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After I decided to change jobs I have been interviewing people for my position. During the interviewing sessions (Representing HR = 2 women. Representing real job = me) I could see some of the brutal biases towards women. In fact, being female was literally a decision making factor more important than the actual skills “but she can learn, right?”, work experience “but we can all teach her, right?” or education “but what is a degree, anyways?”.
This made me realize that MGTOW may benefit from some experiences from members, such as myself, who work or have work in offices.
I know, envy, and respect, the ones of you who have the b~~~~ to live outside cubicles, but I want to believe that MGTOW will not discriminate men in different areas of the red pill spectrum. Still, if this thread is contrary to the MGTOW principles, by all means delete it.
So here are some of the tips I have learned when dealing with women at the workplace:
GOLDEN RULE NUMERO UNO: NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH ANYONE CONNECTED TO YOUR COMPANY. No employees, suppliers, customers, contractors, etc…Once I was in Mexico with a woman known to prefer married men, who was a temporary contractor. She literally dared me to go to her hotel room with “you don’t have the b~~~~ to do it” to which I answered “yes ma’am, I do not have the b~~~~”.
GOLDEN RULE NUMERO DOS: SHUT UP WHENEVER YOU CAN. EVERYTHING YOU SAY CAN, AND WILL BE USED, TO GET YOU FIRED. If golden rule one is your strategic approach to the office, golden rule two is your operational, or daily, one. Avoid spaces / times where women meet. Try to have your lunch early or late with your like-minded male colleagues, or token males (you don’t want to be seen as unfriendly). Eat alone two or three times per week.
When in meetings where women are exposing, do NOT ask them questions nor make comments. Whenever they expose something dumb, keep it to yourself and let her sink all by herself. Is battle of the sexes, remember?
GOLDEN RULE NUMERO TRES: FIGHT CLUB RULE ONE Never talk about MGTOW with neither men nor women during working hours. If you find a man in need, help him outside of the office, with MGTOW-type answers but without mentioning it by name, unless for a year. He is still a coworker and can get you in trouble. As for women, what the f*** are you doing talking to them about this?
Talking to women in the office
There are two settings where, like it or not, you will have to talk to women. One is informal chats, the other is meetings.
Informal chats: This is the office equivalent of a DUI stop. Be polite, answer her questions, but provide no information beyond what is socially required.
Woman – So, Mark, is there any Mrs. Mark?
You – No.
Woman – So are you seeing anyone?
You – Sorry but I do not feel comfortable answering personal questions.
BANG!Woman – Did you hear what Trump did blah blah blah what do you think blah
You – I don’t know. I am not really interested in politics.
BANG!Woman – Did you hear what Tiffany did?
You – I prefer not to talk about HR matters
BANG!Meetings: Not as tricky as you may think. If she is exposing, or making comments, no matter how dumb they are, you keep you mouth shut. If asked DIRECTLY, provide a vague answer, or simply agree. Example:
Woman – So I think we should invest 100m in pink stuffed animals to give to men whenever they buy hammers. Mark, what do you think?
You – I do not have direct experience in pink stuffed animals so I would not be comfortable providing an opinion.Woman – Mark, as head of Marketing, what do you think about giving pink stuffed animals to men buying hammers?
You – Pink animals are very cute. I think you should present this idea to senior management!
Woman – So you agree with me. Let’s present it together.
You – Sorry I cannot do that. No way I will steal your rainbow. Jenny, from my department, is a far better qualified person than me for this wonderful task.—-
Feel free to add, comment, or criticize these ideas.
Sound advice, only problem is being polite and not engaging them more will just set you up as a challenge for them.
They will try harder to get under your skin.
All sound advice.
There’s one thing wrong with your approach though. Weemins nowadays KNOW that guys try to avoid them and try to act neutral, especially in the office. These bitches will see right through those tactics and will put the pressure on for you to clarify your stance. DON’T underestimate a C~~~! They want to know everything about you so they can assassinate your career, and giving them crumbs isn’t going to satisfy them, they’ll just come charging at you like a herd of bison until they find out what they already suspect, that you want nothing to do with their crazy ass.
It’s been a long while since I had to put up with bitches in an office job but my take on this now, if I had to do it again, would be to be just as hypocritical as they are, as backstabbing as they and just as vicious.
Lie to them. Lie your ass off on the things they can’t possibly know and then invent the rest. NONE of them will be at your home checking and do NOT invite ANY of them at your place. Ever.Woman – So, Mark, is there any Mrs. Mark?
You – There was once… but she died giving birth and the baby died too.
Woman – So are you seeing anyone?
You – The pain is still new to even think about that.Woman – Did you hear what Trump did blah blah blah what do you think blah
You – I didn’t vote for Trump and, really, I don’t know anyone who’d vote for that douchebag.Woman – Did you hear what Tiffany did?
You – I heard! Isn’t that something?Woman – So I think we should invest 100m in pink stuffed animals to give to men whenever they buy hammers. Mark, what do you think?
You – It’s a wonderful idea!Woman – Mark, as head of Marketing, what do you think about giving pink stuffed animals to men buying hammers?
You – Pink animals are very cute! We should give one to every visitor here, too.Woman – So you agree with me. Let’s present it together.
You – No no no, I don’t want my presence undermining your efforts.Why tell ’em the truth? They don’t deserve the truth. Don’t get mixed up with co-workers and you’ll be fine.
Dodge, lie, dodge lie, dodge, invent be creative and don’t let yourself get outsmarted.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!Sound advice, only problem is being polite and not engaging them more will just set you up as a challenge for them.
They will try harder to get under your skin.
I agree with your comment. However it is an office. You MUST be polite. Otherwise you are going to get in trouble with HR.
As for the challenge, just pretend to be a beta. That has worked wonders for me.
Thx Mark. As a ”soon to start a career guy” I find this very helpful.
Weemins nowadays KNOW that guys try to avoid them and try to act neutral, especially in the office. These bitches will see right through those tactics and will put the pressure on for you to clarify your stance. DON’T underestimate a C~~~!
100% correct. Yet we need to make a clear distinction between the office and personal lives. I have learned the hard way that office politics force us to “dance” to their tune.
Lie your ass off on the things they can’t possibly know and then invent the rest. NONE of them will be at your home checking and do NOT invite ANY of them at your place. Ever.
The problem with lying is that you have to keep the lie. God forbid that the lies are exposed. If you don’t like, but don’t give them anything, you have a better fighting chance.
Woman – So, Mark, is there any Mrs. Mark?
You – There was once… but she died giving birth and the baby died too.
Woman – So are you seeing anyone?
You – The pain is still new to even think about that.All good and dandy until your coworker is introduced to your second cousin and BANG! she comes back at you asking why you have lied, why you talk about dead women, do you want to have a wife and child to kill them both? oh, HR sure should know about this…
Woman – Did you hear what Trump did blah blah blah what do you think blah
You – I didn’t vote for Trump and, really, I don’t know anyone who’d vote for that douchebag.Then you find out that her husband is a huge Trump supporter, so probably you think her husband is stupid…HR!
Woman – Did you hear what Tiffany did?
You – I heard! Isn’t that something?…And the next thing you know is Tiffany going to HR because that woman told her that you are spreading rumors about her.
Woman – So I think we should invest 100m in pink stuffed animals to give to men whenever they buy hammers. Mark, what do you think?
You – It’s a wonderful idea!…and the next thing you know is that you are now in charge of the idea because you were oh-so-enthusiastic that she talk to the CEO about it. If it fails, is on you, of course.
Woman – Mark, as head of Marketing, what do you think about giving pink stuffed animals to men buying hammers?
You – Pink animals are very cute! We should give one to every visitor here, too.Woman – So you agree with me. Let’s present it together.
You – No no no, I don’t want my presence undermining your efforts.She will see the irony a mile away. The next stop is HR.
Why tell ’em the truth? They don’t deserve the truth. Don’t get mixed up with co-workers and you’ll be fine.
Dodge, lie, dodge lie, dodge, invent be creative and don’t let yourself get outsmarted.In the ideal world I would not work with women period. Then, I would not mix with them period. But we are not in the ideal world, unfortunately.
Believe you me, I have seen men fall under office rules, one of them as fresh as last year. It is safer to tell the truth and dodge, than to lie and risk being exposed.
Thx Mark. As a ”soon to start a career guy” I find this very helpful.
Actually, I would like to give you a more general advice, one that again I have learned the hard way. I hope that will ease your future career life.
1) The office is not a place for being right. It is also no a place for working hard. F~~~ the moral high ground if that is going to get you fired. For all intents and purposes, the office is a war zone.
Once I tried to help a guy who only had a girlfriend in his entire life. We went on a trip to Asia and told him that he should try the “local product”. Upon his request for more info I proceed to give him some advice about how he should first taste different women before committing to one. The next thing I knew this backstabber piece of rubbish told the whole department, and all the women in it.
I have seen coworkers cheating on their wives, and like the real man I am I kept my mouth shut. Hell, I even cover for one. But do not expect others to be like you.
2) Learn the office culture and act likewise. Never focus on winning an argument UNLESS it translates into a real winning (for instance, destroying a bad idea with solid facts in front of your boss).
3) Say what you mean and do what you say. No threats. If you want to negotiate a better salary, be sure to have another job prepared, or to feel ok about walking away from your current job.
Last December I went to my current boss. I wanted to apply for a more senior position higher that was vacant. The meeting was with HR, my boss, and yours truly. I prepared a Powerpoint explaining, with facts and data, why I can take that position. My boss shut me down because he was not sure about my “people skills”.
Not a problem. January 1st I dusted off the old cv, updated my linkedin account, and by February I was doing phone interviews. By March I was doing face-to-face interviews. By April I was doing personal interviews. By May I was negotiating salaries and before the first of June I gave my resignation letter.
My boss had the b~~~~ to tell me he was surprised, and I answered literally: “Sir, I say what I mean and I do what I say. You told me you did not see me qualified for the position, so I found someone else who thought otherwise”. In September I start my new senior job leading several teams and a healthy amount of people.
In summary: No threats. Say what you mean and do what you say.
All great advice and after letting slip an opinion that I should not have recently, I will offer the following stoic advice.
Know that you are in a position to be that others want to fill. Consider what you say and when you say it. Do not enter into idle conversation and if you do, just keep to the basics. Yes, no, I don’t really have an opinion, I don’t feel comfortable speaking about this.
Don’t give them more of an excuse to fire you.
"My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it." - Clarence Buddinton Kelland
Weemins nowadays KNOW that guys try to avoid them and try to act neutral, especially in the office. These bitches will see right through those tactics and will put the pressure on for you to clarify your stance. DON’T underestimate a C~~~! They want to know everything about you so they can assassinate your career, and giving them crumbs isn’t going to satisfy them, they’ll just come charging at you like a herd of bison until they find out what they already suspect, that you want nothing to do with their crazy ass.
Very important points.
They see when a man is not falling over himself to kiss their entitled arses. That’s both a threat to the collective and a blow to the individual ego, so they will push harder.
Stealth first, evasiveness where necessary.
Anonymous11Self-employed here, but I live by the same principles.
Great post OP!
ALL GOOD STUFF !!
Personally, I already follow the above, and also eat my lunch/breaks etc. quietly by myself in my office.
I do MY JOB, but aside from limited conversations with a couple/few other male employees pretty much GHOST as much as possible.
The Women that I interact with I keep it as much “work” talk as possible.
Within the past year, I had one good lookin young single mom maybe gettin a lil to close for comfort. She told me some “office gossip” about this one bangin out that one ETC. I told her straight up that getting involved with ANYONE you work with is a BAD IDEA for all kinds of reasons. After that, she moved on, and I had to deal with her lil hamster wheel a whole lot less.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Boar’s Rules for personal survival when in the Hive.
1) Establish firm and clear boundaries;
2) Defend those boundaries like MG-Tower defends his place: consistently and ferociously;
3) Be prepared to be seen as a mystery, but offer no clues and do not respond to rumors;
4) Be consistent in your behavior and treatment of everyone, and most importantly:
5) Never mistake your work circle as your social circle.Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.
Can we make this a sticky post ?
They see when a man is not falling over himself to kiss their entitled arses. That’s both a threat to the collective and a blow to the individual ego, so they will push harder.
Stealth first, evasiveness where necessary.
I could not say it better myself.
Can we make this a sticky post ?
Now I am blushing….which, in an office, it could perfectly mean that I am
going to HR to file a complain for sexual harassment.Know that you are in a position to be that others want to fill.
I wouldn’t say so exactly. In my experience, is more of you are either “with them” or “against them”. I do not believe they would like a man’s job because, in most cases, they would suck at it. And again, data does not lie: In the UK, more than 70% of women at the office are employed as paper-pushers (HR/Admin, which is sugar-coating for “secretaries”).
If you go to work, you do your job, and incidentally expose that the rest is not doing theirs. If you work while they chit-chat, you do more work. It is that simple.
The little ladies don’t want your job. They just want to sit down and discuss hair products.
Consider what you say and when you say it. Do not enter into idle conversation and if you do, just keep to the basics. Yes, no, I don’t really have an opinion, I don’t feel comfortable speaking about this. Don’t give them more of an excuse to fire you.
That’s something to engrave, frame, and put on your office.
In the ideal world I would not work with women period. Then, I would not mix with them period. But we are not in the ideal world, unfortunately.
Believe you me, I have seen men fall under office rules, one of them as fresh as last year. It is safer to tell the truth and dodge, than to lie and risk being exposed.
You’re right. My post is no advice.
It’s actually a brain fart! LOL
And lying is never good policy.
That’s why I don’t apply to work in offices. I wouldn’t last two hours because I don’t like to pretend or lie.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!In the UK, more than 70% of women at the office are employed as paper-pushers (HR/Admin, which is sugar-coating for “secretaries”).
See Al Murray’s (aka ‘The Pub Landlord’), take on secretaries.
Starts at 6.20.
You’re right. My post is no advice.
It’s actually a brain fart! LOL
And lying is never good policy.
That’s why I don’t apply to work in offices. I wouldn’t last two hours because I don’t like to pretend or lie.I respect all opinions, and my criticism is only out of respect. I know here I can disagree without having to suffer abuse. And you can disagree with me and have a nice respectful conversation, man to man.
In fact, I do apply your principles, just on a different setting. I lie all the time to women. Hell, I do not believe I had a mistress who knew my real name since 2007!
I respect all opinions, and my criticism is only out of respect. I know here I can disagree without having to suffer abuse. And you can disagree with me and have a nice respectful conversation, man to man.
I can recognize when I’m wrong. Your reply to me was spot on. I’m not one to abuse someone anyway. Plenty of weemins to do that already.
In fact, I do apply your principles, just on a different setting. I lie all the time to women. Hell, I do not believe I had a mistress who knew my real name since 2007!
There’s nothing wrong about lying to liars whose purpose it is to destroy you and your life.
The worse thing you can do when faced with one of those monsters is to be honest! They only want to know to better destroy you. Girlfiends – that’s not a typo by the way – only want to know your innermost thoughts to better rob you of everything you have.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
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