Never, ever get involved with a single mother.

[narwhalParticipant]

There is little difference between dating a single mother and dating a woman who has no kids…until you let the kids get involved. If you’re dating women over 30, the majority of them are going to have kids. Since that’s my typical dating range, the majority of the women I date are mom’s. In the 6 or so years since my divorce, I’ve never met anyone’s kids, even after dating someone for 6 months.

Even if you were looking to eventually marry the woman, there are plenty of reasons not to meet her kids, other then financial.

– kids get attached, and if/when you break up with her, they may feel it was because of them or something like that. No reason for a kid to deal with that.
– You may grow attached to the kids, not reason to deal with losing them to. And you don’t want to stay with her just because of her kids
– You and her would need time to develop a relationship without kids. There would need to be an ‘us’ before there’s an ‘all of us’.
– She needs to evaluate you without concern for how it would effect your kids.

A single mother is usually so toxic that the biological father of those kids would rather not be involved with what are equally his kids than deal with her. Or he’s not able to be involved because the mother wanted all of the father’s money so she could **** men with higher social status.

I’d want to see some stats on that before I could agree with you. From my experience, most father’s find a way to be there for their kids. And most women, though still AWALT, find a way to be civil with Dad. I can only think of 2 cases I personally know of where the father was not heavily involved in their kids life, and it was not due to money or mom’s behavior, but because they chose to live in a different city for various reasons.

Ok. Then do it.

[experiencedParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Widows – Being 64 y.o. and widowed myself, I happen to know something about that:
Nothing has changed. She will still see you as a resource.
All her girlfriends will tell her not to stay single for too
long because she will lose her edge.
A surprising number of them have the attitude of “thank
goodness it’s over. Now I can screw whoever I want.”
Enough of that.

The original topic by Truthseeker82:
I have noticed a new phenomenon, the single grandmother.
In dating profiles it comes across as “My grandchildren are
important to me” or “my grandchildren live with me” or ” I
babysit my grandchildren while her parents work” all of which
tells me I am third class.
She wants to have a man around to take her out but will drone
on about HER kids and grands.
She will look for ways to put you down or make you feel guilty
for not feeling the same way as her.
The attitude of “I can do anything a man can do” is still there
and she will look for ways to trap you into saying something
she can s~~~ test you on.
Remember this: No matter what her circumstances are, she will still see you as a resource and a utility. Best to just stay away. The sex is not worth risking g your retirement for.
Enough said for now.

Saw exactly what you’re describing a few days ago.
Hypocritical Serial Financial Rapists.
They assume men have no insight whatsoever.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[GrumpyParticipant]

If I get the sudden urge to spend my hard earned cash and time.
I will rebuild an automobile, motorcycle, do home renos, or something else that benefits me, or I can sell when I’m done with it.
I wont waste it on a pre-made family that I will never really be a part of.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Grumpy wrote:

I wont waste it on a pre-made family that I will never really be a part of.

Seriously. If I wanted to spend money on a woman or have any responsibility at all for a kid I’d find a childless woman and have my own kid or adopt, not take some care of some irresponsible tramp who either did a fail job at picking a baby daddy, or found a decent guy but was too much of a c~~~ to keep him around. If I was rating women 1-10, having a kid is an automatic -11 for them.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

I spend my late teens to my mid 20’s pumping and dumping a ton of Single Mothers. Easiest to get too, you didn’t have to be a PUA to get one. When I was in High School they where “older women” to some extent.

But, I always had at least three condoms on me at all times. It was a habit hammered into my head by my father and cousin. Looking back and knowing now how many men get sperm jacked, I know why they did. They seemed to have no problem with me not wanting to be a “father” for their kids since I was almost always younger.

By the time I was 26, they suddenly seemed to want to “settle down”. Not wanting to be “Daddy 2.0” was a deal breaker. The only “single mothers” I was ending up with where wall or post wall, late 30’s to early 50’s.

I didn’t mind then because I was not spending money on drinks, movies, dinner and all that insanity. A lot of them got a thrill out of a “younger man” tapping them instead of someone closer to their own age. Some saw me as a “bad boy” because of the long hair and being into Heavy Metal.

I got NSA sex and they got the feeling they still “had it” and where beating the wall. Of course, The Wall always wins.

It was in my 30’s that it started to change. Maybe they got more toxic, the situation of me being over 30, could be I was seeing it more or even a mixture of the three. Be that as it may, as soon as a single mom understood I was not going to get married or take care of kids she backed off in a flash. I learned to stop wasting time on them.

Some seemed so transparent in their intentions at entrapment that I felt my intelligence was insulted. It was obvious they where looking for “Daddy 2.0” and nothing else.

I now avoid single mothers with young children. I thought it could be bad, but I never realized it was this bad until listening to Lykis or reading things here. The “single mothers” I see now have children in their mid to late teens or are adults.

I always got red flags when young single mothers would approach me when I hit my 40’s….

Now I know why ! @rebalanced posted things I have seen before and I got a lot of insight from it.

@truthseeker82 Am I just lucky ?

This is an interesting thread !

Frank V.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

True words of wisdom!

I once had a friend set me up on a blind date with a SM, after I found out she had not one, but three kids, I told her I needed to use the restroom and dug the f~~~ outta there.

Oh, and the “friend” that set me up with her?, became an “Acquaintance”.

Do yourself a favor gents!, Stay far away from a Single Mother!.

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

Truthseeker82 wrote:

They know all the tricks. They will treat you like gold, put out five times a day if necessary, blind you with affection until you are trapped. Then its game over.

Hah…yes very sad but true. I got involved with one that f~~~ed me life over for about a year straight with the insane emotionality of it.

BROTHERS REMEMBER SINGLE MOMS ARE THE EPITOME OF PRAGMATIC SELFISHNESS AT A LEVEL MOST MEN CAN’T UNDERSTAND.

[AlacParticipant 18]

I made the same mistake. Hell, I even have a kid with her. Now, she’s on the other side of the country, not even bothering with her other kids’ dad, and taking every dime I earn, so I can’t even survive, mush less go and visit my daughter. Horrible, horrible decision. Guys, if you know she’s a single mom, you have physical evidence that she has experience screwing a man out of everything he has or will ever have. Don’t fall for anything she tells you because I promise you, it’s a trap.

My philosophy on women: You can talk to, argue with, or even attempt to reason with a brick wall. But at the end of the day, it's just gonna go ahead and keep on being a brick wall. So you can either continue wasting your energy, talking to something that ain't even listening to you, or you can save your breath, stop wasting your damn time, and just bounce the occasional ball off it.

[kbbroilerParticipant 886]

I think one thing to add also on why not to date single mothers is because if in chance you develop a relationship with the woman and it goes south you could be liable for child support by the courts.

This is the main reason why I would not date a single mother. This is a factor where I live in Canada and I know parts of the US it is like that.

Think about it. You don’t know what could happen your ex could get hit by a bus and can’t work anymore and the biological father is not in the picture. The court system will go after the next guy in line and they don’t care. They just don’t want to have the government pay for this.

I think guys have to remember this fact especially. With me, I have a vasectomy and I still would not have a relationship with a single mother. You’re asking for trouble financially.

No piece of ass is worth signing a check for another man’s child/children period.

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