Never.have.kids.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids. Dont play the game. We already have enough disgraceful parents on this planet. Kids will bring a man to ruin.

Don't care

[Mr.BlueParticipant 614]

This is a hard one for me. At my current age I still have no desire for kids but I might want 1(only one) at some point. Surrogacy?

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6254]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids. Dont play the game. We already have enough disgraceful parents on this planet. Kids will bring a man to ruin.

The main reason why I choose not to have kids is because they will end up suffering A LOT in this screwed up world we live in. Competition in school is getting more and more fierce, finding a job is getting much harder, jobs are becoming more volatile, wages are not increasing enough, house prices are getting higher and higher etc.

Not to forget, overpopulation as well.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[DiogenesParticipant 373]

I have four sons. They are great. I wouldn’t change a thing about having them. They never were the problem. Their mother was.

[Johndom999Participant 376]

Surrogacy is the only way for me.

[The_Invisible_ManParticipant 105]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids.

It’s also a good path to emotional & $$$ Freedom.

I may as well be invisible!

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22564]

Either that, or shortly in the future, artificial wombs. No woman required at all, and it’s going to occur.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

I was at a recent 40th birthday party, and a ‘man’s table’ naturally evolved. There was a group of us that all knew each other, and we’re all aged between 36 and 38. There were 6 of us.

Only 2 were parents. Four of us, all aged 38, were not parents. The interesting thing is that there could have been 3 more of us there, but they were absent. Had they been there, that would have been 3 more childless men.

So to put that into perspective, there could potentially have been 9 of us between 36-38, 7 of which wouldn’t have had children. Think about that for a moment.

I think the trend is slowly gathering pace. This would not have been the case 50 or 100 years ago.

[Anonymous 42]

Never.have.kids.

I respectfully disagree.

[Anonymous 1]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids.

By your definition, every father in existence is a failure. That makes no sense. How can one even be a successful father by that standard?

Don’t get me wrong, I think the world’s overpopulated and people should stop f~~~ing. That’s my opinion though, and I wouldn’t tell somebody that they were wrong because they didn’t see the light before they made a specific life choice that resulted in the creation of a life. I think your argument has validity (for reasons you ignored), but not for the faulty reasons you use to justify your argument (e.g., by default, you’re a bad father because you conceived a child).

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

Anonymous wrote:

By your definition, every father in existence is a failure.

show me one perfect father lol

Don't care

[OldschoolParticipant 2481]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids. Dont play the game. We already have enough disgraceful parents on this planet. Kids will bring a man to ruin.

Yeah, pretty much from my perspective you can f~~~ off.

Get a vasectomy.

[Silent NoiseParticipant 211]

I want kids, but only if I can get the artificial womb. 23 now but have $37,500.00 in stocks, and saving 80% of my paycheque.

By the time I have 500k, hopefully the artificial womb will be available abroad. Won’t spend any more than $100k on it. Going to raise an ubersmench.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

Onetruemisfit wrote:

The only way to not be a fialure as a parent is to never have kids. Dont play the game. We already have enough disgraceful parents on this planet. Kids will bring a man to ruin.

The main reason why I choose not to have kids is because they will end up suffering A LOT in this screwed up world we live in. Competition in school is getting more and more fierce, finding a job is getting much harder, jobs are becoming more volatile, wages are not increasing enough, house prices are getting higher and higher etc.

Not to forget, overpopulation as well.

Exactly brother ! C~~~s just want to have kids to fulfill their narcissistic needs of a mini image of herself who will be proud and follow her slutty steps.

Kids are a serious thing, by hard, almost everyone that I know would never be a good parent, but there are exceptions. But before putting a life in this world, to suffer like s~~~, at least, be prepared to give it a good start, because we all know all the s~~~ that this kid will have to endure trying to survive out there.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

There are some decent fathers. I was just joking but what I meant was that you can’t be labeled as a bad father if you never have kids to begin with.

Don't care

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Honestly, having a kid needs to be approached with a lot of serious thought and contemplation. If you can barely handle your life don’t be a f~~~ing idiot and create a kid because you think it’s a cool accessory.

[Anonymous 43]

20% gross pay for one child
28% gross for 2 kids
35% for 3
40% or 4
50% for 5 kids

or, buy some random person a car
never see that person or car again
make all the payments
never get a thank you.

[HermitParticipant 1121]

Vasectomy seven years ago. No kids. No regrets. The main reason I never had kids was my generally pessimistic view of life. I just couldn’t subject a new life to this abattoir of a world we live in. That was my personal decision.

I don't hate women. I just feel better when they're not around.

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

Hermit wrote:

Vasectomy seven years ago. No kids. No regrets. The main reason I never had kids was my generally pessimistic view of life. I just couldn’t subject a new life to this abattoir of a world we live in. That was my personal decision.

I hear you brother. I wouldn’t want to burden another by forcing them to live the brutal rat race of a pained life in a thieving and rigged system under the threat of nuclear annihilation.

The world has enough worker consumer wage slave drones. It doesn’t need a couple more.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Hitman and I were talking about this on zoom chat over the weekend. He has an 8yr old daughter that he loves very much and has worked hard to instill good values into. I don’t think he would trade it for anything. I mentioned the meat of the material in the post I made a while back where I broke down a good portion of the expenses of raising a child which was something in the grand scheme of things, he – like many fathers didn’t take into initial consideration. And that much of what he will spend has yet to come.

Understandably so. Most fathers don’t take into account that stuff. Just like most fathers don’t ever end up sitting down and totaling up what they’ve spent over the span of 2 decades on their kids. That doesn’t make anyone who has kids, or wants to have kids bad fathers or mean that they deserve shame for doing so.

In the end, the main point I illustrated to Hitman was, having a child is as much about your “family linage” as it is an investment. You, as a parent (and while you may love your child and cherish memories with them – that’s not in question) are investing in the future of a being that you brought into this world. You’re investing in every facet of their life with no idea if that investment will pay off.

Under normal blue pill thinking, we expect our children to get a meaningful education outside of high school in a field that will make them at the very least financially stable. We hope as parents that they’ll make wise career choices when deciding to go to college. That they will land a quality job, find a woman, settle down, and continue the process. But the reality is, you have no idea how that child’s life will play out. Even into adulthood.

You have no idea if the son or daughter you raised will flunk out or drop out of college. Or will end up spending the rest of their lives chasing drugs, or a gambling addiction, or end up homeless on the street. You don’t know if one day a drunk driver is going to clip them on the sidewalk and make them paralyzed and dependent on you for the rest of their life. If a divorce occurs, you have no idea how the child situation will play out. Will you get to see your child? Will the mother work to poison the mind of the child and turn it against its father? A couple hundred years ago, this was an easy decision, with far less to consider, and far less risks.

Some people will make that choice. Like many, I understand it, and respect it. But for me, having analyzed the pros and cons, and seen how my own life unfolded, I could never do it. But in the end, that’s me, and that’s just my opinion and my belief. I’m never going to tell a man he can’t, or shouldn’t be a father. Because men who are fathers remember what it was like the day they held their newborn son or daughter in their arms and looked into their eyes. You don’t forget those memories. I would only simply advise men on the economical and practical costs, but in the end, it’s up to the man to make the choice for himself.

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