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Hermit..
I hope you didn’t take my post as being harsh. I would never want any man or sons to experience big Red Pills. But, I’m hoping he has to swallow a smaller Red Pill now before making the mistake of marriage, divorce and child support along the way..
Hermit..
I hope you didn’t take my post as being harsh. I would never want any man or sons to experience big Red Pills. But, I’m hoping he has to swallow a smaller Red Pill now before making the mistake of marriage, divorce and child support along the way..
No sir, not at all, my friend. I even clicked on your star. I appreciate your comment. I don’t want him to go through anything rough, but it may be best for it to happen to him now and get it over with. Some of us need to get burned really bad in order to learn.
I didn’t take it harsh at all, but thanks for explaining anyway.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Well, it’s official. My son is almost on his way down the wrong road. I took him to the shooting range this weekend and we had a very good time blasting those steel targets. Then, he admitted that he can’t do stuff with me very often because of “his woman”.
He said he has spent a s~~~ load of money on a damn engagement ring. He admitted that he is being stupid, but still tried to convince me with all the bulls~~~ like, “We respect each other…..we have a lot in common…….maybe I’ve found a girl that isn’t like the rest……..”, I’ll not type any more as you have all heard the same s~~~ over and over. I politely listened and then threw an empty brass at him and told him that all of that s~~~ means nothing because she’s going to change.
I feel so bad for him. He’s only 23 and he thinks he’s “in love”. Even worse, she isn’t even 21 yet. She’s still a child and I told him that as she matures, she will become someone completely different. I’ve told him and told him, but I can’t control his life. He’s gotta’ do what he thinks he needs to do.
I asked him, “Why get married?”. I told him that it’s just a meaningless ritualistic ceremony that means nothing, but will legally bind him to this girl. He said he tried to tell her the same thing, but of course, her being a female, insists on getting married. I will hopefully have another chance to speak with him and when I do, I’ll try to explain to him that, “IF SHE REALLY LOVED HIM AND CARED ABOUT HIM, SHE WOULDN’T FORCE HIM TO MARRY HER”. If she would leave him because he won’t marry her, than she obviously doesn’t care about him.
He’s already thinking about buying a home with her. Feels like I’ve lost my son……..to a damn female…….cursed creatures, the lot of them. I’ve told him my story and he witnessed it first hand with his mother and I, but he’s young and just can’t see the truth. I sent him to this site, but he didn’t read anything from the forums, but I even told him about some of the worst stories I’ve read on here.
Those of you who believe in the power of prayer, please do so. I don’t want to have my son coming to me years from now telling me that he should’ve listened to me.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Then, he admitted that he can’t do stuff with me very often because of “his woman”.
Point out that this is classic controlling behaviour. S~~~ test by s~~~ test, she is slowly closing down his life. Within 12 months, he will be nothing but a puppet – no single friends, no outside interests, nothing.
If man were doing this to a woman, it would be deemed unacceptable. In some jurisdictions, it is now a crime.
I politely listened and then threw an empty brass at him and told him that all of that s~~~ means nothing because she’s going to change.
She is in chameleon mode at the moment. She won’t ‘change’. What will happen is that she will drop the mask. Tell him to watch her get fatter as she gets more comfortable and secure in the knowledge that he’s hooked.
Then, he admitted that he can’t do stuff with me very often because of “his woman”.
You could point out that this is classic controlling behaviour. If man were doing this to a woman, it would be deemed unacceptable (in some jurisdictions, it is now even a crime).
S~~~ test after s~~~ test, she is slowly closing down his life. Within 12 months, he will be nothing but a puppet.I politely listened and then threw an empty brass at him and told him that all of that s~~~ means nothing because she’s going to change.
She is in chameleon mode at the moment. She won’t ‘change’. What will happen is that she will drop the mask.
Thanks for the advice and I’ll try it, but I really don’t think anything I say will change his mind.
Yes, he’s slowly being hypnotized and trained and doesn’t even see it. When he first got with her, I saw him quite a bit and now, I rarely get to spend any time with him. He even admitted that he can’t spend as much money on guns and other stuff that he’d like because he spends so much on her. He sees this, but continues to do it!
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Hermit, stop telling him all these things. All you’re doing is pushing him towards a point where he’ll have to chose between Mom/GF and You. Basically, he’ll be all in with this blue pill life before he’s even signed the contract. If there will likely be a point where he really doubts this, and you want to be a place he can come to to talk about it without feeling judged.
I’m not at all saying give up though. Ask him questions. All sorts of questions to get his mind thinking. Always thinking and evaluating the situation. He doesn’t need answers, he needs questions.
Where are you going to live? Who’s in charge of the finances? What will you do if you have a kid? Have you talked with her about a budget, and what sacrifices you’ll make if ends don’t meet? Does she handle money well? Have you ask her what she thinks are fair grounds for a divorce? Do they match yours? Is she like her mother? Is her mother a pleasant woman? What does she think of her father? Is her father a happy man?…
I didn’t want anyone telling me what to do when I was engaged. I didn’t want opinions. However, getting me to think about all these things would have been a good help.
Ok. Then do it.
Anonymous1“Son, I know that a 23 year old man wants to be independent. I know that you want to make your own choices, without dad telling you you’re making a bad choice. But you must remember, as your father, my job is to make you smarter, sooner, with less pain of experience than I had to endure. I tell you the stove’s hot and to not touch it, because I don’t want you to get burned trying to discover that on your own. If I DIDN’T share these things with you, I’d be delinquent. You want to be independent, but you are about to make a decision that will take away ALL your independence. NO decision will be your own.”
“How about a quick math lesson? Would you take half of everything you’ve ever earned, go to Vegas, and put it on the roulette wheel, all on black? Basically, that’s a 50% chance of losing 50% of all your stuff. Marriage is the same…you have a 50% chance of getting divorced, at which time she will take 50% of everything you’ve ever earned. If you think the Vegas bet is idiotic, so is marriage.”
My heart truly goes out to you, Hermit. My son left with his mom and sister 2 years ago. They live on the other side of the same county, and I’ve not seen him in months. He’s a HS senior, and I have zero input on what college he applies to, what major he plans, much less talk about women, dating, cars, etc. Bon Chance, Mon Frere.
“Son, I know that a 23 year old man wants to be independent. I know that you want to make your own choices, without dad telling you you’re making a bad choice. But you must remember, as your father, my job is to make you smarter, sooner, with less pain of experience than I had to endure. I tell you the stove’s hot and to not touch it, because I don’t want you to get burned trying to discover that on your own. If I DIDN’T share these things with you, I’d be delinquent. You want to be independent, but you are about to make a decision that will take away ALL your independence. NO decision will be your own.”
“How about a quick math lesson? Would you take half of everything you’ve ever earned, go to Vegas, and put it on the roulette wheel, all on black? Basically, that’s a 50% chance of losing 50% of all your stuff. Marriage is the same…you have a 50% chance of getting divorced, at which time she will take 50% of everything you’ve ever earned. If you think the Vegas bet is idiotic, so is marriage.”
My heart truly goes out to you, Hermit. My son left with his mom and sister 2 years ago. They live on the other side of the same county, and I’ve not seen him in months. He’s a HS senior, and I have zero input on what college he applies to, what major he plans, much less talk about women, dating, cars, etc. Bon Chance, Mon Frere.Forsaken, thank you. As I read everything you say, it makes perfect sense to me, but my son is blinded by his youth and inexperience. I told him it looks like he’s going to have to learn by the burn.
Ha, that just brought back a memory. When he was a baby, he somehow managed to climb on top of the stove and turn all four burners on high. I walked in the kitchen and became horrified at the sight of him sitting in the middle of the stove with four red hot burners around him. I quickly got to him and lifted him up off the stove without him being burned. Maybe that’s a sign that he will somehow make it through this situation somehow.
That’s awful that you never get to see your son. At least if I call him, I may get to see my son, if he’s not too busy with that girl of his. Man, those bitches can poison a guy’s mind so easily. He loves guns, motorcycles and he even started building his own single person airplane, but all his interests have gone by the wayside because he’s spending all his TIME AND MONEY on this girl. It just makes me sick and sad.
Well, it’s his life and he has to live it himself. I do want him to know that I WILL NOT be attending his wedding. It would be like him asking me to watch him cut his arm off. I won’t watch him get married. I forgot to tell my son, but I’ve made it clear to most people that I don’t go to funerals or weddings as they are both a waste of time.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Herm,
Maybe take him on a field trip to the Family Courthouse? See those Plaintiffs – almost all are women. Those are the people who initiated the divorce. See the Defendants? Almost all are men. In the majority of cases, they did nothing wrong that should require defending themselves. All of those men thought it would last forever.
But it still probably won’t matter. In the meantime, I’ll say a prayer next time I’m in church.
Herm,
Maybe take him on a field trip to the Family Courthouse? See those Plaintiffs – almost all are women. Those are the people who initiated the divorce. See the Defendants? Almost all are men. In the majority of cases, they did nothing wrong that should require defending themselves. All of those men thought it would last forever.
But it still probably won’t matter. In the meantime, I’ll say a prayer next time I’m in church.Twist, thanks. That might be a good idea. As you said though, it probably wouldn’t change his mind, because “this girl is different” and “they have a lot in common”……..and you know the rest of the stupid s~~~ men have said in defense of their gals and relationships.
Man, it really makes my heart sink knowing the mistake he’s making and not having the ability to do anything about it but sit back and watch. This is very painful.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
“Learn from the Burn” That is brilliant
I agree wit the above advice to give him questions and let him figure out the answers on his own. My favorite question is: what is it exactly that you (both) are expecting to accomplish married that you cannot accomplish single?
You can live together, have kids, insure each other, leave property to each other and make each other your medical power of attorney in case of coma. EVERY ONE of those things that are available to married people is also available to single people.
He is likely to answer by giving you some version of ‘it’s what she wants…’. No surprise there. He’ll likely know that he has missed the actual answer, but if he does not come back to you and ask what it is, he probably wont be receptive if you volunteer it. Hopefully, he’ll ask. If he does, he may listen better to the answer.
The answer to the original question is this: The only legal mechanism available to married people that isn’t available to single people is THE UNLIMITED TRANSFER OF CASH AND ASSETS FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER WITHOUT THE RECIPIENT HAVING TO PAY GIFT TAXES. If I earn 2 million dollars, and I give a woman 1 million dollars, the IRS will be requiring her to pay gift taxes on that gift. But if I marry her and she takes that money from me in a divorce, she pays zero taxes on it. When I first heard about this, I asked a retired IRS agent about it because it didn’t make sense to me that the government would pass up the opportunity to take a cut anytime money changes hands. he explained that the reasoning behind no taxes for the money taken by the wife is that the IRS considers that money to be ALREADY HERS. Taxes on it were already paid when he earned it, but by the time he received it, half of it already belonged to her, so there are no taxes for her when she takes it.
If he doesn’t believe this, challenge him to come up with the better answer. Commitment, monogamy, love, honor, cherish, forsaking all others, for as long as you live… all of that is equally available to single people who choose to have it in their relationship.
Perhaps the best use of this question is for him to ask it to her, and let him hear her response… When he hears it, he’ll need to ask himself if that response is worth half of his earnings for the rest of his life (or until she decides to cash out)
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Hermit, I’m really sorry for you man. I can only imagine how hard this is. I agree with the others that basically he has to learn the hard way, but it sure as hell must be painful for you to watch.
I also agree with the point that, the more red pills you drop, the more he’ll probably react against it. Telling your son not to get married is probably a great way to encourage him to get married.
I think it’s fair enough for you not to go to the wedding. If he knows you don’t believe in marriage, he’ll know it would only be fake of you to turn up and pretend to celebrate their getting married.
However, she is almost certainly doing her best to turn him against you, and unfortunately this is only going to help her with that. You might take the view that you’ll try to stay in his life more by biting your tongue…but it’s a tough one.
This is one reason I’m glad I don’t have kids. I don’t want to have daughters who grow up to be narcissistic and entitled, and I don’t want sons who grow up to be f~~~ed over by narcissistic entitled women. And this thread shows there’s a limit to what you can do as a parent to prevent that happening: society is a lot more powerful than a parent.
Anyway, you have my sympathies, and yeah I’ll say a prayer for you and him too bro. 🙂
There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.
It sounds like you have done a great job. If your son does get burned, he will think back and remember what you have told him. Your son will turn out fine.
Your son is lucky to have you in his life.A lot of us had to learn the hard way.
Anonymous12Not all of us can learn by observing – some of us must walk through the valley of the shadow of death.
I suggest you stay out of that mess.
Let him crash and burn.But he is my son!
no he is not. he is just another Blue pull male, thinking with his small brain in his pants. he is still connected to the matrix, able to buy a house, but unable to resist the pussy.
Because beneath all this “love” is nothing but a sexdrive that asks to be satisfied.let him walk his path – even if that means Nose first into a wall.
Reflecting on this thread.
A young man full, as my father used to put it, ‘of p~~~ and vinegar’. He is now independent, so bluntly telling him (as if giving him an order) will result in a negative reaction.
Rational arguments will be of no avail. The hormones and the lizard brain are in control.
As Narwhal suggests, ask him questions to which he has to supply the answer. Something thrust in his face can be ignored, but it’s harder when he has generated that information himself.
Make predictions (her getting fat, refusing to work, ‘girls night out’ etc). These will be milestones. As each prediction comes true, the likelihood that he will see the next and understand what the future holds increases.
Hermit, I’m really sorry for you man. I can only imagine how hard this is. I agree with the others that basically he has to learn the hard way, but it sure as hell must be painful for you to watch.
I also agree with the point that, the more red pills you drop, the more he’ll probably react against it. Telling your son not to get married is probably a great way to encourage him to get married.
I think it’s fair enough for you not to go to the wedding. If he knows you don’t believe in marriage, he’ll know it would only be fake of you to turn up and pretend to celebrate their getting married.
However, she is almost certainly doing her best to turn him against you, and unfortunately this is only going to help her with that. You might take the view that you’ll try to stay in his life more by biting your tongue…but it’s a tough one.
This is one reason I’m glad I don’t have kids. I don’t want to have daughters who grow up to be narcissistic and entitled, and I don’t want sons who grow up to be f~~~ed over by narcissistic entitled women. And this thread shows there’s a limit to what you can do as a parent to prevent that happening: society is a lot more powerful than a parent.
Anyway, you have my sympathies, and yeah I’ll say a prayer for you and him too bro.Thanks, Lion. Your words mean a lot to me. I suppose I have said all I can say and I should probably back off. Don’t know whether or not she’s trying to turn him against me, but I can tell she doesn’t like me so it is possible. She probably doesn’t like me because she can tell I don’t care for females and I certainly don’t go out of my way to be nice to her.
He’s tied himself to this girl and I reckon I’ll stop interfering.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
It sounds like you have done a great job. If your son does get burned, he will think back and remember what you have told him. Your son will turn out fine.Your son is lucky to have you in his life.
A lot of us had to learn the hard way.Thanks man. Guess I need to just try to ignore what is currently happening and hope for the best.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Thanks for everyone’s posts. You all have helped me see this situation from different angles.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Well, it’s official. My son is almost on his way down the wrong road.
Ideally, you could send your son a link to this thread on this forum. But I understand how that can backfire badly should your ex find out who you are on here.
Instead maybe you could send your son links to MGTOW YouTube videos like those from Sandman or Terrence Popp (Redonkulas). He might be more willing to listen once he realizes that the dangers are common knowledge among many men. Do you think that that might help?
If that doesn’t open his eyes then I can’t think of anything else that would…
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