My Talk with so called "Herbivore Men" from Japan.

[LurchParticipant 3882]

This herbivore man attack is quite amusing.

… and very passive aggressive IMHO.

The distinction I see between herbivore men and MGTOWs is one of action.

“Herbies” as I like to call them have pretty much given up and accepted their fate, that they will live alone. Whether it be TFL, lack of self-esteem or other psychological issues, they have resigned themselves to the fact that they will never get pussy, never marry so they just retreat from the pressures of society and bury themselves under jRPG’s, Anime/Manga comics and full body “hug” pillows.

MGTOW on the other hand an’t walking away quietly. Sure we want to live our own lives, but we want to give women the big fat before we leave. We want to show them the damage that feminism has done, rub their faces in their crazy cat lady litter boxes and walk away in the appropriate fashion…

Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

[Everything is all we’ve gotParticipant 233]

Anonymous wrote:

Japan’s expectations of men have certainly f~~~ed up that group over several generations. Work yourself to death, don’t you dare be the first one to arrive home to your wife and kids, and don’t draw attention to yourself are pretty commonplace rules among the legions of corporate slaves over there.

lol they have the highest average IQs in the world and a ridiculously stupid slave like work ethic. Then feminism rigs the economy and workplace to push men out, and suddenly we all have to pretend men are stupid and lazy. If it happens to the Japanese, it will happen everywhere, in many ways Japan is ahead of the curve of economic policy and feminism.

They started money printing before the Fed and had several lost generations, destroying their young. Their feminism is so insane that they were the first to have women only trains and even restaurants and streets. Their media, which I sort of still like and used to really like, so I’ve seen a lot of it, has been incredibly misandric and female supremacist for ages. And they manage to stick all of that under a veneer of typical female denial, insisting it’s a conservative patriarchy and that they’re not in fact blatantly rigging things in favor of their females.

In Japan men were expected to slave 100 hours a week for a crappy salary, then come home and turn all the money over to their wives, who MIGHT give them an allowance. My God that’s pathetic. Grown men getting an allowance from their housewives. And that is their culture!

I keep my eye on Japan because I figure if that place ever collapses it shows that this system can indeed collapse. Within 10 years of Japan collapsing, the US would follow suit. But it does seem like Japan can keep this thing going forever. They haven’t dialed back their misandry even the littlest bit yet. Abe admitted his garbage Abenomics policy failed, but it’s not like he stopped or admitted why it failed. Heck he only begrudgingly admitted it didn’t work, instead of admitting what a colossal failure it was and how badly he f~~~ed over his people. As a typical oligarch he of course doesn’t give a f~~~ about his people.

After Japan fails I’ll probably bugger off to somewhere in South America.

Thanks for the insight; I’ve been learning Japanese just over a month now with the intention to go to uni and teach English and already knew of men being made to work huge hours but not that misandry is commonplace.

Would you say I’d be effected to the point that it’s worth a second thought to teach there?

It feels like everywhere I turn something comes up to spoil the fun…

"You can suffer from a life experience, or you can learn, move on and thrive."

[RAT-7Participant 69]

May be a lot of blaming and what ? Have we to let women, through gender study monopol, pro vagina média, redefine what is masculinity and not complaining ?

I’m french (country with acute vagina delirium) , the new fashion here is that men MUST BE feminists . Here where we are : http://lhommefeministe.tumblr.com. Our future is being some sort of perfumed metrosexual with a banjo and a stroller. Men in france have no desire to compete for anything anymore and our economy in the same time is collapsing. Any relation with feminism ?

After that case http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/01/french-president-pardons-jacqueline-sauvage-over-killing-of-violent-husband french women asks now for criminal irresponsibility if they kill their husband and a deferred legitimate defense right (no need of an immediate danger). Licence to kill in the law may be in may 2016 ! Ouch !

Because i’m just a man i have to applaud ?

No way.

I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of a woman, nor ask a woman to live for mine.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I would just call myself single, but it isn’t good enough. I like being single and I want to stay that way. I am not ashamed of it and I think it would be great if more men would consider that option. I call myself a man going my own way because of this. It’s websites like this one that allow men like us to put our ideas out there so that other men can consider applying them to their own life. As long as society keeps telling men to “man up and marry those sluts”, places like this are necessary. It can be frustrating trying to passively be single in a world that tries to shame you for it, so the forum is a great place to vent and help remind you of why you decided to go your own way.

I also don’t care much for the angry side of the mgtow community anymore, but that’s okay. You don’t have to be a part of that if you don’t want to. Just participate in/read the threads that peak your interest and ignore the rest. We are raised to believe there is a precious soul mate unicorn out there for us, and learning that isn’t true and that misandry is understandably hard for some guys. They are going to be angry about it. If your 日本人 friend can’t sympathize with the injustice (think divorce rape) that some mgtow have had to go through, that’s too bad. Surely, unlike him, you can understand it.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

One thing I have noticed is that China’s economy is doing great. Also the government isn’t being over run with manginas or feminists. In fact the Chinese government reserved the decision so that men wouldn’t lose their house or other assets.

While the Canadian government sold whatever they had the Chinese Government continues to buy and mine gold.
In a society where it is dominated by the economy is doing so well that they don’t really have to worry about the economic collapse as western countries do.

Chinese men have 100 more b~~~~ than Japanese men do. That is clear.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I don’t like a term “single” because it reminds me of this

Call me semi-auto instead

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[AttonParticipant]

I’m away now, from the MGTOW and especially from my own Hardcore-MGTOW, I’m no longer a Part of this Movement of blaming and hating.

Hatred is natural considering the treatment of quite a few men that have come to this forum. There is no shame in it and it is not a bad thing. From hatred comes reason and if this forum can help men vent it should. However that is by far only a small part of what this forum is about. Advice is given and stories are shared regularly.

Guys be Single and live your lifes. Stay away from all of this, this ruins you and it’s not make you happy, you all MGTOWs, looks like a big “Hate-Sect”.

Prove it because at the moment MGTOW is doing a pretty good job, of not f~~~ing up men’s lives.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

lol I don’t give a f~~~ what this Japanese dude thinks. I’ve been all out of f~~~s since 2012. Seems they’ve been discontinued.

Edit: And BTW, the cops, the judges, rest of the court, the lawyers in divorce courts? Those are manginas, white knights, and the people oppressing men. The sure as hell need to be demonized.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Look,

you can leave what the herbivore man “told you” away.
You t~~~s always do the and say the same s~~~ over and over again(but then again we’re the cult..):

“you hate women
you’re gay
you’re losers
man up
you’re a cult
and now you have to prove to me that you aren’t.”

WE DON’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK.
We don’t have to prove to you,
or your disgusting sister harpies anything.

Go eat s~~~.
Franky

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

MGTOW is a philosophy, not a movement, it is like an idea, an inner calling, from which, you free yourself, your silly chains, and seek out your main goals in life, without sacrificing yourself for others.

A Mgtow doesn’t hate, because the opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference.

We simply do not care about your feelings, ladies.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Russky wrote:

Call me semi-auto instead

Goddamn MOTHERF~~~ER that’s a good one. Here I was just calling myself a ammosexual. Now I can proudly exclaim I’m a semi-auto ammosexual.

[InfernalShadowParticipant 377]

@bomwa

I’m sure preserving websites in the same way we preserve books is possible even now a days. As long as you have the money you can preserve any server with ease. Even an amature IT guy can do it. And when those servers get old and breakdown, you can just switch over all the information onto a brand new server.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

H-MGTOW Wir sprechen auch Deutsch und zufällig es is auch meine erste Sprache – als kind – aber Ich bin hier aufgewachsen. Ich habe auch Familie in Düsseldorf. Dien Deutsch is besser als mein English, aber das hat nichts damit zu tuen. Wir verstehen ohne Probleme.

H-MGTOW wrote:

blaming and hating.

There is no need to “blame” when there is such a thing as personal responsibility. Speaking about expecting women to accept personal responsibility is not “hating” them. They may hate being held accountable – but that’s not our problem or concern.

We don’t give a s~~~ what the “herbivores” have to say.
We will say what we need and wish to say right here.

This is MGTOW.COM not “herbivores dot com”.

Stop using the word “blame” and start using the term “personal responsibility”. Even men who come here and make introductions accept personal responsibility for s~~~ that wasn’t even their fault, or wrong doing.

NOBODY gets to have a problem with men who expect women (who want “respect”) to be held accountable. Being held accountable is the very foundation of “respect”.

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Let’s say you leave your iPad on the dash of your car.
And a thief smashes the window and steals it.

Do you blame the thief?
Or do you accept personal responsibility for leaving it on the dash?

A MAN says: “F~~~!!! How could I have been so stupid!!??”

A WOMAN doesn’t think any of it is her own fault. She doesn’t accept personal responsibility for that. But if she didn’t leave her iPad there, no theft would have taken place. The situation was almost entirely avoidable by her.

• The thief will pay for his mistake eventually when he gets caught.
• You will pay for your mistake by buying a new iPad.
• A woman will look for anyone to “blame” except herself.

See the difference? There is nothing “hateful” about that.
Stop talking about “blame”, and start using “personal responsibility”.

Who is RESPONSIBLE is what MGTOW are talking about here.
The word “blame” shouldn’t even be in the English language.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

H-MGTOW wrote:

Guys be Single and live your lifes.

That’s what I do while considering myself a MGHOW.

H-MGTOW wrote:

We are just Single Men in Japan and nothing more and nothing less, we dont need forums etc.
we have something better to do than to complain about the women.
We do not blaming Women and other Men, this is not Mature.
Everyone lives his life the way he wants.

That exactly accompanies my statement above.
Blaming women and men is really not classy, they have made a good point.
However even if I tend to not like married men and stupid c~~~s, I don’t make a deal about it. This is wasted time and is just making myself look like an asshole like the humans are.

H-MGTOW wrote:

MGTOW is right now “Male Feminism”

Some if not many MGTOWs make it look like that, I honestly can’t disagree.

They have generalized MGTOW and made that conclusion, even if essentially it suffices to NEVER marry to be considered a MGHOW, so basically the “herbivore men” are a little part of it but not “members” of us.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[Anonymous 54]

Mgtow is not about hate. But do i personaly feel anger? Well hell yea son!! Anger a women that abuse there hepless young sons. Anger at false rape alligations.Anger at three ex wives and all the other no good bitches that have passed thru my life. And most of all anger at all the little manginas and white nights that have allowed this world to become what it is. And and anger at snoddy ass little pukes like you that know nothing about life yet.I work hardto make myself apealling to women,so they will see what they have missed out on.!!

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

MGTOW right now is more a Movement of Haters, look you all blaming other Men, call them Manginas, White Knights etc.

No point in time did MGTOW ever become a movement. It is a philosophy.

You are a fraud and a pitful clown. Go back to your tumblr asylum!

[Anonymous 54]

My brain is senseing female right now……

[VarunParticipant 2981]

We there aren’t really ‘classes’ of MGTOWs; rather there are generalized ‘ways’ of ‘being single’ and each man can go his own way; whatever it may be.

I don’t think we have any problems with herbivore men; of course we have our differences and we don’t agree on many things; but our ‘principle’ of ife is ‘single’ -> to see the reality that the society is a wood-chipper; we’re the wood and our money is the saw-dust; and reject to be a part of it.

I don’t blame anybody or anyone; I think its wrong to cal all sorts of names to the Japanese… they chose their own way. I’m happy with that. I’ll be blind to the hatred from both side to each other because that’s the only sane thing to do.

As for you, if you think stopping to identify yourself as a mgtow because the label has gone ‘rogue’ wi help you, then please, with al due respect, do that. I’ll view it as a man who has chosen his own way. If you think the people who call themselves MGTOW are actually hardcore haters and not peace-lovers, then please refrain from being a MGTOW. I don’t think there is really a problem here. I’m pretty sure 98% of the people over here would have no ‘grudges’ against you for taking that decision; they won’t mind….and in the words of the other two percent, nobody’s gonna give a f~~~. I just hope you still live in the reality and do not go back inot the dream. I wish you all the best.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

Well that’s just one opinion from one herbivore. It doesn’t mean anything, and shows more about him than about MGTOW.

H-MGTOW wrote:

MGTOW right now is more a Movement of Haters, look you all blaming other Men, call them Manginas, White Knights etc. thats all not your Bussiness.
MGTOW startet as a Philosophy, now its a Movement, there the people talk about MGTOW City, Island etc. (Youtube)
Many MGTOW trying to making money with it, what are you MGTOWs etc.?

Asian cultures, especially the Japanese, have never managed to wrap their heads around the western idea of rugged individualism. They cannot conceive that one man in the west speaking his opinion speaks only for himself and doesn’t speak for all.

we have something better to do than to complain about the women.

This guy really doesn’t get it. He really doesn’t. It’s not “complaining”. It’s warning each other and strategizing. Someone (I wish remembered who) once said: “People who live in a minefield will spend a lot of time talking to each other about landmines.” Well that’s what it’s like over here. In Japan the herbivore movement is a response to female greed by men who simply don’t want to pay for it. Well over here MGTOW is a response to female greed but also female spite, female envy, female hate, female irresponsibility, female hypocrisy, and on and on.

How many men in Japan have to worry about false rape accusations? How many men in Japan have to worry about false paternity charges? All they have to worry about is letting a woman max out their credit cards. This herbivore putz needs to walk a mile in our boots before he has any cause to speak about Men Going Their Own Way.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

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