Nice car vs grey man car

[Anonymous 38]

Next year I will be getting a car and in quiet times at work I’ve been comparing a lot of different vehicles for purchase and running costs (including fuel economy), technology, user and expert reviews, resale value, etc. What is really boils down to is more expensive, half luxury car vs. a cheap, non-prestigious, standard car. There are a number of pros and cons to both, and I find it interesting from a MGTOW’s point of view.

With the luxury option I am not talking about high-end cars – I do not have the means for those. I am talking more like 3-4 year old BMWs, Mercedes, Audis etc. These aren’t high-end cars but certain models look expensive. This would be a cash purchase, and I would only buy a model which I can afford to insure, tax, service and which has at least an average MPG.

I have never been one for hiding myself, or to care about what people think of me. I learned long ago that for me it’s better to be myself, open and free, than to live overly cautiously because I end up feeling trapped by others’ opinions. I have also learned another benefit of showing myself – it enables you to identify who’s out to get you and who’s got your back. If someone takes a sudden and overt interest in you when you’ve come into fortune – watch out. This approach has given me some struggles, but ultimately made me a stronger person.

And yet I am aware that sometimes it’s wise to be the grey man, and I do practice this in other aspects of my life.

The quandary is whether to say, to hell with the envy and c~~~s I might attract by driving a flash car. I have the cash, I believe I’ll get continued pleasure from driving a beautiful machine. A man should not be afraid of owning a beautiful car, if he can afford to run it.

Or to approach it from a more philosophical angle: it’s just a means from getting A to B, it’s more minimalistic, the good feels of owning a nice car will soon become anxiety, etc. We know that flashy cars attract gold-diggers, and unwanted attention in general.

My ‘problem’ sometimes is that I tend to see both sides of an argument. This can lead to indecision. I both want a nice car, but have the feeling it isn’t worth it. But then many of life’s pleasures are not ‘worth it’ from purely an economic perspective, yet they still give enjoyment to life.

Any thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated, men.

[JVBParticipant]

What ever your choice make it a Honda.

Peace is > piece.

[Anonymous 38]

JVB wrote:

What ever your choice make it a Honda.

Hondas are very reliable.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

approach it from a more philosophical angle

As one who is mechanically inclined I’m looking into older Mercedes Diesel, I drive Toyota’s and German Turbo Diesel, the Toyota’s treated me better, I still have my 1984 in tire chains and plow and I manage to keep it running! No major mechenical malfunctions in spite being in slave chains and worked like Mexican Mule in a copper mine! Driving them ever since and using them to over 200,000 miles and selling them still running.

I want the Older Mercedes Diesel Sedan with the gangster package! They roared to life and pressed you in your seat! I drove one back then and I really liked the way it handled and fit like a tight glove to the road! A muscle car with allot of “sticky” power under control!

I look for pristine or damaged when I buy cars and trucks, but most of all I go by the mechanical reputation of the manufacturer, which isolates me from buying American unless it’s old and steam engine simple!

Anonymous wrote:

This can lead to indecision. I both want a nice car, but have the feeling it isn’t worth it.

Mechanical reputation and handling should be your primary objective.

I driven stretches of road so desolate, late at night, sub zero, that can claim my life! I carry blankets and supplies when I’m that far north! Bang bang “snap” is not something I wanna hear! EVER!

Nothing hates a thing more than a man with a broken car!

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Anonymous wrote:

I am talking more like 3-4 year old BMWs, Mercedes, Audis etc.

EXPENSIVE to Maintain/Repair—-No Thanks!!

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I got a Toyota Tacoma (basically same as the Hilux in Eurasia)… a model used by US Special forces, militia groups and governments. It is my SHTF-WROL chariot.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[GeraldParticipant 3620]

IMO, and many here will say I’m still too blue pill, but if you want a particular car, it is worth it to you. Many extremely comfortable and reliable vehicles are not flashy, and even when flashy can be understated as long as you don’t over-do it. Personally, I do own a Mercedes that is 10 years old and I likely won’t buy another, mainly due to ongoing maintenance costs. I do love it though as it is extremely comfortable inside, has all of the features I want, has power to spare and hugs the road. Just the $400 oil changes alone are killer though. If you buy right, they go fairly un-noticed as few realize I have a Mercedes as it isn’t flashy or overstated.

Reliability is key, buying something you have to work on constantly is no fun, yet having something so expensive you have worries about parking it anywhere is no good either.

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

Gerald wrote:

Personally, I do own a Mercedes that is 10 years old and I likely won’t buy another, mainly due to ongoing maintenance costs. I do love it though as it is extremely comfortable inside, has all of the features I want, has power to spare and hugs the road. Just the $400 oil changes alone are killer though

I Can NOT find ANY Joy in this type of ownership.

Gerald wrote:

Reliability is key, buying something you have to work on constantly is no fun, yet having something so expensive you have worries about parking it anywhere is no good either.

I OWN the car; The car doesn’t Own Me !!

The Older I get, the Happier I am with Cheap and Reliable. The Old Bloom has come off the “Car Ownership” Flower as well.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 42]

Ranger One wrote:

I got a Toyota Tacoma (basically same as the Hilux in Eurasia)… a model used by US Special forces, militia groups and governments. It is my SHTF-WROL chariot.

Same here, Ranger One, locking differential 4-WD Hi-lo 5 speed, DOHC-V6. Great performance and reasonable gas mileage! I’m on #2! First one I sold @225,000 miles and still ran good! (synthetic oil)

[Anonymous 42]

Awakened wrote:

$400 oil changes alone are killer though

I Can NOT find ANY Joy in this type of ownership.

If you maintain it yourself the costs are marginalized, I want an older older Mercedes Diesel with a manual fuel injected fuel pump, not the modern electronics, I own the last year TDI had this fuel system delivery, being a manual pump direct drive and timing off the engine, no sensors, no computer, mechanically driven. The last year you could run bio-diesel.

Diesels last forever when maintained and operated properly. The worst thing you can do as an ignorant operator is let a diesel warm up slowly and leave it idling, this causes piston wall glazing from cold rings that refuse to seat properly polishing out the hatch-marks.

[WPLParticipant 2390]

I own a “nicer” weekend car — a V8 coupe I bought used a decade ago — and an old Ford truck. The Ford isn’t so run down that it will call attention to itself in that regard, but it’s definitely a bit of a beater. The truck gets so little attention from anybody (including the highway patrol) that I call it my “stealth” vehicle. If I were going to replace it today, I’d probably look for a used Toyota or possibly Nissan. The Ford has been good to me overall, but I have had to do a bit more ongoing (unscheduled) maintenance than I’m accustomed to doing on imported vehicles I’ve owned.

[Anonymous 38]

Awakened wrote:

I Can NOT find ANY Joy in this type of ownership.

I’m with you there. That’s when the sheen starts to wear off, when you realise how much you’re haemorrhaging on tires and dealership services. But I think this is why one must carefully analyse the costs involved and be certain the vehicle won’t become a financial burden.

Anonymous wrote:

I want the Older Mercedes Diesel Sedan with the gangster package! They roared to life and pressed you in your seat! I drove one back then and I really liked the way it handled and fit like a tight glove to the road! A muscle car with allot of “sticky” power under control!

I love those big Mercs, my mate has one in his family they use for random trips. It’s huge inside, powerful and smooth as f~~~ for a 25 year old car! Real gangster. You’ve actually tempted me to get one and learn to maintain it myself.

There’s something cool about an old school car. I would love a pick up for the power and size, pretty high tax and not great fuel economy however (rip off Britain fuel prices here).

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

I would love a pick up for the power and size, pretty high tax and not great fuel economy however (rip off Britain fuel prices here).

I’ve watch fuel economy get slaughtered by high maintenance costs! They’d have to pay you $2.50 a gallon to operate it and claim any savings!

In fact, I’ve seen autos cost more to maintain than commercial diesels use in fuel! The savings can be an illusion when you choose the wrong manufacturer! Fuel is cheaper than engines, transmissions, and drive lines! One major repair is the same as 1,600 gallons of fuel! Keep repeating this on a lemon and a 747 dollar for dollar is more fuel efficient!

[Prophet MicahParticipant 1972]

I said “to hell with the gold-diggers” when I bought my Chevy ’15 LT(some LTZ options) Z71.
And when I bought the Airstream I said “to hell with the gas mileage” too!

No Wife - No Strife

[Anonymous 38]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTaoist wrote:

I would love a pick up for the power and size, pretty high tax and not great fuel economy however (rip off Britain fuel prices here).

I’ve watch fuel economy get slaughtered by high maintenance costs! They’d have to pay you $2.50 a gallon to operate it and claim any savings!

In fact, I’ve seen autos cost more to maintain than commercial diesels use in fuel! The savings can be an illusion when you choose the wrong manufacturer! Fuel is cheaper than engines, transmissions, and drive lines! One major repair is the same as 1,600 gallons of fuel! Keep repeating this on a lemon and a 747 dollar for dollar is more fuel efficient!

Very good point. The power of knowledge in action!

[finallyfreeParticipant 341]

“I both want a nice car, but have the feeling it isn’t worth it” I have been thinking the same thing lately. I have a 2007 Ford Explorer that I kept in pretty good condition (almost looks new) 130,000 miles on it but it’s starting to have a lot of problems. I want a 2018 Ford Expedition sooooo bad but I know that Fords are basically crap after 70,000 miles and the price tag is insane. I can afford it, but to pay that much for a Ford is suicide. I keep going back and forth with this issue. One day “I’m like screw it I’m getting it” and then later thinking to myself ” NO WAY” too expensive. Fully loaded one is around 75,000$

[Anonymous 38]

Benz

No complaints about access with this one – six doors!

[MorpheusParticipant 2177]

Never buy 3 or 4 year old German cars. It has already been through the 80% of its life. Everyone sells these after around 5 years after the lease is complete or when the insurance needs to be renewed.

There is so much of electronic crud in German cars, even the roof lamp is controlled by a computer.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Want to go grey man car, get something like an older mini van no one will give you a second look.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

I chose cars on how they make me feel. Rarely will fuel economy be my first thing I think about. If that was the case, a TDI anything you could chip and modify and delete the cat.

If you do live in a area that gets snow, and hate dealing with things like snow tires etc. Look into a awd car. Or if it rains a lot. Really the best of both worlds is an TDI Syncro. The Diesel counteracts some of he bad gas mileage you will get. Cheap to insure, and so cheap, just keep comprehensive. Lots of cheap parts, and all of the bugs have been worked out and are known. Getting a top of the line one with say a bad turbo can be had for less then 1ooo.

If you love meeting people on the road, or have a love affair with tow trucks, and get paid to be fashionably late. Have deep pockets for parts. BUY A….

If a coupe is one of the cars that you like, cheap to own, and are rather easy to come buy and have a nice sporty feel.

Just about anything from a Honda. Parts are cheap, anything goes wrong anyone can fix it. And great overall reliability.

Subaru’s are not that bad. But when its head gasket time. Its almost better just to order a new long block and throw it in.

Fords cars usually wear out at about 150.000 miles. Trucks are great if you get the trouble free models or known about issues you can remedy.

I would not really buy a new car. I usually get them with something wrong, and fix them to new. That way, I don’t have any issues for the lifetime of the car.

Hence. Why I don’t mind Chrysler products that are used. 300ms are starting to get cheap, and I always wanted and SRT AWD version. Again bought cheap, and fixed is the only way to go. As long as the body is perfect. Good buy.

Now BMW might not sound like a cheap car to own. But the older 3 series, is amazing. Great to drive, bullet proof with the right care. And just makes you smile.

As far as looks….. Not reliability. Or cheap to own.

If you are into buying in the new car price range of 50,000. Then why not have an NSX

And one of my personal favorites. The CTSv waggon.

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