Newbie Restriction

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

Here’s an idea.
Since many of us get hot and bothered by Newbies not introducing themselves, maybe, just maybe , it would be a good idea to contact the admins and respectfully request to place a restriction on Noobies to introduce themselves before they post anywhere else in the forum.
I mean actually restricting non-paying Newbies to only post in the introduction section and after they do that it would open up the rest of the forum for them. It’s a more proactive approach versus reactive (where all we do is bash on newbies who do not introduce themselves).

[Anonymous 12]

So you want daddy government to take the burden off you figuring out how to act in this group of fellows.
You must really regret your initiation here.
and now point the finger elsewhere instead of owning your missteps.

F~~~ that.

stand tall, woman!
stand tall!

[Anonymous 54]

Handy Ray wrote:

Here’s an idea.
Since many of us get hot and bothered

Great ice breaker!!!

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

LOL

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I disagree. Yes an introduction is always a good idea but is it always necessary? Restrictions are only rational and useful when they serve a constructive purpose. A restriction of any kind should be justified. What is the justification for the restriction you propose?

I myself (and others) have never actually done an intro—I’ve started several times but I’ve always been dissatisfied with how it reads. Its either too long, too short, too boring, etc. As a result it was some time before anyone took me seriously in the posts—and rightly so. OF course I never got “bashed” nor do I “bash” others for not doing so. We’re not here to bash anyone.

Maybe I’ll try my hand at an introduction again at some point. The idea behind the intro is to familiarize everyone with who you are and what you are about—that same thing can be done over time if one is patient.

[Anonymous 54]

Red Pill, you got a laugh out of her!

I can almost feel the connection between you two!!

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Personally, before I joined I spent a long time reading the forum.

I don’t subscribe to any other forum and generally like to keep a low profile. Anyway, I studdied this site long and hard before joining so when I finally got membership, I knew that posting an Intro was the correct thing to do.

It’s a big step owning up to your MGTOW tendencies, and even bigger now as we are basically public on Google. It’s something to carefully considder. If you choose to join you should already know that an intro is expected. By not giving an intro, (and I don’t mean 2 paragraphs of cookie cutter MGTOW Buzz words), you are disrespecting those who have already bared their soul on here to help others.

If you haven’t studdied the forum before joining, then what made you want to join?

It doesn’t take much to join the dots does it?

It's Time to get Wise

[Anonymous 54]

Personaly, I beleive being able to introduce one self is an important life skill.

If I had Sons I would lean on this heavily.

I was nervous when I did mine, but felt it was important.

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

I bet some of you guys are just big and mighty behind your keyboard there…but get you in a room with another man who wants to kick your ass…you’d fold over like you want to go back into your momma’s womb. I have no shame in kicking another man’s ass…and I have no shame in getting my ass kicked. Because if I got my ass kicked, it’s my own damn fault for not knowing how to fight.

[joetechParticipant]

The first post I made as a participant in introductions was a comical boat ad. I didn’t know any better, and it was obvious that I hadn’t noticed that there were categories. In ‘Recent Posts’ it’s easy for a newbie to miss. I quickly learned that with this diverse group of individuals and the attitude of the younger generation toward the older ones, you need a thick skin to stay here. That’s why most women hate this site. I also learned that on an internet forum where anonymity is the rule rather than the exception, people can get very paranoid very quickly. NFG doesn’t just apply to women for me. It applies to all of society, so I would suggest that you keep that in mind. Proceed at your own risk, and if someone gets p~~~ed off, so what? I’m just as entitled to be p~~~ed from time to time as anyone else here, and if you can’t keep your cool, just log off and go somewhere else. I come and go at will, and I post, rant, p~~~ people off, and sometimes actually contribute something worthwhile to the group. If a troll shows up, I rarely if ever respond. NFG. I don’t come here to punt, I enjoy the fellowship of like minded men, and ignore the ones who think I’m too reactive to certain things. Everyone here figures out how this forum works, and if an introduction is requested it’s up to the individual member to provide one or not. And if someone resorts to name calling, well, isn’t that just like people? Not everyone here is sane or rational all the time…and why should we be? It’s a mad,mad,mad,mad world, and this site is an offshoot of that world. Roll with the punches and get what you can from the experience.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

PistolPete wrote:

I disagree. Yes an introduction is always a good idea but is it always necessary? Restrictions are only rational and useful when they serve a constructive purpose. A restriction of any kind should be justified. What is the justification for the restriction you propose?

I myself (and others) have never actually done an intro—I’ve started several times but I’ve always been dissatisfied with how it reads. Its either too long, too short, too boring, etc. As a result it was some time before anyone took me seriously in the posts—and rightly so. OF course I never got “bashed” nor do I “bash” others for not doing so. We’re not here to bash anyone.

Maybe I’ll try my hand at an introduction again at some point. The idea behind the intro is to familiarize everyone with who you are and what you are about—that same thing can be done over time if one is patient.

Touche

[Anonymous 0]

Perhaps you should cut to the chase sweetheart, you are looking for a women only safe space section on the site?

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

joetech wrote:

The first post I made as a participant in introductions was a comical boat ad. I didn’t know any better, and it was obvious that I hadn’t noticed that there were categories. In ‘Recent Posts’ it’s easy for a newbie to miss. I quickly learned that with this diverse group of individuals and the attitude of the younger generation toward the older ones, you need a thick skin to stay here. That’s why most women hate this site. I also learned that on an internet forum where anonymity is the rule rather than the exception, people can get very paranoid very quickly. NFG doesn’t just apply to women for me. It applies to all of society, so I would suggest that you keep that in mind. Proceed at your own risk, and if someone gets p~~~ed off, so what? I’m just as entitled to be p~~~ed from time to time as anyone else here, and if you can’t keep your cool, just log off and go somewhere else. I come and go at will, and I post, rant, p~~~ people off, and sometimes actually contribute something worthwhile to the group. If a troll shows up, I rarely if ever respond. NFG. I don’t come here to punt, I enjoy the fellowship of like minded men, and ignore the ones who think I’m too reactive to certain things. Everyone here figures out how this forum works, and if an introduction is requested it’s up to the individual member to provide one or not. And if someone resorts to name calling, well, isn’t that just like people? Not everyone here is sane or rational all the time…and why should we be? It’s a mad,mad,mad,mad world, and this site is an offshoot of that world. Roll with the punches and get what you can from the experience.

Good advice

[Anonymous 54]

Handy Ray wrote:

you’d fold over like you want to go back into your momma’s womb.

When are you bitches ever gonna learn.

Men dont say s~~~ like this.

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

Anonymous wrote:

Personaly, I beleive being able to introduce one self is an important life skill.

If I had Sons I would lean on this heavily.

I was nervous when I did mine, but felt it was important.

I agree when it comes to meeting a man face to face. But since the internet is not face to face, there are certain rules that I believe, don’t apply. That’s just my opinion.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

WTF? It seems the forums DOES need an addition. In church there is a room set aside for the crying babies that is walled off from the rest of the church—so the parishioners are not disturbed by infantile outbursts, and get along with adult activities. Perhaps we need a crying room for the same reason.

Handy is obviously operating under a misconception. You see other men are not our enemies, even the manginas and white knights. We don’t need to kick anyone’s ass in reality or figuratively in order to provide some kind of validation. We’re all comfortable with who and what we are—evidently you are not and unfortunately the validation you seek is not going to be provided by anyone on this site. You will have to look for it elsewhere.

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

PistolPete wrote:

WTF? It seems the forums DOES need an addition. In church there is a room set aside for the crying babies that is walled off from the rest of the church—so the parishioners are not disturbed by infantile outbursts, and get along with adult activities. Perhpas we need a crying room for the same reason.

Handy is obviously operating under a misconception. You see other men are not our enemies, even the manginas and white knights. We don’t need to kick anyone’s ass in reality or figuratively in order to provide some kind of validation. We’re all comfortable with who and what we are—evidently you are not and unfortunately the validation you seek is not going to be provided by anyone on this site. You will have to look for it elsewhere.

Touche means I agree with your last post, kind sir. I’m not looking for validation but only trying to help. Apparently, Newbies not indroducing themselves has been a problem in the past. I only made a suggestion in rectifying that issue, only to be bashed down again. So, take the suggestion, or don’t take the suggestion. I don’t give a f~~~. I guess some guys like bashing on Newbies because it makes them feel like a bigger man. Personally, I don’t treat people any differently in person than I do online…simply because I know I can hold my own when it comes to getting my ass kicked. But dudes who are ass munches online but nice guys in the real world, really p~~~ me off.

[Anonymous 0]

Actually touché acknowledges your opponent scored a hit, not that you concede. I suspect you are using this because your go to tactic of using tears to trump logic will not fly here.

[TrapperParticipant 2912]

Handy Ray wrote:

I bet some of you guys are just big and mighty behind your keyboard there…but get you in a room with another man who wants to kick your ass…you’d fold over like you want to go back into your momma’s womb. I have no shame in kicking another man’s ass…and I have no shame in getting my ass kicked. Because if I got my ass kicked, it’s my own damn fault for not knowing how to fight.

You’re getting off topic.

I think it’s courtesy to make an intro.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The practice of pre-existing MGTOW forums was usually MAN-datory intros. When I first joined one of them, I made an intro. TWICE. I don’t know why or what I could have possibly said that put them off, but I was delighted to come across their forums which was the only online discussion place that appeared to be a perfect fit.

Not only was I not permitted to join, but I was also uncerimoniously banned from reading and visiting. They banned me – twice. I was gutted. But I was also not the only one – I learned later.

You JUST. DON’T. DO. THAT. You don’t arbitrarily close the door in a MGHOW’s face. It would be like telling a soldier he can’t have a drink of water. ( You will also notice the Introductions forum poster image is a man in the desert reaching for a drink of water. We picked that image for a reason. )

Then I got an idea. . . .
Why “join” when we can build our own?

This was one of the main inspirations for this place, and I decided there would be no mandatory intros. Of course EVERYONE told us it would never last a week with such an open concept. But guess what.

We don’t want “restrictions” at all. Why do you think our guidelines have almost nothing on them and haven’t needed to be modified with further restrictions since we opened nearly 3 years ago?

Doesn’t every man have enough “restrictions” already? Hasn’t he already had enough of being told what to do? He’s standing in the doorway already cuffed at the wrists and ankles. Imposing another “restriction” is grossly unreasonable and unnecessary.

So we created an honor system – which worked!
But women abused it.

Still, there are no mandatory intros because honorable men are willing and delighted to make them on their own accord. They are THRILLED to make them and need no prompting to do so. The introductions forum is a tome and testimony of men who roll up their sleeves and are delighted to express their delight and gratitude.

THAT’s who this place is for.

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Unless they choose to upgrade and approve themselves because they don’t want to wait , we make them participants when we can and when there is room. We are just not staffed around the clock and almost no members have ever kicked up a fuss.

They are very patient and makes us very proud to have this kind of men-ber here. They are the kind of man we created the site for. The kind that’s gracious. The “good man” who doesn’t kick the door down and understands that he’s a guest – which is damn near all of them.

THEY HAVE PROVEN – for nearly 3 years – there is no need for restrictions and it has only been proven to be a success model that works.

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You know you’re recent thread and how I talked about how “trust” works? We (the website ) don’t have a choice but to trust willingly and freely – until it is abused. The only other option is to NOT trust.

Trust is freely given – or not– until it is abused.
That is the website’s principal.

–>> but it does not need to be the others MEMBER’s principal.

They are not required nor under any obligation to give it away – or answer a survey that’s presented to them. So when you showed up with a “survey” and they prefer you build some kind of forums reputation first – or ask for an intro – you can expect a fair amount of apprehension from them.

It’s REASONABLE.

It’s UN-REASONABLE to expect them to jump all over it with enthusiasm until you have established yourself to a degree that they would be comfortable ( or even interested in ) answering it.

MGTOW are very aware:
It’s not the answers that drive us . . . .it’s the QUESTION.

So it’s not enough to just “answer”.
They want to know and understand where the QUESTION comes from.

A red-pill mindset doesn’t see an innocent question anymore. It hears something else which usually – almost always – has an alternative meaning and motive. That’s why I analyzed “trust” to such a degree.

A woman asks “so how do you feel about marriage”? A smart/red-pill man doesn’t just answer that because she asked. He knows what she’s really asking. That question can be deconstructed to the moon and back again in lengthy paragraphs.

It’s the MOTIVATION for the question that matters more than any answer he gives. Understanding that motivation is key in knowing what answer she’s gonna get.

“I don’t believe in divorce”.
“Is that a proposal? Where’s the ring?”.
“Marriage is for gays”.

Pick one. All different and superior answers than the answer she was expecting. Because we know where the question comes from.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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