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@keymaster and all others MGTOWs
After a long conversation with so called “Herbivore Men” the Guys in Japan don’t like this name. They prefer Single Man or nothing.I came to the conclusion that I was fully wrong with what I said, and I’m Sorry for that.
What the guys from Japan said, has shaken me honestly awake.
They said shortly:
MGTOW right now is more a Movement of Haters, look you all blaming other Men, call them Manginas, White Knights etc. thats all not your Bussiness.
MGTOW startet as a Philosophy, now its a Movement, there the people talk about MGTOW City, Island etc. (Youtube)
Many MGTOW trying to making money with it, what are you MGTOWs etc.?We are just Single Men in Japan and nothing more and nothing less, we dont need forums etc.
we have something better to do than to complain about the women.
We do not blaming Women and other Men, this is not Adult.
Everyone lives his life the way he wants.For us you just look like little Children.
MGTOW is right now “Male Feminism” with no difference to the “Female Feminism”. Guys you are all “Singles”, why you need a special Name for it (MGTOW), forums, community etc.?
Are you so insecure with yourself?We have read many topics of the MGTOWhq, mgtow.com and others, facebook, youtube etc. and all what we found there, are just “Men blaming Men” things or “Men blaming Women” things. You look like Male Feminists and worser.
Hardcore-MGTOW (and I was a part of it) next step to extremism, than the
Hatecore-MGTOW movement that stands against all MGTOWs and against all that have anything to do with Women.
Ghost, Monk, Stealth, Phantom-MGTOW anykind of Levels? Are you in a Console Wolrd, where you have levels?
You like blaming others, but if someone says something to you, then you attack. This is not Adult, this is Stupid!What is next? Crime against Women, against other Men (White Knights, Manginas etc.) a MGTOW-Religion?
Guys be Single and live your lifes. Stay away from all of this, this ruins you and its not make you happy, you all MGTOWs, looks like a big “Hate-Sect”.
———————————————————-Well, I was completely blown away.
And quite honestly a bit embarrassed.And they are right I was not better, see the H-MGTOW next step to extremism, thats insane, I was insane. What I have wrote, blames other MGTOWs and other Men (Manginas, White Knights etc.
Since 2005 I lived as a Single no forums, no needs, lived my life. Never blamed anyone, not even women. Since 2013 i lived as a H_MGTOW till now. I started blaming MGTOWs, Men (Manginas, White Knights etc.), Women.
Thats not right, thats wrong, totally wrong!
I was wrong. And for that I apologize.I’m away now, from the MGTOW and especially from my own Hardcore-MGTOW, I’m no longer a Part of this Movement of blaming and hating.
“I’m just a “Single Man” and whats all, no more & no less.”
Think what ever you want about me, starting blaming me, when you want etc. Thats not my problemm.
And I’m sorry for my Bad English, I’m from Germany.
MGTOW isn’t a movement… It’s a REVOLUTION! I don’t mean to be so blunt with you, but I refuse to just sit back and let you, or anyone point their finger AT ME and not expect any retaliation. Real men don’t lock themselves in a room and let time erode them, as a PROUD MGTOW I will be the change I want to see in this world. And we all come here to support each other. Not bash, do you see me going into Jezebel forums to bash? FB? Any type of social media platform? This is OUR safe space and if you don’t like it you know where the door is brother.
Anonymous3This is rich.
So you’re the representative of MGTOW and you spoke to the Herbivore representative. Now the two of you have decided to pass judgment on all of us.
You don’t get to declare yourself a representative anymore than this random Japanese dude you found. In fact if I ever met the two of you, I’d take both your heads and slam them into each other for being so stupid and pretentious.
Anonymous25Mgtow isn’t a movement.
Mgtow is about making our needs a priority and what we want a priority. Living according to our own best interests.
If we talk about false rape allegations or female violence, that serves the purpose of finding ways to meet our needs to stay safe. We live in a corrupt gynocentric society, a police state. There has been plenty of evidence of state corruption against men posted on these forums. Why wouldn’t we talk about such issues and keep ourselves safe? That’s just common sense.
How is that not living our own lives, meeting our own needs and staying happy?
We might make fun of people like Wedgie Hates, but that is done with no malice. He will be better off for not getting married and I wish him all the best.
We just refuse to listen to women’s monologue and meet that with indifference.
The original post uses shaming language. Now who do we know what uses shaming language? … oh yeah women.
@h-mgtow – what’s the purpose of your post? To shame men? To stop men shaming each other and get them working together? Or what?
LOL I find it rather funny. I thought Asians are usually very intelligent. It appears this dude isn’t. Japan is different from the Western Countries. There are by far fewer men getting thrown under the bus with false rape, child abuse. Japanese men are less likely to have crazy sums of child support or alimony. The attack on Western men isn’t anything like Japanese men.
I’ve seen these herbivore men. Many of these dudes don’t go to work or go to school. They have completely given up on life. They live with their parents who support them. Seriously these are so passive they don’t create a forums to share ideas. You can tell the dude I have been going my own way for 30 years. Only since 2012 I have met other men going their own way.
We do not blaming Women and other Men, this is not Adult.
Is it adult to live off your parents until they die? Sure there are some herbivor men that work but the younger ones usually don’t.
I never blamed women or other men. These stupid people can’t understand English? LOL
I’m not mad I rather find it amusing. Pointing things out what people are doing isn’t blaming people. Men have tried to get women to see our views and they refused. If we don’t talk about issues with women and men what’s the point? YOU DUMB IDIOTS MGTOW IS about SAVING LIVES. Don’t you dumb idiot get it? Btw I’m Asian and I am tired of stupid dumb people including Asians who live off their parents.Seriously I think these herbivore men who live with their parents should be kicked out and make them get jobs and live their own lives. Stop leeching off your parents. I see Japanese men are that are weak. They act like women and talk like women.
Obviously a woman has to spell it out to the Japanese men.
this is what we have to put up with. We can’t even have a men’s issue’s conference without feminists attacking men phyically just to listen to someone talk about boys and men’s issues.
Wake the f~~~ up and open your eyes instead of criticizing men.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Anonymous5The Red Pill is just a realization. Anything more than that is a personal choice.
I think this guy off Reddit explained it well:
Here’s the deal: Women are not your enemy. They are not the other team. They are not against you. They are not trying to exploit you or manipulate you. They’re just out for themselves, same as you. Sometimes, being out for themselves is going to run contrary to what you want for yourself. Sometimes, your goals will align, at least a little bit, and it almost feels like you have a teammate. But you don’t. Because you want what you want and she wants what she wants. And if one of you sacrifices what you want that’s not going to make the other person necessarily do the same.
While women aren’t your enemy, they’re definitely not on your side either. They’re not your friends, they’re not your confidants, they’re not your safe havens, they’re not your respite. Not even your wife or girlfriend. She’s not on your side either.
You don’t need clever strategies, witty comebacks or escape plans, all those are just optional personal coping mechanisms.
Those who really understand the true nature of women are already 99% immune to gynocentric harm.I don’t think anyone who really understands the Red Pill blames anyone, men or women but it’s lots of fun pointing out their c~~~ery.
P.S. Japanese have a horror history of suffering in silence and not complaining or sharing personal feelings. That’s why their society is even more f~~~ed up than ours.
I believe a big part of the Hikikomori problem is caused by young men not being able to talk to anyone without losing face. Sound familiar?,,,Japan is one of the worst places on the planet to “Man Up”. It’s no wonder so many are opting out completely.
Forums are a great way to vent and share without gynocentric retribution. They should “Human Up” and give them a go.If you don’t like us, this website, and this forum, you can leave. There’s the door.
We don’t hate women. We use this forum and this website to reach out to other like minded men who are going their own way. If anything, I’m more indifferent to women at this point than anything. Do I find women annoying to be around? Yes. Do I hate them? Nope. I just want them to leave me the f~~~ alone. And women are so incapable to do that these days.
I love this website. It’s a great archive and a great resource for men. It helps us avoid the dangers of the bluepill world. If you can’t stand us or this website, you can get the f~~~ out.
To reiterate what’s been said, MGTOW is just a notion, an acronym to describe a phenomenon. That we come to an agreement on things as a group, such as saying no to marriage, is more because it’s a no-brainer, not because it’s some commandment you must follow.
If we are seeking male sovereignty and not being chained to the expectations society puts on us, then certain things are going to be avoided by default. Marriage is not in the best interest of a man who wants personal freedom. This isn’t some kind of group think where we all decided on a rule, it’s just a universal truth.
Not any different than if you decided to become financially responsible and stay out of debt along with other people, and you all came to the agreement that piling up credit card debt was not something that would let you achieve your goal.
People who bash MGTOW have no clue what the concept is about. They want to slap their own definition on it and go from there. All they can do is be smug and sarcastic, make their little jokes and display their ignorance for everyone to see.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.The Red Pill is just a realization. Anything more than that is a personal choice.
I think this guy off Reddit explained it well:
Here’s the deal: Women are not your enemy. They are not the other team. They are not against you. They are not trying to exploit you or manipulate you. They’re just out for themselves, same as you. Sometimes, being out for themselves is going to run contrary to what you want for yourself. Sometimes, your goals will align, at least a little bit, and it almost feels like you have a teammate. But you don’t. Because you want what you want and she wants what she wants. And if one of you sacrifices what you want that’s not going to make the other person necessarily do the same.
While women aren’t your enemy, they’re definitely not on your side either. They’re not your friends, they’re not your confidants, they’re not your safe havens, they’re not your respite. Not even your wife or girlfriend. She’s not on your side either.You don’t need clever strategies, witty comebacks or escape plans, all those are just optional personal coping mechanisms.
Those who really understand the true nature of women are already 99% immune to gynocentric harm.I don’t think anyone who really understands the Red Pill blames anyone, men or women but it’s lots of fun pointing out their c~~~ery.
P.S. Japanese have a horror history of suffering in silence and not complaining or sharing personal feelings. That’s why their society is even more f~~~ed up than ours.
I believe a big part of the Hikikomori problem is caused by young men not being able to talk to anyone without losing face. Sound familiar?,,,Japan is one of the worst places on the planet to “Man Up”. It’s no wonder so many are opting out completely.
Forums are a great way to vent and share without gynocentric retribution. They should “Human Up” and give them a go.Japan’s expectations of men have certainly f~~~ed up that group over several generations. Work yourself to death, don’t you dare be the first one to arrive home to your wife and kids, and don’t draw attention to yourself are pretty commonplace rules among the legions of corporate slaves over there.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Pretty funny s~~~. F~~~ off with it.
Same bulls~~~. While time doesn’t repeat itself, mindless sheep have no choice. A ton of accusations without any refutation of points. As Keymaster often says, it’s not enough to “go your own way” as you drive. You’ve got to be aware of other drivers, signs and lights, and sudden dangers as you do so.
Also, how many “guys” did you talk to? It sounds as if you spoke to a hive mind of a sort.
are you a chia pet in man drag
Anonymous3Japan’s expectations of men have certainly f~~~ed up that group over several generations. Work yourself to death, don’t you dare be the first one to arrive home to your wife and kids, and don’t draw attention to yourself are pretty commonplace rules among the legions of corporate slaves over there.
lol they have the highest average IQs in the world and a ridiculously stupid slave like work ethic. Then feminism rigs the economy and workplace to push men out, and suddenly we all have to pretend men are stupid and lazy. If it happens to the Japanese, it will happen everywhere, in many ways Japan is ahead of the curve of economic policy and feminism.
They started money printing before the Fed and had several lost generations, destroying their young. Their feminism is so insane that they were the first to have women only trains and even restaurants and streets. Their media, which I sort of still like and used to really like, so I’ve seen a lot of it, has been incredibly misandric and female supremacist for ages. And they manage to stick all of that under a veneer of typical female denial, insisting it’s a conservative patriarchy and that they’re not in fact blatantly rigging things in favor of their females.
In Japan men were expected to slave 100 hours a week for a crappy salary, then come home and turn all the money over to their wives, who MIGHT give them an allowance. My God that’s pathetic. Grown men getting an allowance from their housewives. And that is their culture!
I keep my eye on Japan because I figure if that place ever collapses it shows that this system can indeed collapse. Within 10 years of Japan collapsing, the US would follow suit. But it does seem like Japan can keep this thing going forever. They haven’t dialed back their misandry even the littlest bit yet. Abe admitted his garbage Abenomics policy failed, but it’s not like he stopped or admitted why it failed. Heck he only begrudgingly admitted it didn’t work, instead of admitting what a colossal failure it was and how badly he f~~~ed over his people. As a typical oligarch he of course doesn’t give a f~~~ about his people.
After Japan fails I’ll probably bugger off to somewhere in South America.
Yo H-MGTOW! The “H” stands for hardcore doesn’t it? I know you are young, as you have stated in an earlier post, so I will give you a youth pass on your comments. Read what the others have written, view the likes of their comments, and the lack thereof of your own. Peace.
The Warren Farrell-vid in our brother with the unpronouncable name’s post really p~~~es me off! The men are inside and just talking and a bunch of screeching harpies want to rush in and kill them all, goddamn! Respect to the police officers who kept calm and kept the peace!
"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K
Japan’s expectations of men have certainly f~~~ed up that group over several generations. Work yourself to death, don’t you dare be the first one to arrive home to your wife and kids, and don’t draw attention to yourself are pretty commonplace rules among the legions of corporate slaves over there.
lol they have the highest average IQs in the world and a ridiculously stupid slave like work ethic. Then feminism rigs the economy and workplace to push men out, and suddenly we all have to pretend men are stupid and lazy. If it happens to the Japanese, it will happen everywhere, in many ways Japan is ahead of the curve of economic policy and feminism.
They started money printing before the Fed and had several lost generations, destroying their young. Their feminism is so insane that they were the first to have women only trains and even restaurants and streets. Their media, which I sort of still like and used to really like, so I’ve seen a lot of it, has been incredibly misandric and female supremacist for ages. And they manage to stick all of that under a veneer of typical female denial, insisting it’s a conservative patriarchy and that they’re not in fact blatantly rigging things in favor of their females.
In Japan men were expected to slave 100 hours a week for a crappy salary, then come home and turn all the money over to their wives, who MIGHT give them an allowance. My God that’s pathetic. Grown men getting an allowance from their housewives. And that is their culture!
I keep my eye on Japan because I figure if that place ever collapses it shows that this system can indeed collapse. Within 10 years of Japan collapsing, the US would follow suit. But it does seem like Japan can keep this thing going forever. They haven’t dialed back their misandry even the littlest bit yet. Abe admitted his garbage Abenomics policy failed, but it’s not like he stopped or admitted why it failed. Heck he only begrudgingly admitted it didn’t work, instead of admitting what a colossal failure it was and how badly he f~~~ed over his people. As a typical oligarch he of course doesn’t give a f~~~ about his people.
After Japan fails I’ll probably bugger off to somewhere in South America.
When they have been conditioned to feel ashamed if they ever stray form the conformist norm It’s pretty easy to control them. They have an obsession with school, very competitive. In a way this can be beneficial, but it also reflects societal expectations and the consequences of not walking lock step with everyone else. They are also pretty exclusionary when it comes to outsiders.
As far as the feminism and home life, it’s very telling when all these corporate slaves go get s~~~-faced after work and often just sleep at a hotel and then go back to work. It’s like they have to show their obedience and then are allowed to actually enjoy themselves.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.I love this website. It’s a great archive and a great resource for men. It helps us avoid the dangers of the bluepill world. If you can’t stand us or this website, you can get the f~~~ out.
Exactly. I see the archive potential of this website as amazing. I read obscure philosophy that is little known and really enjoy it. I think one day men (and perhaps women) will trawl over the posts in this forum and treat it like a window into a lost world. We are leaving a literary canon behind for whomever stumbles across it into the future.
I just hope that websites are able to be preserved in the ways that physical books can be.
Yo H-MGTOW! The “H” stands for hardcore doesn’t it? I know you are young, as you have stated in an earlier post, so I will give you a youth pass on your comments. Read what the others have written, view the likes of their comments, and the lack thereof of your own. Peace.
Personally I wouldn’t give his youth as a pass. A long he’s is over 18 he shold have enough brains not to speak out like this. He could ask why the Japanese men think this way.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
H MGTOW you can have your one opinion.
An herbivore men in japan can have their one opinions as well.But trying to use SHAMING TACTICS on the mgtow forum is just to much of a mangina move.
if you dont like this forum GO AWAY.
Let the other mgtows talk and learn.
And i really doubt YOU TALKED TO ALL THE MGTOWS IN JAPAN.
So, confusing one opinion to the majority of opinions.
Another female trait.Are you a female infiltrator?
Kinda’ seems like you’re just blowing wherever the wind blows. One person retorts your stance and immediately you buckle.
Probably one good blowjob away from dropping any pretenses of going your own way.
Oh btw, I smell tuna.
"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K
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