On slut-shaming and MGTOW

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

<cite>@manid said:</cite>
Hey, guys! Thank you a lot for doing such a great service of helping other men to finally realize that they have been mistreated and abused their whole lives by women and man-hating-society. I swallowed the red pill not so long ago and it was the best moment of my life. I’m still trying to get rid of the “white-knight-mentality” and I have some unanswered questions.
We all want to live in a world with no double standards, right? In order to get a step closer to this world slut-shaming must be eradicated. I personally believe that women should be able to sleep around and not fear the societal judgment. What do you think? Is MGTOW for or against slut-shaming?

As long as a woman owns up to what she’s doing then I could care less what she chooses to do with her body. It’s the guys falling into their trap that are the problem.

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[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I need to add to this, as it’s one of my favorite forum subjects on here.  I had to use Keymaster’s genius terminology to call some women out on saying they should be able to sleep with whomever they want without being “shamed.”

I finally got ONE to respond.  What does SHE say (not that it matters)?

“Chris, that is also false. As I’m sure you’ve never lived life as a woman, you have no idea what it’s like from a females perspective.

You also don’t seem to understand how modern relationships work.

Your quote confirms the idea that women are objects that are judged if they make the decisions that they want are considered trash. I also can give you no respect due to the fact that you can refer to someone as a “land whale”.

The entire point is, there is a double standard. Women should be as free as men to enjoy who they want as a sexual partner.”

[BrainPilotParticipant 7645]

@ chris,
I’ve heard young attractive women refer to older wealthy men as “gray prey”. If they can refer to me that way when they’re young and skinny and I’m busting my ass to make money, I don’t see why I can’t call them “land whales” 10-20 years later when they are fat… and I’ve succeeded at making it.

It’s not a double standard here. It’s equally accurate truth. The only complaint is that they didn’t acquire the ‘prey’ before they became the ‘whale’…

I call that failure to acquire the ‘prey’… the “MGTOW Effect”. 😀

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[sidecarParticipant 35870]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

”Women should be as free as men to enjoy who they want as a sexual partner.”

Delusional bitch has no idea what she’s even saying. Men have freedom to enjoy who they want as a sexual partner? Really? No, wait, REALLY? The f~~~ is she thinking?

The only “freedom” most men have is “enjoying” spending their hard earned money on some woman with the very likely result that she will decide to “just be friends”. Whether or not sex happens is entirely up to her. Men are only “free” to pay for everything, whether sex happens or not.

When a man has a long history of sexual partners it’s a sign or accomplishment and effort. When a woman has a long history of sexual partners it’s a sign she didn’t have any better use for her time.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Women tend to slut-shame more than men, here’s why:

For men, “sluts” are easy sex. And females don’t like it, because by giving easy sex away, they lower the overall value of other women. Imagine, you have oranges you want to sell for as much as you can (“normal” chicks), then next to you another guy has just as many oranges but gives them away for free(“slut”), thus making people uninterested in yours. Why would they pay if they can have it for free, right?

Of course, the analogy has its limits, but it was just to give the bigger picture. For instance, you can’t go back to the fruit seller telling “I already ate it, but now I regret buying it so I want my money back”, aka “yes means yes” bs that can get you in jail on a woman’s whim.

Hope it helped!

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[experiencedParticipant]

Women have beyond complete freedom at shutting the door to sex, ex post facto even. Men must fight for complete freedom at shutting the door to their wallets. EG: Attorney: “If your ex pays child support it will only be 70 per month do you want it?”  Answer: “If it’s 2 cents a month, the answer is ‘yes’ on principle, for all the thousands of guys in line behind me in court.”   Leather on leather the wallet slaps shut as quickly as leather on leather virgina.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Yes, slut shaming is acceptable.

There are literally more women with STDs in American than Men!

What does that tell you?

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I’ve never really thought highly of men who sleep around with a lot of women, simply because from a personal perspective…all of my friends who have had way more than their fair share of women have had a lot of low quality women.  I never really thought one a stud for having sex with women I wouldn’t want to touch with a ten foot pole.

But before I go any further…I think its important to talk about what constitutes slut shaming, because I have my view on sex, and other people have their view, but I’d never openly bash someone or treat them poorly because of that.  People are free to have sex with however many or as few people as they want.

However…with that being said…I hold a potential girlfriend to a higher standard than I would a platonic friend, so I’d never take a girl seriously that had a few too many rotations on the c~~~ carousel.  In my opinion these girls, just like my guy friends, have just cycled through a bunch of low quality partners, have a higher risk for disease, have a lower chance of actually forming any sort of normal relationship(if I’m going to roll the dice again on another relationship in the future I’d rather do it with someone that maybe rolled the dice and lost 3 times, instead of rolled the dice and lost 23 times), morality…too me sex is something important, not just that recreational activity you do with some random every weekend, and its just a total respect issue for me…I just couldn’t respect someone as a partner that I know has already given herself so easily to so many other men.

The thing with that though…is I don’t even view that as a double standard at all, because there are women out there who feel that same exact way.  There are actually women out there who call “studs” or “players” pigs and avoid them.  Some women don’t want a dirty dick any more than I’d want a beat up vag.

I think the reason the perception of such a double standard still exists can be related back to Keymasters key and lock statement.  I think if you actually got a truthful answer on how many partners people have had, you would probably find that a minority of men have had an insane amount of women, and most men have had relatively few partners.  I’m not going to give numbers simply because having had 5 partners at 60 isn’t nearly the same as having had 5 partners by 19.  I think women in comparison we have a lower amount of women with relatively few partners and more women with moderate-high amount of partners.

So to explain it a bit…lets pretend the average person has had 10 partners…because lets face it, if the male and female average don’t match someone is full of s~~~.  These numbers are just totally made up…just making an example here.  You’d probably find for men the bottom 80% of men have averaged 5 women, and the top 20% average 30.  For women you’d probably find a much more even spread…like the bottom 80% averaged 8 and the top 20% averaged 18.’

So basically you end up with a lot of men who end up having had a less partners than most women have had.  I think you then have a lot of men who would actually like to find a “good” woman with a number close to or lower than theirs.  Women aren’t totally retarded…they know that…that is why women slut shame way more then men do.  I think men are just like eh…I wouldn’t get involved with a whore and keep it to themselves(man on woman slut shaming is sexual harassment), where as women are more vocal about it(women never f~~~ing get charged with sexual harassment) as a means to try to justify they aren’t a whore when they realize they want to settle down with one of those guys looking for a “good” woman…kinda like “I f~~~ed up but that whore f~~~ed up more so just ignore my f~~~ ups” sort of mentality.

edit: I think another way to describe what I’m getting at is everyone has a relative SMV score of 1-10.  Men generally would rate themselves close to what women would rate them, where as women with the golden vagina all give themselves +4 just for having a vagina, and then refuse to date down, but end up getting used by someone out of their league.  When they approach the wall…they realize their SMV is a lot lower than they thought, but by the time they want to settle down with men that were really in their range the whole time, those guys are like LOL GOING MY OWN WAY…don’t want your beat up snatch I’d rather just have toys, hobbies, and vacations.

[GrotesqueRogueParticipant 116]

Manid

 

I have to disagree with you that many guys in Russia have to get married first to get sex from their partner. Personally, I know plenty males and females with normal sexual life, and I saw plenty of “jerks” in my life as well, so…)

As for the slut-shaming in Russia – true, but it seems to me that it’s just older generations who are against them, ask people younger than 30 – I think, you would get plenty of positive responses (maybe, even half of females would agree with that as well).

 

Anyway, I’m glad to see a guy from Russia here, that’s such a rare case (due to people there not usually taking time to explore themselves and society, and the huuuuuuuuuuge lack of knowledge of English). Welcome!

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

Warrior wrote:

The pill came along and gave women the agency to protect themselves from the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy. This in and of itself was not a bad thing and the pill was created with the best of intentions I’m sure,

Unfortunately this is not the case. The pill was thought up and designed by highly liberal feminists. They lied to the federal government and the people about the purpose of the pill and conducted very shady and unsafe studies on women to get it create, refined and released.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/10/07/354103536/the-great-bluff-that-lead-to-a-magical-pill-and-a-sexual-revolution?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=health

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[VoidraitheParticipant 477]

Have you seen feminists? They will claim you can’t slut shame women then call any woman more attractive then they are “sex objects”. Shaming them for being more attractive and desirable.

 

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