Once you’re married… It’s just a game

[learningParticipant 115]

It’s true. Actually, if any of you don’t have kids, then its not a game.You should just leave. Get a divorce, and leave. F~~~ the money,Believe me, it’s not worth it,

If you are like me and toughing it out because you want to see you kids every morning, then I would like to give you some advice (maybe the smarter guys already know this, but there are enough stupid ones like me).

1. Girls are stupid. You are much smarter but ONLY if you are aware of what is being done to you. You take some of the s~~~ (because of the kids) but otherwise, you can get most of it done just by being smart – by understanding that girls are stupid, lazy and completely selfish.
2. Because they are so stupid, you can actually get a lot of things done – just by appealing to their selfish nature, Use it, Trick them….once you are aware, it’s like feeding a dog … it’s dead easy… just try it once and you will see what I mean..
3. Plan for YOUR future. Once you kids go to college, they will love and respect you if you were a good dad, You can go F~~~ING crazy and blow up when that happens, because remember,,, we are ONLY doing it for the kids,,,, it’s not like I want to hang out with my wife by choice., If I had a choice, I would smoke up and play XBOX all day long! And that (or whatever else you really like) is what we should do when we are older.
4. Planning your future, involves putting money aside, and as all intelligent beings in the current state of the world understand (i.e. men), you are going to need money if you wanna have fun. So start saving, and save it discretely.
5. Realise, that spending the rest of our life with this woman is NOT going to happen, so plan accordingly… Be brave, Don’t be scared of loneliness (it is just a concept anyway) There is so much out there you have no idea.

You, like me, have been hidden in this shell, and we don’t realise that we are in this shell. All the beta males, with some understanding of MGTOW will get this, we need to break out of it, because we are just being withheld. Society makes it hard, but don’t f~~~ your life. Plan for the future.

So, until the time you have to stay married (because of the kids)… just play the game. Once you learn how easy it is to fool them , you can actually get everything done. Life, until then, will become easier to bear….

[Anonymous 42]

I’m glad I’m not juggling the hot potato that eventually EXPLODES! F~~~ that! F~~~ marriage! To hell with female intimacy! They’re like a big piece of cheese in a mouse trap! And we’re the mice!
The Men that opted out completely are like the smart mice, we saw all our buddies in the trap of marriage with their backs broken, and their eyes popping out!

Go ahead, get married, run and jump head first into a wood chipper, it’ll be fun!

[Anonymous 18]

learning wrote:

You, like me, have been hidden in this shell, and we don’t realise that we are in this shell.

Very well said. I have totally been feeling like a different person since going MGTOW. Not just in women matters but everything about me is sufficient. Any searching happens within my head not outwards seeking validation.

learning wrote:

Don’t be scared of loneliness (it is just a concept anyway) There is so much out there you have no idea.

I agree. It’s – chemical reaction. Same feelings, emotions are there when you are in a boring party FULL of people, at family parties with people you have nothing in common. It is far worse to choose a woman to be not lonely. At least with lonely it’s a cue to go out, pick something new, do something to un-lonely oneself. With women a man is lucky enough to have the time and value to be lonely. He’s spent helping entertain her treating her loneliness.

Loneliness has helped me find a lot about myself. Why everyone seems to be so scared or shame others for it, I don’t understand. May be I am a loner type – again whatever that means. I have enough hobbies and interests to not need more than a few people in my life.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Only a fool get married marriages give women to much power

[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

I have to disagree somewhat. I get your point but what about the guy that is trapped in a marriage and is holding out until the kids are grown and the day he knows he’s going his own way. The eighteen years goes really quickly. It’s like a flash. I have only one warning about this strategy. If you are married and your spouse is not working or making a decent salary, you could possibly be on the hook for alimony until either you or she passes away.

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

First off, I commend good fathers out there

Now, We fully dont understand every man’s situation out there and as a MGTOW, we should not just close our doors on them. There could be a number of reasons on why one gets married but once they do realize that going their own way is the most logical solution then let them be.

As long as they dont try and pull some blue pill topics and/or sabotage the forums by intoxicating it then I welcome everyone.

Don't let defeat, defeat you; Let defeat be your greatest teacher.

[learningParticipant 115]

Dear Lodoss, I am sure it is irritating and I’m sorry that it irritates you. That was certainly not my intention.

But I started the topic in the ‘Marriage & Divorce’ section which describes itself as ‘Comments from Married (and divorced) men! I’m guessing this section was created with some thought in mind…..

Those of you on here who had the wisdom to never marry were better and smarter than me. And I’m thankful to this site and other people on here who have opened my eyes over the past year or so – it has truly been a life changing awakening – and the rest of my life is going to be better because of it.

If a married guy who has realised the truth still cannot be a MGTOW until he gets a divocre, and can’t visit the site, then with my new found wisdom about walking away, I’ll just be another man who walks away from here too (along with walking away from relationships) – happy and content. But I will always be thankful to MGTOW no matter what.

I only wrote the post because I personally think that there are loads of other guys stuck like me.

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Married mgtow??? No such things mgtow number one rule is do not get married, because once you do you will be.own by that woman and that state, mgtow men goin their own way self ownership ,no contract , i can understand if you use mgtow wisdom ect to protect youself ,but that longer you staying married that longer you will stay in that.plantation ,

[Anonymous 2]

I agree with you brother 100%. If a man still married -even organising his divorce- he cannot go on his way yet . He is on the way to become a MGTOW but he won’t be until he is fully divorced. A real MGTOW is a single man who never been married,who don’t live in a de facto relationship,or fully divorced.

[UntamedParticipant]

This website was designed for Men Going Their Own Way.
If you’re married you are not going your own way, you’re going her way, as much as you think you are not, you still are by virtue of the contract you’re living under.
I’m not much into judging, it’s not my place. But this website has Men who have gone through the hell of marriage, divorced and survived. We have found a platform made especially for us, that is unmarried and divorced men, so for a married man to come in here and proclaim he’s going his own way as a mgtow is minimizing our plight, saying, in effect, that marriage is compatible with going your own way.
It is not.
A mgtow man is not married, doesn’t think about marriage and limits his contacts with t~~~s to the bare necessities: Use your imagination.
If you’re a member and are still married, you are on the fence and one of these days you’re gonna have to get off that fence on one side or the other.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[learningParticipant 115]

You guys are right. I’m not a MGTOW. Maybe I should just change my forum name…. with hindsight, it is pretty stupid to say marriedMGTOW!

But having said that, I guess the truth is that being a MGTOW is my aim… I want to get there one day.

But hopefully until then, I can still discuss issues on here…

Remember, people make mistakes and then they (only men, I’m guessing) learn from them and fix them and improve themselves. I’m on it and hopefully I will succeed soon. This site is a superb place for guys like me to wake up – and if mgtow.com is a place where you can only come and interact at AFTER you have become fully MGTOW…. then I guess I”ll just lurk until then!

[Anonymous 42]

Okay, I am sick and tired of married men coming here and stating that they are MGTOW.
You are a married man, You are not MGTOW.
It’s like a being a prostitute and a nun at the same time, you Cant be both! being one negates the other, ah and on a side note staying in an ugly marriage because of the kids??? F~~~ the kids!!! they will grow up and give you the finger while leaving the house anyway, so my advise to any man out there, you want to be free, you want to be happy? you want to be a real MGTOW, you divorce the bitch and give the finger to HER kids ( under the eyes of the law, they are HERS not YOURS ).

I say ban married men who didn’t file for divorce. If you are married, you are on the wrong forum. Good fathers? hahahahahaha gimme a break in today’s society Fathers is a non-existant word. please spare me the: I am married but I am MGTOW talk please and thank you! dont let the door hit you on the back!

@ Lodoss I understand your passion, the same fire burns in we when I examine the contract of marriage and how by proxy of law places the man under the tyrannical foot of oppression! I’ve seen many men destroyed by a woman’s shallow empty vows, and how these men are harnessed to the slave wheel of gynocentric mandates dictated by law.
With that said, I see the married MGTOW as totally arrogant, only if they actually think anything can go their way when the grenade they love so much explodes and leaves them blown to spiritual pieces, and enslaved by the mandates of law.
A man trapped in the misery of a failed marriage, is actively planning his escape, and desires to never marry again, I can call him my brother in MGTOW philosophy! He’s knows he’s MGTOW bound and chained in the gynocentric prison of marriage, he knows marriage laws have castrated his manhood and placed him in a bad position, he knows he’s been emasculated by law and must serve her against every part of his moral being.
He knows deep in his soul he wants to be free and will stop at nothing to regain his manhood out from under the man damning spirit of a gynocentric system! A system that sees him as a source of revenue to further pervert and molest the human existence into oblivion! F~~~ THAT! AND F~~~ MARRIAGE!

In the past woman served their men in fear of loosing them and having to fend for themselves.
Now (via marriage laws and government entitlements) the woman has lawfully made the man a servant to her selfish wants and desires, and the welfare system as a strong backup plan to take care of her by not allowing to let her suffer under her own damn narcissism and poor performance as a viable member of a productive society.

Females enjoy the benefits of free heat, free rent, free food, free medical, all the while men are hungry, cold, homeless, living in tents and cardboard boxes with their persons rejected by gynosociety and labeled as loosers! The system is f~~~ing broken! By who! THE PAMPERED LITTLE C~~~S RECEIVING EVERYTHING THROUGH LAWFUL ENSLAVEMENT OF MEN! <F~~~ THAT! TIMES ETERNITY!>

[OldBillParticipant]

learning wrote:

You guys are right. I’m not a MGTOW. Maybe I should just change my forum name…. with hindsight, it is pretty stupid to say marriedMGTOW!

I happen to agree with those saying that a married man who is not working/planning for divorce cannot be a MGTOW and that such a man should not post here. However…

But having said that, I guess the truth is that being a MGTOW is my aim… I want to get there one day.

… I have no problem with a married man actively working/planning towards his divorce and becoming a MGTOW posting here.

We are all at different points along our individual journeys. The only thing that matters is if we’ve taken the first step.

Page through the fora here. We’ve members who still have long term girlfriends or still want girlfriends, we’ve members who still live with women or still want to, and we’ve members who still live with their parent(s). Are they truly MGTOWs? I have sex with women, dine with them, hike with them, go to the theater with them, and talk with them in bars. Does anyone want to question my MGTOW status?

A man’s MGTOW status can only be measured by how often he lives or tries to live his life on his own terms. None of us live 100% on our own terms. Instead our lives and MGTOW status are an ever changing mixture of intents, actions, and successes. Have you taken that first step yet? If not, you’re not a MGHOW yet. It’s only the first step that matters because we’re all at different points along the journey.

The last thing we need is some Red Guard questioning everyone’s ideological purity. Feminists and other SJWs are just beginning to see the first stirrings of that particular idiocy what with college douchenozzles now routinely howling down and “shaming” the self same liberal academic assclowns who created them. Do we want that s~~~ here?

You happen to be married, marriedMGTOW. My only question to you – and the only question that matters – is whether you’re planning on divorce and actively working towards that goal. Simply saying “Yeah, I’m going to get divorced…” isn’t enough. Have you taken that first step?

I’ve an acquaintance who does little but bitch about being married and his wife. No matter where he is or what he’s doing, his conversation is continually peppered with comments about how his marriage was a mistake and how his wife drives him crazy. He also regularly and forcefully tells young men not to marry. Despite that, he isn’t a MGHOW.

At first I broached MGTOW ideas with him and. when, he brushed that off, began purposely busting his b~~~~ about getting a divorce. When his youngest child began college this fall, I congratulated him and suggested he could begin planning on a divorce once she graduates. My pointed suggestion that he could start planning for a divorce kept him from complaining (at least around me) about his marriage for a couple of days. He hasn’t taken that first step, he won’t even contemplate taking that first step, so he isn’t a MGHOW.

So, let me ask again. Have you taken that first step yet, marriedMGTOW? Are you planning on a divorce? Are you taking the steps necessary to get the best possible outcome from the corrupt and biased family court system? The deck is stacked against you but, with work and planning, you can lessen the odds.

Are you planning? Have you taken that first step?

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stepping in candidly and casually, I would like to think of our forums as a “Red Pill” Man’s forum before being exclusively “for MGTOW only”. But only slightly. Even Roosh would be welcome here and we wouldn’t turn him away – providing it’ s relevant to MGTOW. We have also had several PUAs poke their noses in., and asked “Do you accept PUAs with a MGTOW spirit?” to which I replied in the affirmative.

/poster/lou/

That’s a married man, and he has a hell of alot to say that’s worth listening to.
It’s practically a goddam MGTOW commercial.

But calling oneself “married MGTOW” is really reaching. And I say that with a SMILE. No hostility there. It’s just a display name. But even though it’s “just a display name” you can understand where the reactions will come from. It’s like calling oneself “military intelligence”. There is also an entire fleet of MRA’s who are chanting the “you can be a married MGTOW” nonsense, and MGTOW have reached their limit with that.

We have also seen alot of odd display names like “the truth” , “death” and you can read QUITE A BIT into that – just from the label.

On international Men’s Day (11..19) someone signed up with the name “I just disagree”. Yeah OK. So take a number and get to the back of the line. They and 90% of the planet will “disagree” with MGTOW. We know that already , but you can’t disagree with a FACT because it’s not an opinion. So disagreeing holds no water, and we got rid of them. Go to facebook and “disagree” with Men. Go anywhere else. The majority of the world you live in “disagrees” with the male opinion and “just disagreeing” doesn’t make them RIGHT.

This is a place where men will say it like it is, call others out , and not buffer their responses for the sake of being polite. If you can take it then the “self-aware” married man can also contribute something of real value.

The only opinion we will flatly reject here is the female opinion – with no exceptions. Not even a “pro-MGTOW” female option is welcome here. That’s not “discrimination based on gender” or any such horses~~~. It’s just a place FOR men. When something is “pro-man” it’s not inherently “anti-woman”. A man will understand that with no further explanation required. A woman won’t.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

learning wrote:

You guys are right. I’m not a MGTOW. Maybe I should just change my forum name…

Yeah. Get divorced and rename yourself as divorcedmgtow. something to look forward to

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[learningParticipant 115]

Ok … look. you guys have a very good thing going here, And I’m not trying to barge in here saying look! look! I’m also a MGTOW while I’m still married. I’ll change my username after this post.. and tbh I won’t post again .. I don’t want to ruin your party.

But for me, after going through the site and spending a reasonable amount of time here over the last couple of years I have realised a few things:

1. I am not interested in any romantic relationship with any woman any more – ever again. It is a joke and it’s a lie. I work in finance and we do a lot of this s~~~ – sell stuff that is actually worth nothing, while making it sounds like it is. We also make a lot of money out of it.
2. I am only in my marriage because I don’t want my son growing up with a complete idiot. I know for a fact I won’t get custody – I’m choosing to remain in the marriage because I need to make sure my son doesn’t grow up mindless – with no interests and passions and talents. Cos my wife will just leave her to the nannies – I know that for a fact.
3. I will leave her as soon as my kids are in college. By then, I would have saved enough for myself to help fund my lifestyle of fun, games and hookers. Like I said before, I work in finance, and I know for a fact that hiding money is p~~~ easy – you just have to know what you are doing. I’m already doing it for some my clients right now.

I just started this thread for people like me who are stuck in a marriage where they remain for kids … and for those poor f~~~ers (I am one of them) about how easy it actually is to fool them while you remain with them (obviously for the kids) and make your life okay in the meantime.

For those who feel that staying for the kids is stupid, then you and me are in disagreement. And that’s fine. I’ll just walk away from the discussion in that case.

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

learning wrote:

For those who feel that staying for the kids is stupid, then you and me are in disagreement. And that’s fine. I’ll just walk away from the discussion in that case.

Well kids growing up fatherless is the start of the problem – most of the time if not all.

There are men out there who are the on the same boat as you so you are not alone however I still stand on the belief that the kids should not suffer and pay for the unwise decisions of the adults so I’d say its quite wise to “do it for the kids”.

Don't let defeat, defeat you; Let defeat be your greatest teacher.

[MalfunctionNeedInputParticipant 257]

Basically married men that resonate with MGTOW are “closet MGTOW”s. Men waiting for the chance to be free, biding their time until divorce, no? Good on you for finally realizing it and for choosing to go your own way. Just make sure to protect yourself, you’re still “sleeping with the enemy.”

Everyone awakens at different times in their struggle against the system. Some are better off than others, relatively speaking.

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Anonymous wrote:

They’re like a big piece of cheese in a mouse trap! And we’re the mice!

i like! – to make perfect sence id say the woman is the mouse trap, the pussy is the cheese and were the mice.

[Anonymous 42]

Ohno wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍo┴ wrote:

They’re like a big piece of cheese in a mouse trap! And we’re the mice!

i like! – to make perfect sence id say the woman is the mouse trap, the pussy is the cheese and were the mice.

Hey german-t, I stand corrected, you’re right! A mouse trap and a woman’s legs close at about the same speed! just ask any divorced dude here! For that matter, ANY DUDE HERE!

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