My intro

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

I have a buddy who is “happily married”, but he basically caves in and says things like, “If momma aint happy, nobody’s happy”.

And, “Oh, momma isn’t gonna like that”.

She stays home and he wins the bread. She bosses him around like a little boy.

I’m not saying your relationship is like that. Just a different perspective how this guy can be happy where I’d be absolutely miserable.

I’d like to hear more about your dynamics. If you are happy, more power to you.

[usairmanParticipant 35]

In reply to “The Manipulated Man”
( I just happened to run across a book with that title via a “link from a link” from some article on the TRP Reddit yesterday and started reading it. Some concepts I have thought of before, many I hadn’t but they resonate. FEW (or NONE) are untrue based on my experience so far in 55+ years of life.)

Anyway, here’s some answers to the “Improve your weak ass intro” as challenged by The Manipulated Man (the poster on here, not the book) 🙂

The Manipulated Man wrote:

So, here are some tips to Improve your “Introduction:”

In the reply box below, give general descriptions to the following questions:

What does YOUR Sovereignty look like?
usairman – I honestly don’t know the answer to that question. Hadn’t quite thought of it in my personal relationships. I have thought of it as a citizen of this republic and I am aware that we have little personal sovereignty in that regard. We’re treated as “subjects” by a relatively small class of elites. We serve their purposes and enrich them. Sounds very similar to marriage now that I think about it. Just on a larger scale.

To that end – the “over reaching government / lack of sovereignty” issue I plan to “retire” from my current career and move out west someplace in about 6- 8 years (Idaho is my dream location but I honestly haven’t been there since the late 1990’s so I plan to start going and visiting it a few times starting next Summer).

I realize that has not much to do with my “relationship” Sovereignty but having NOT thought about being a slave to that much in the past. Reading this site and TRP Reddit is making me rethink everything though/

Hobbies?
– Fishing (fly mostly)
and fly tying although I am not great at tying. (Fish don’t seem to be as critical as other fly tyers luckily) 🙂

– Shooting sports (I’m retired military – kinda goes with the territory)

– Hunting – used to be a big time bird hunter with bird dogs that I trained, etc. Now I stick closer to home and mostly hunt squirrels and Deer.

– Hiking (less now than when I had great knees – f~~~ed up knees slow you down – or at least make you “pay” at the end of the day in pain. Those knees are why I don’t bird hunt as much anymore. Plus, I have a son that’s a lot more into big game and not as interested in bird hunting but he did get a Lab so maybe he’ll at least get into waterfowl and I’ll have someone to go with)

What kind of fun things do YOU do?

– Ride my DL 650 (VStrom) Motorcycle
– Work on my DL 650 (Vstrom) Motorcycle 🙂
– Kayak, (usually fishing)
– Float tube (always while fishing)
– Tie flies
– NOT watch TV
– Hang out with my son
– Spend time with my family ( I am one of 5, my Mom was one of 17 so I have a LOT of family to spend time with. Many of them are farmers so I sometimes help them out too)
– Tend Cattle, do associated farm work. (Fence, hay, etc.)

Where have you lived?
1st 20 years of my life Indiana
Next 20 years of my life: Texas, Oklahoma (twice), Germany (twice), Guam
Also deployed multiple times to Europe, Middle East, and Central and South America

What kind of jobs have you done?
– Farm work
– Gas station attendent (back when you actually pumped gas and cleaned windshields, checked oil, etc)
– Parts counter guy at a GM Dealership
– Air Force (telecom and later network engineer)
– Quality Engineer in manufacturing
– Consultant in Manufacturing Engineering and Labs

Training/ Education?
– Associates Degree, Telecommunications Operations
– B.S. Information Systems Management
– MBA
Hundreds of hours of technical training while in Air Force

Any future projects?
– Planning to perform a bunch of house and landscape updates in the next 2-3 years so I can sell house in a few years and move out west. (Currently doing a lot of digging – with a shovel, by hand to take care of some settling issues on one side of my house) House is a walk out basement with a downward sloping grade lot… If you have a house like that you get it. If not – you probably don’t care 🙂

OK – I will keep trying to answer questions as I can. I mostly like to read other posts right now and learn more about these concepts.

Thanks all for the welcomes!
Joe

[usairmanParticipant 35]

CombatRoll wrote:

I have a buddy who is “happily married”, but he basically caves in and says things like, “If momma aint happy, nobody’s happy”.

And, “Oh, momma isn’t gonna like that”.

She stays home and he wins the bread. She bosses him around like a little boy.

I’m not saying your relationship is like that. Just a different perspective how this guy can be happy where I’d be absolutely miserable.

I’d like to hear more about your dynamics. If you are happy, more power to you.

I think I started out being married the few first years thinking things like that (If Momma ain’t happy, etc.) Except My wife never would not have been thrilled with me thinking that she was my “Momma.” She had a Dad like that. So she has always expected her husband to act like a grown man and not view his wife as his Momma. My wife has seldom every picked up after me. If I leave my socks and underwear on the bathroom floor (I don’t usually) they stay there until I pick them up. She NEVER says a word about it though.

We had that talk before we got married. “I am not going to fight with you over stuff like picking up after yourself, just be a grown man and take care of it. I won’t say anything to you about it, but I’ll think you’re a loser if you let it go too often or too long.” During that talk I told her “as long as you make sure we don’t run out of peanut butter, ketchup, or kisses for me we won’t have problems.

And, I figured out early in our relationship that it didn’t matter what I did, my wife didn’t get happy or unhappy based on most of the things I did or didn’t do.

She actually seems happy that I don’t worry about her being happy. She sees relatives that do act along the “If Momma ain’t happy” lines and she thinks they’re “pussies”… (Usually the strongest word she uses, she’s a Christian lady so that’s about as raunchy as her language gets)

The only real “bitching” or contention I have had with her is when I told her “I am buying a motorcycle.” She said, “Ok, if you think you need to.”

So I did. That “Ok, if you think you need to” is about as snarky as I remember her ever being with, or toward ME. I have seen her be a “Grizzly Momma” in an absolutely major way a few times when it comes to her kids (not directed at me but at others who she viewed as messing with the kids or doing them wrong.)

So I won’t say she’s perfect, she can be a bit of pain at times but not like what I hear out of most guys.

I think we get along fairly well compared to most couples because we don’t have “demands” on each other’s behavior.

[usairmanParticipant 35]

Sorry all that I kinda botched my first intro then didn’t really understand how to use the “quote” feature in my update to that.

I think I am pretty much caught up in responding. Although I didn’t respond to each poster’s post individually I do think I responded to most of the comments in my other responses.

Thanks again for the welcome.
Joe

[usairmanParticipant 35]

One last thing – Just to let you know how much attention I pay to most social media and how UN “hip” I am – I had to google the definiton for “Doxing” (word used in one of your replies)

It’s not that I am stupid about things like that – it’s just that I don’t really give a rat’s ass and don’t keep up with it all 🙂

BUT, I am glad I learned something from you guys.

[Anonymous 3]

You appear to b condescending

[Anonymous 12]

Your choice of phrase, “put up with”, or “treats me like I’m important”, with your caveat that, “I’m not”, is disheartening. It reads like a man looking through a blue pill lense describing his marriage.

She should be supportive of your new overseas postings. You should never think you aren’t important. You are just as important as she is.

Thank you @nomore

US Airman:

Welcome!
You confuse me.

Married (happily)
You put yourself down (she puts up with me)
You deny your own value (i am not important)

If those are your Truths for tonight, then you are still no more than a Battery in the Matrix.

You are surrounded
– by Men who have been severely screwed over, whose future was destroyed by Women and the Boys in Blue, the Robes in Black…
– by Guys who have always known, from a Boys age that marriage was a big NONO (such as me)
– by many who have woken up to the behavior and ugly truths of women somewhere along the way.

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Personally, i like this definition as an important Cornerstone of MGTOW, of walking my own path at my own pace and doing my own screwups as i go:

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.
sov·er·eign·ty

ˈsäv(ə)rən(t)ē/
Noun. Meaning: Supreme power or authority. Autonomy, independence, self-government, self-rule, self-determination, freedom. Self-governing.

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If she puts up with you,
you are a Dog she tolerates around the house.

If you are not important
you are the Dog she will discard once your purpose is fulfilled.

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Let me drive the nail a bit further:

Welcome,
Walking Battery, ATM, Serviceman.

You are not walking your own way.
Not even thinking your own way.
You are doubly enslaved:
– By the system that sends you around the Globe.
– By the woman who made it clear you can be discarded at any moment.

You cannot get out of either Position without your world falling apart. You can not up and leave.
Good luck – it´s all you got left.

You got a seat here should you ever be willing to accept it.

[Anonymous 3]

WOW! sometimes truth can b a bitter pill to swallow & reality can often b a cruel judge.
It’s Sunday evening. Nice & peaceful here. Wouldn’t trade right now for any woman in the world.
Peace, Real peace & let the whirling dervishes whirl

[Anonymous 12]

I got stars and crickets, a bowl of mixed salad and an empty bottle of Cola.

Clothing for the week is ready, dog sleeps on the Balcony.
What more can a Man ask for?

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

You are rubbing salt in the wound by continuing to write on this web site about your happy marriage and your good wife. Stop it!

I understand why you are doing it. Much of it an admirable masculine characteristic.
You are courageous, honorable, and honest.
From your point of view, you are laying all of your cards on the table up front.

But, you have really stepped into a big pile of ssshaving cream and now you are stirring it around.

Instead, try to follow my suggestions in my previous reply.

For the next few months, write about the nonsense that you are dealing with regarding the toxic woman you have been forced to deal with outside your home. Your experiences with the Gynocracy are valuable.

Anyway, many thanks for sharing your impressive Bonafides. It is always good to read about what other men are doing in their lives.

We share a lot of things in common and you have done stuff I have always wanted to do.

I worked on my Uncles farms in hill country when I was a teenager, and in my youth, I spent time living in a fishing village on the West Coast of Ireland. Those times have sustained me throughout the years.

usairman wrote:

…… House is a walk out basement with a downward sloping grade lot… .…..

I was hoping to get one of those when I move to Idaho. Now my fantasy is ruined!

Although, I did have a log cabin near a pond in the hills of Brown County, Indiana. But, what a maintenance nightmare!

In fact, there were always major problems with every property I had to deal with.

For the past year, I have been writing about my Red Pills along with details about my life here on MGTOW.com

You can read about them by going to the “forums” tab on my Profile page.

For most MGTOWs, myself included, a lot of the interesting details about our lives are buried in replies to other’s Posts.

When I look back on what I wrote last year, some of it makes me cringe. So, gaining MGTOW wisdom is a process.

I hope that you continue digging into the Archives, because this web site is a gold mine.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[OldBillParticipant]

usairman wrote:

I am not truly MGTOW because I am happily married…

You don’t belong here. Seriously.

I’m not insulting you, I’m stating a fact. You do not belong here. It’s that simple.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 3]

I agree with Old Bill.

[HermitParticipant]

CombatRoll wrote:

I have a buddy who is “happily married”, but he basically caves in and says things like, “If momma aint happy, nobody’s happy”.

And, “Oh, momma isn’t gonna like that”.

She stays home and he wins the bread. She bosses him around like a little boy.

I’m not saying your relationship is like that. Just a different perspective how this guy can be happy where I’d be absolutely miserable.

I’d like to hear more about your dynamics. If you are happy, more power to you.

I hate that s~~~! If no one is happy when she’s unhappy, then she’s an inconsiderate controlling bitch who makes everyone around her miserable. F~~~ that s~~~! I hate that as much as I hate hearing a man say that they have to “ask the boss” before they can come out and go fishing with me or shooting or whatever else. In the first place, she shouldn’t be your “boss”. Second, you don’t ask her for permission. You can be considerate and tell her where you’re going, but never ask for permission.

When I was married, I never asked my wife if I could do anything. I didn’t ask my wife when I bought my motorcycle. I rode home on it and that’s when she found out that I had bought it. Some gal was admiring my bike one day and somehow my ex came into the conversation and this gal said, “Well, at least she let you buy the bike.” Man that s~~~ p~~~ed me off. I immediately raised my voice and said, “LET ME?!” Some mutual friends we were with shut down the conversation quickly because they knew where it was headed.

I asked a married guy the other day if he’d like to come and let me buy him some drinks. He had to text his wife first. That was just so foreign to me….a grown man asking a woman if he could go out and have a drink. I laughed at him and told him that he made me very happy that I was no longer married.

I will never live under that s~~~ again, NEVER! Never again will I be with a woman who thinks she can manipulate me or control me. A long hard lesson it was that I learned, but learned it well I did. What a great and peaceful weekend I spent alone with no irritating woman around……..and what a wonderful evening I will have after work today when I go home to MY house.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Anonymous 3]

Good stuff! Hermit. I love the way I live today & wouldn’t trade that for any woman on earth. I learned the hard way as well.
Proud to be, MGTOW

[.50calParticipant 62]

@usairman

What exactly do you find in common with MGTOW?

I do think that your wife is a dying breed. There are many men that have had similar mentalities as husbands like you but were burned by their female.

So then, he who marries the virgin does well, but he who does not marry her does even better. 1 Corinthians 7:38

[HermitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Good stuff! Hermit. I love the way I live today & wouldn’t trade that for any woman on earth. I learned the hard way as well.
Proud to be, MGTOW

I read an interesting quote on here the other day and I can’t remember exactly how it went, but this is how it would read for me: “I’d rather die young, alone and happy than live to be old with someone who makes me miserable.”

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

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