofap IMO.

Most of the young nofappers will get f~~~ed after they live their bluepill dream for the first time, I wish many would wake up to theredpill and decide to better their lives just for themselves.

NoFap + MGTOW is one of the hardest paths to take, but I know that the rewards are bigger than most people think.

[BraceParticipant 467]

Anonymous wrote:

Brace wrote:

Vostok wrote:

As I always say.

You can’t understand MGTOW, or be told what it is, unless you’ve seen it for yourself.

To actually be MGTOW. You have to possess certain qualities that aren’t found in most men.

Math wrote:

I am quite bored by porn and the decision to leave it behind was for myself only, and I do not want to force this on others,

Same for me. Lost interest in porn years ago. Just occurred to me how much of a waste of time and disk space it was.

I’m a nofapper as well. went 200 days without pmo and now I’m on day 70 this time I’m looking to stop for good. my life is much better without. pmo drains the vitality out of me. I’m never going back

And you are not a bluepill doing it for women or validation from a c~~~, that is the main point of nofap IMO.

Most of the young nofappers will get f~~~ed after they live their bluepill dream for the first time, I wish many would wake up to theredpill and decide to better their lives just for themselves.

NoFap + MGTOW is one of the hardest paths to take, but I know that the rewards are bigger than most people think.

it is hard and rewarding. I made a topic about this couple of months ago /forums/topic/am-i-the-only-mghow-and-nofapper-who-exists/

I never do, change or go out of my way to please a women desire, either nofap or anything else, and the irony is that once I started doing that they started chasing me, the less u care the more they want u, like a wild exotic beast. they want to tame us and domesticate us, but they can’t so they chase us. it’s pathetic. porn and fapping was the last thing women had on me, now they have zero power. and it’s funny cuz in my opinion women suck our energy and life, either in person or porn they leech, they never give. for me unplugging from that makes me feel confident and my self value is Gold. porn ruins one self asteem just like having a gf. it’s just depressing. I’m never going back to pmo again never and it’s all for my future self. I can see him knodding with approval.

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

If you really want to impress a man about MGTOW you tell him what a woman will do next. If he has a girlfriend for example you ask him ” Has she stopped cleaning the house yet?”. Or “Does she want you to do the dishes now?”. Or “Has she cut you off from sex?” There is a lot of info in these forums to help you bring a man to MGTOW awareness. If he does have a GF get help to him immediately and save him.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

For me, i rarely if ever talk about my MGTOW beliefs in person. The initial reaction is to think i’m a women hater, someone who was hurt by a chick so i must just be bitter over it. Then when they slowly realize that i really have no interest in women whatsoever, then they suspect i’m gay.

They never say it to me, but i hear the little whispers when i walk by them at work … “he’s kinda hot” … “yea he’s not into girls though hehehe”

I don’t even try to dispute it anymore, i make no attempts to give them the impression that i’m straight, because f~~~ them, they don’t know me, and they never will, what they believe about me is irrelevant.

It even has its upsides, as long as i don’t approach the girls, they don’t approach me because they figure i’m not after them anyways so why bother, and on top of that the blue pill idiots are terrified of identifying with a guy they’ve been told is gay, so they mostly stay away as well.

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