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Get calm and stay calm OP. If you lost your job it’s not the end of the world. Search for something else. HR departments as we all know, are the scum of the earth. Just keep an eagles eye out for a new job opening, and in the future avoid these kinds of situations. I’ve lost a few jobs myself. Never a good feeling, but you’ll be fine trust me.
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Move south.Florida has not been the south since the early 60’s except in the Panhandle.Get out of SJW tax state.You don’t make as much but you do not need heavy clothes or heating bills.Tennessee is a good place.Crazy women women looking for mew victim are everywhere.
Leave UpChuck Schumer and the sanctuary state behind.Get to know every one slowly.people are showing you what they want you to see.Be happy as life is short and time is a wasting.My days in NYC are certainly numbered. Taxes here are indeed insane, winters are brutal and summers are pretty hot.
Things were much more diverse here 11 years ago. But this SJW progressive movement has made things real bad for anyone who isn’t afraid to show their masculinity. It’s literally about witch hunt, but they don’t let you know you’re a target until it’s too late.
This may sound paranoid but understand this is why guys like us avoid social media like the plague. I’ve been persecuted on Facebook and youtube for my conservative opinions, and now this.
The environment here is toxic to say the least. Trump supporters will never let on that they support him. I didn’t give a f~~~ and continue to pay for it. These antifa f~~~s, feminist supporters… It’s literally crawling with them here in NYC.
I’ll be bowing out soon, but not before I settle the s~~~ I have to take care of here.
My 2 cents…
Honesty is ok, but you have to provide the minimum level of provable honesty.
My response to the HR would have been short.
You helped them out with the issue they came in with (provable through company records.)
They invited you to hang out with with them at their hotel room AFTER your shift was over (provable through hotel security.)
You hung out for a while, then left (again, hotel security.)The rest of the details that went on are none of their business.
As for talking to the unemployment office, just tell them you are on administrative leave pending resolution of a union grievance. Nothing else. If your company says anything else that doesn’t match that it opens them up to potential liability and all HR people know that.
Usually if someone calls up one of your former employers to confirm details on your past employment they pretty much can’t say anything but the dates you worked there and your job title. Unless you actually where found guilty of something in court. Which isn’t going to happen here.
This makes me want to visit New York even less.
Too much scumf~~~ery occurs in places like New York.
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My 2 cents…
Honesty is ok, but you have to provide the minimum level of provable honesty.
My response to the HR would have been short.
You helped them out with the issue they came in with (provable through company records.)
They invited you to hang out with with them at their hotel room AFTER your shift was over (provable through hotel security.)
You hung out for a while, then left (again, hotel security.)The rest of the details that went on are none of their business.
As for talking to the unemployment office, just tell them you are on administrative leave pending resolution of a union grievance. Nothing else. If your company says anything else that doesn’t match that it opens them up to potential liability and all HR people know that.
Usually if someone calls up one of your former employers to confirm details on your past employment they pretty much can’t say anything but the dates you worked there and your job title. Unless you actually where found guilty of something in court. Which isn’t going to happen here.
This. Had I kept my mouth shut none of this would be happening right now. I don’t know the law or what my rights are, and my union rep just sat there and did nothing which I’m assuming he didn’t know much either, or else he wouldn’t have let mean keep talking to HR and explaining to them what happened
I’m currently calling around to law firms, waiting back to hear from (left messages to most them),looking to sue the customer for defamation of character
Your first mistake was to go out with clients; don’t s~~~ were you eat.
Your second mistake was to lend your phone to somebody else. Who the f~~~ doesn’t have a phone these days?
Third mistake, you opened your mouth. You should have said nothing, and waited for them to present evidence you could fight.
So, you’re looking for a new job. Best of luck to you.
"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain
I’m confused. You realize that hanging out with customers/strangers in a hotel room is risky, but feel you were cheated because this one time, it turned out poorly? That’s the definition of risky. You are going to lose sometimes.
As far as being fired, I’ll be honest. I would fire you as well. I understand that you were not at work, but whether you like it or not, you were representing your company at that hotel room. The fact that you were not on the clock is irrelevant. The customer that’s asking for you to be fired can probably convince other customers to avoid your company as well. There isn’t really a good way for your company to look good in this, except to fire you. It doesn’t really matter whether you are fault or not.
That said, I certainly think you are due your pay and whatever typical severance they give. And trying to get your job back, just so you can quit, kind of seems like a waste of time. I would just plan on having tell your next employer and clean version of the story if you have to. I’m not suggesting you lie, but more that you were naïve, made a mistake, and have learn your lesson.
Ok. Then do it.
have you not heard the expression about s~~~ting where you work? Say if I end work at the office at 5, that doesn’t mean I’m down with hanging out with some dude that shows up in my building for some strippers and blow.
your days with that company is over. even if your union is able to reinstate you, your company will be looking for any reason to fire you again. employment is at-will, so if they can come up with any excuse like not needing as many employees, you’re first to go.
Make sure your side of the case is as strong as you can, then you and your union should see about settling the case for a cash payment. Even if it’s only like $5k or whatever, you’re still better off than battling to the bitter end. And the company wont want to deal with potential liability and PR blackeye either, so they should be motivated towards settling. The terms of the settlement is going to be something like – you agree to walk away forever, neither side admits fault, you are not allowed to disclose the terms of the settlement to anyone or come back with any claim against the company in the future.
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
Yeah, it was definitely dumb. I get that. I’m already making moves to move on, but the union will still be going through with the entire process. They’re in stage 3 right now. Again, my f~~~ up was telling them (HR) exactly what I did. As Eek stated I should have told them that I did go to where he was (hotel room, which they can see in the security cameras if they need to) and left, and that the rest was none of their business. I didn’t have to tell them anything else but now that I did they are doubling down any way they can to say that what I did was immoral? Letting someone use your phone to make calls (that ended up being to escort services) is now a crime apparently (I take it had HR figured out a way to get my opinion on women and I told them how I felt that women are all c~~~s, they’d also say that I was unfit to the work there).
This is why unions exist though, to fight like hell for when you do dumb s~~~ like this. Nothing happened minus the guy trying to accuse me and get me fired. And me thinking that I could level with them and be honest is what is causing me all this headache.
I’ve literally learned my lesson with this. Regardless of whether I get any severance or even my job back, I now know…don’t talk to anyone without a lawyer present. Just keep your mouth shut even though you’re innocent. Or else they’ll figure out a way to twist what you told them to make you look guilty. Either way they only care about making themselves look good. The union will try, but from what I’m reading online (reddit etc.) its an uphill battle all around…and I only have myself to blame for this.
I’ll never forget this lol. I do have things to be thankful for though. I never got married, never had kids that could be used against me; I’ve still got my health (best shape I’ve ever been in). My record is clean (unless they ever pass a law stating that someones word can be used against you in a court of law…. but that just may happen soon with how s~~~ty things are getting with SJW’s REEEEEEing about every little thing) and I’m not tied down to any particular area. I can pick up and move if I need to, which once March comes around, I may just do that.
If anything, at least you guys got some popcorn drama out of it and can learn from this blunder. I’ll def post an update once it’s all said and done with the outcome.
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I think it’ll really depend on how good your union is (or isn’t)Regarding the phone call thing, the union could push the angle of “are no hotel guests allowed to use the phone?” If so, what makes this case different from other cases? If a hotel guest makes a bomb threat from the phone, is the reception liable?
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
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I think it’ll really depend on how good your union is (or isn’t)Regarding the phone call thing, the union could push the angle of “are no hotel guests allowed to use the phone?” If so, what makes this case different from other cases? If a hotel guest makes a bomb threat from the phone, is the reception liable?
Oh definitely, I’m hoping they use the argument that there is zero evidence besides what I told them, The customer never filed a police report because he’s lying, and all this happened in his hotel room away from work. So why do they get to play judge and jury? They already get to control our bodies via drug tests. But now they get to control whether or not we hang out with customers outside of work, or they get to judge us negatively for doing so? The employee handbook says no such thing.
But they’re trying to say the fact that my phone was used to call escorts makes me guilty by proxy. My union is arguing that that isn’t the case at all. No police were involved but HR is trying to act like something illegal was committed. I left the hotel room long after and have no idea what the customer did afterwards. He claims I stole checks, and I sure as hell don’t have them.
Without due process what else do we have? Throwing chicken bones on the ground? Oracle of Delphi?
hes either trying to throw you and the hotel off with an attack, similar to how sjws shame people to misdirect OR there are actually faked checks in play, just that the check owner didn’t notice yet and file a police report.
I honestly think the settlement route is what you should pursue now. Even if they offer to reinstate you, you are not comfortable with the situation and the wrongful termination, therefore wish for fair compensation. If they rehire, witch hunt you, then fire you for cause, you will not be eligible for unemployment, and in a worse off situation.
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
hes either trying to throw you and the hotel off with an attack, similar to how sjws shame people to misdirect OR there are actually faked checks in play, just that the check owner didn’t notice yet and file a police report.
I honestly think the settlement route is what you should pursue now. Even if they offer to reinstate you, you are not comfortable with the situation and the wrongful termination, therefore wish for fair compensation. If they rehire, witch hunt you, then fire you for cause, you will not be eligible for unemployment, and in a worse off situation.
Yeah, when I was calling lawyers yesterday to fish about getting representation about this most of them were like “nah, I’m good” or they just kept saying to let the union deal with it (apparently the union will appoint legal counsel if this goes past arbitration). So I’m just gonna apply for unemployment (which will take another two weeks to go through), sit back, and let the union do their thing. When everything gets exhausted (this whole process could take another two more months) then I’ll move forward and see about legal council. But I will check with the EEOC as well to see what they say about this (it’s a 50/50 chance they’ll also say to just let my union do their thing).
Either way I’m still looking for work as we speak and trying to stay optimistic about all this. It is amazing how people are quick to judge when you tell them things that involve hotel rooms and escorts. Gossip and drama no matter how big a city you live in is what people seem to gravitate towards. That small town mentality is ingrained in our brains, especially among women, and this company’s HR division (all women btw) was def at the forefront of blowing that part of the story out of proportion, since nothing came of it.
Sure, my job title is expendable just like most low level jobs in any field. Most employers hate unions because of s~~~ like this. Worker protection. They only care about things running smoothly and profit margins, keeping costs/wages low etc. I’m a number to them in terms of quarterly earnings and the sooner they get rid of me the sooner they can keep it moving. The union process ruins all that for them and it puts a face and name to each employee number. Being on this side of things, I now know why unions are important.
Most people posting on here have never been in a union or don’t live in a state that supports unions, hence the “I’d fire you too if you did something like this” comments. They only see it from the Business owner perspective. Again, I already apologized to them for doing something this dumb, but apparently, even though no crime was committed, it was enough for me to be labeled a “criminal” in their eyes.
They played me and got me to admit to things in my story that placed all the fault in my hands. Reputation is everything in my line of work so I take this s~~~ serious. I stole nothing from this guy , but just because he came to my work and demanded I be fired should just give them the benefit of doubt, which to me is bulls~~~. #Metoo is based on this very thing and women are getting away with murder by using it on men. Cucks and simps (as I now know) won’t hesitate to do this as well.
And everyone who claims that they’d never do something like this so we shouldn’t have rights (innocent until proven guilty) is a hypocrite who should just hand all their guns over to the government right now.
i was a shop steward for a while, now I’m management, so i’ve been on both sides of the fence, so to speak.
workers are disposable, even in today’s day and age. in the old days, before unions fought for worker rights that everyone enjoys today, it was much worse. work more dangerous, no ot laws, long hours, child labor, etc etc. Historically, I believe hotel workers unionized because they were notorious for extremely long work hours, very low pay, and poor working conditions.
part of the problem nowadays is that many of the situations that legitimately called for union help are now non-existent. Instead what you have is 9/10 of grievance claims that aren’t legitimate, and it’s actually the entitled employees that’s causing problems. You give entitled c~~~s a little bit of power, and they become very arrogant. They start acting like work is a beta bucks or orbiter relationship or something. So you have the union wasting time and resources on these employees, and also giving the union a bad name with the company and everyone else protecting garbage employees.
As a result of this, at least you’ll learn a valuable life lesson. And you’ll learn what the union can do for you if wrongfully terminated that you won’t be able to do on your own unless forking up a lot of money on lawyers up front. And it’s good that you’re being proactive and looking for work and filed for employment instead of being hung up over the situation.
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
I was still under the guise that honesty is the best policy.
You must be in your 20s.
My union rep at the time f~~~ed up in not even telling me to keep my mouth shut.
Manager is there to protect the corporation.
Union is there to protect the union bosses. Unions are MAFIAS. what, did you think the mafia actually calls itself a “mafia”?
The only reason I want back in is to collect the lost wages I’m owed.
Let it go. Sever all ties. Drop it completely. Believe me, the money you’re fighting for is a very small amount, and anyway, they know they can keep it because it will cost you more to collect. Set your sights higher and move on.
I was thinking they were going to drug and rape you.
Seriously, going home with Strangers?
That was my first thought too, Grasshopper.
I never got any vibe from the guy that he was going to pull this s~~~ on me.
Hmm… Let’s see…
1.
a customer comes in and starts tipping me real well.
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They invite me to their hotel where they’re staying,
3.
the main guy with all the money uses my phone
4.
His credit card fails
5.
he spends time calling his bank
As far as being fired, I’ll be honest. I would fire you as well. I understand that you were not at work, but whether you like it or not, you were representing your company at that hotel room. The fact that you were not on the clock is irrelevant.
I’m with Narwhal.
Also with BS. Unions are irrelevant these days.
I was still under the guise that honesty is the best policy.
You must be in your 20s.
My union rep at the time f~~~ed up in not even telling me to keep my mouth shut.
Manager is there to protect the corporation.
Union is there to protect the union bosses. Unions are MAFIAS. what, did you think the mafia actually calls itself a “mafia”?
The only reason I want back in is to collect the lost wages I’m owed.
Let it go. Sever all ties. Drop it completely. Believe me, the money you’re fighting for is a very small amount, and anyway, they know they can keep it because it will cost you more to collect. Set your sights higher and move on.
I was thinking they were going to drug and rape you.
Seriously, going home with Strangers?
That was my first thought too, Grasshopper.
I never got any vibe from the guy that he was going to pull this s~~~ on me.
Hmm… Let’s see…
1.
a customer comes in and starts tipping me real well.
2.
They invite me to their hotel where they’re staying,
3.
the main guy with all the money uses my phone
4.
His credit card fails
5.
he spends time calling his bank
I don’t agree with that. Having to represent your job 24/7 because they sign to your checks. I let them know what happened in that hotel room that that customer used my phone for. The only thing I did wrong was tell them the truth.
You better believe I’m not going to say anything to anyone should I ever fall into this predicament again.
But wow, who else thinks anyone who pays you owns you both on and off the clock? I’m not surprised by how many men losing their jobs over false claims. Even dudes in the comments here would get rid of employees over things that can’t even be proven.
But wow, who else thinks anyone who pays you owns you both on and off the clock?
Now you’re just being manipulative to other men on here. Nobody said the corporation “owns” you. You do “represent” your corporation, always, and you took advantage of them by trying to benefit from developing an outside relationship with one of their customers.
You’re changing words like a chick would do because you don’t like the reality, and even using that changed word to accuse.
No wonder your corporation fired you. You’re not honest. They didn’t fire you because they don’t believe you. They fired you because they do believe you. Understand that.
Learn your lesson and move on. Don’t bring trouble to yourself.
But wow, who else thinks anyone who pays you owns you both on and off the clock?
Now you’re just being manipulative to other men on here. Nobody said the corporation “owns” you. You do “represent” your corporation, always, and you took advantage of them by trying to benefit from developing an outside relationship with one of their customers.
You’re changing words like a chick would do because you don’t like the reality, and even using that changed word to accuse.
No wonder your corporation fired you. You’re not honest. They didn’t fire you because they don’t believe you. They fired you because they do believe you. Understand that.
Learn your lesson and move on. Don’t bring trouble to yourself.
I’ll respond to your comments because this is all experimental. I’ve already come to terms with what I did (went to party with some customers outside of work who turned out to have alterior motives for me ending in my getting terminated from my work, which the union is now fighting on my behalf).
I’ve already accepted this f~~~ up and know not to do this thing again (Lesson learned).
Now let’s get back to your comments. You saying “no wonder why they fired you” isn’t coming from a place of trying to lend a helping hand. You’re out for blood. I merely told you I disagree that a company getting to dictate how you act outside of work because they sign your checks is fascism.
You then try to come back and kick me when I’m already down while also trying to compare me to how a woman acts lol (to a mgtow this is the lowest of the low insult he can be given).
If I like blowing coke off of hooker’s dirty t~~~ when I’m not at work (I actually don’t, just using this as an example), but do a damn good job when I am at work, that’s none of my employers business what I do away from work.
Even if someone tries to come and snitch on me, my employer has no say in what I do no matter how much they don’t agree with how I use my time away from work.
Not sure why you want to come at me on this forum like that, but you sound could you use a hug lol. I did find your comments comical. Not really helpful, but pretty hilarious.
I def wouldn’t want to work for you and I have had bosses before who tried to micro manage my schedule outside of work when I wasn’t on the clock so I’ll let you guess how quickly I moved on from the those train wrecks. In a sense, this is probably a good sign that I should move on.
We’re just having a conversation here, but if the way you’re going to try and convince me why an employer has the right to dictate how someone spends their time outside of work (because it reflects on them) is to try and attack my character and say some s~~~ like “now I see why you were fired… Haha”….
Then I guess you are helping me see that there are two types of employers. Those who think they own you 24/7 on and off the clock and those who respect your privacy and have no judgment on what you do outside of work, so long as you do a good job while you’re at work.
I can treat you like I treat feminists and just say “thot be gone” but that’s the difference between men and women. You obviously don’t want to lend a a helping hand in this situation hence why you immediately went after my character. You used my coming clean and explaining myself to try and be little me even more than I’ve already belittled myself.
But I love trying to understand why people do things, their reactions to how to they respond usually mirror a certain aspect in their own lives. Maybe you’re not good at having a conversation in forums like this, not really my problem, but Thanks for the angry attack on my character response, it def gives me some perspective on the type of person you are (words like angry/bitter come to mind 😉
Let me just point out again just in case people who read this get the wrong idea.
I decided to share this story on here because I want to try and learn from it. Sure I get that it will leave me open to many insults and “how dumb could you be” type of attacks.
But one or two little tid bits if decent advice is all I need to say it was worth putting this out there for others to ridicule.
I’m not here to argue or bicker. I already know what I did was retarded and bone headed. But heres the thing. It wasn’t illegal. It also doesn’t reflect how I do my job when I’m actually on the job.
No matter how much these customers were trying to smear my reputation (in a way they succeeded at this particular job) and how much HR is also trying to double down on that as well, it still doesn’t reflect how good I was at this job.
They’re trying their damndest to say that it def will effect my job performance. But in reality they just don’t like what I did (they go to church on Sunday and I don’t so that’s a problem for them etc).
The union is there to argue that they have no right to terminate me simply because they found out that I went to go party with some random strangers on my own time.
According to some people on here the benefit of the doubt is good enough for an employer to terminate you (no proof is necessary, no police report… They only have to agree that it was illegal in their own minds… And that’s good enough).
This is what things like #metoo are based on. False accusations. For those who can’t see that and want to claim that this is different. Ask yourselves why you’re trying to go with that side of the argument.
We think that only women are trying to f~~~ with us. That’s how I got f~~~ed with. A simp who was a wolf in sheep’s clothing got me to lower my guard.
Hey, if anything you guys are learning from my suffering lol.
The best takeaways are: Never talk to anyone (security or HR) without a lawyer or union rep. Under no circumstances. They’ll try to get it out of you like they did with me. They’ll get you to let your guard down yet again to try and get you to explain, ie incriminate yourself. It’s a trap. (“yeah, well next time don’t put yourself in that situation blah blah blah”… Which brings me back to… Your employer doesn’t not own you 24/7 simply because they sign your checks…this is me standing my ground…it’s sad to see that sort of cuck thinking, simply because so many people are afraid of losing their jobs).
I’d be at work right now if I had just kept my mouth shut and said “lawyer” every time they ask me a question. I’ve learned how to say lawyer in ten different languages already. That s~~~ is more important than learning how to say “where’s the bathroom.”
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