My GF's desperation

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

So, got into an argument with my GF today. This is probably the reason why you will avoid dating women as MGTOW.
I told her from the start I don’t want to marry. She thought she could “change” my mind. This was the end of the conversation.

I’ll post more excerpts if requested.

Her: And if we never have a kid and get divorced, there’s no child support.
I wouldn’t ask for alimony. I’d just go back to life as it was before.

Me: No, you’ll get used to a standard of living, and you’ll rake my b~~~~ over the court.

Her:: Quit telling me what I’m going to do. You aren’t in my brain. I’m not every other woman you’ve met in your life.

Me:.…….. okay Sarah. You’re right, when you’re tired of me, or are unhappy with me and marriage counseling hasn’t worked and you are used to a standard of living, you’ll go in that court room, demand 50/50 custody, no alimony or child support.

Her: You’re still saying what I’m going to do. You just changed it to something else. You sound like you’re trying to plan our future divorce without experiencing any of the joy

Me: HAVE to plan for our future divorce, you don’t have to do s~~~. You’ll be just fine, you have the government for that.
Joy is not being happy for 13 years then being miserable for 40.

Her: Quit assuming the worst and just imagine what the good parts could be like

Me: Lets stop talking about this… the feminists have f~~~ed your marriage plans all to hell. I’m not an idiot and you’re not going to convince me to chop my b~~~~ off, staple them to a legal document and hand it to you

[Anonymous 18]

She is telling you to stop using your big brains.

Before: Why do you have to think so much? OMG, so cautious about love, its a good thing. You just keep thinking, like all the time. Just let it go, have fun, c’mon.

After: Do you any idea how careless, and thoughtless you are when it comes to me. Just don’t think about MY feelings, what I want. Why can’t you just use your brain for a change? I want a divorce. I never said I would leave you but the man I fell in love is gone forever. I don’t even know who you are.

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Why argue in first place man? Take it or leave it, no?

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I found it funny that my GF actually understood WHY I didn’t want to get married. She HAS said before that if we got married, she’d be the best wife she could possibly be, but if we got a divorce she’d not want a single thing from me, not even my money. I meant to show her the show “Divorce Corp.” for starters (she’s seen a lot of MGTOW videos on her own time now) just to show her WHY even getting married “just to try it out” was a bad idea. Knowing her (she’s the single most easily influenced woman I’ve ever met), she’d very easily see my side on this…

Anyway, I’m getting carried away. My point was to say that I find it funny how they say “I’m not like every other woman! You can’t say I won’t do that!”

Why is it they don’t understand that we don’t want to even RISK it? Quit assuming? Yeah, because assumptions and past experiences aren’t supposed to make us wiser!?

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Yeah it’s sad. They don’t even realize how emotionally fickle they can be….

Like I’m really going to believe any woman that says “Oh no honey I won’t take you in family court for everything, because I love you.”

Correction bitch, you love me RIGHT NOW, later you won’t and you’ll go back on all those promises because you’re an emotional fickle c~~~. lol

The real question is this… are they really oblivious to operating that way? Or do they still remember all those promises and do it anyway?

One is sad, the other is terrifying…… ah c~~~s.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

Knowing her (she’s the single most easily influenced woman I’ve ever met), she’d very easily see my side on this…

Anyway, I’m getting carried away. My point was to say that I find it funny how they say “I’m not like every other woman! You can’t say I won’t do that!”

Why is it they don’t understand that we don’t want to even RISK it? Quit assuming? Yeah, because assumptions and past experiences aren’t supposed to make us wiser!?

Most easily influenced woman I’ve ever met translated = her divorce lawyer might as well be using Jedi mind tricks to pay his own salary at a bank. Thank god all divorce lawyers are sith.

They do understand we don’t want to risk it, they just don’t give a f~~~ what WE want, they want their day. A great red flag for f~~~ your life up later.

[Anonymous 18]

Exsliventxs wrote:

are they really oblivious to operating that way? Or do they still remember all those promises and do it anyway?

It’s about NOW. What they feel for now. Who they like for now. And in future why she is not happy with you in the now, why the children, the past memories and struggles don’t matter because it’s not now that she feels or remembers those things. It is somewhat primitive. But it has been working for them. Until now. So I hope.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Wow, great insight into the situation at hand and congratulations for not screwing up your life.

Women have a way of promising everything before marriage – her promises are of course non-binding.
I have personally experienced really “nice” ladies go totally vindictive when they don’t get what they want. Ladies will totally destroy your life without an ounce of regret or hesitation. And divorce is one of their favorite tools.

In my situation, I really enjoyed paying for her attorney and my attorney to have lunch and c~~~tails every Friday to discuss how she was going to rob me blind. And this from a nice “Christian” girl who ran off with a married preacher because I played golf on Sunday’s to unwind after working 60-70 hours. Oh, and if you have any assets, don’t be surprised if she is too emotionally upset to work for a while until your money is gone. Don’t believe NAWALT. Not for a second. You have money and they want it.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Exsliventxs wrote:

Yeah it’s sad. They don’t even realize how emotionally fickle they can be….

Which is why you need your position set in f~~~ing stone and never, EVER waver from it. No marriage. Ever. End of discussion. Deal with it.

: “Oh no honey I won’t take you in family court for everything, because I love you.”
: “You’re only half right. No, you won’t take me for everything in family court. You’re right about that. But it’s because I am NOT going to marry you. Or anyone.”

The very fact that she’s trying to pressure you into marriage shows she does NOT love you. Because marriage has nothing to do with love. Marriage is about property. Your property. Marriage is about labor. Your labor. She doesn’t want to marry you because she wants you. She already has you. She wants to marry you because SHE WANTS YOUR STUFF.

If you haven’t already gotten a vasectomy, now is a really good time, because you’re staring down the barrel of an “Oops!” pregnancy with this one. That or just dump her, because she is NOT going to let this drop. She wants your stuff (or at least some man’s stuff), and she will not stop at anything to get it. AWALT.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

I have to add this. Just think about what she said right here:

Exsliventxs wrote:

Her: Quit assuming the worst and just imagine what the good parts could be like

What “good parts” is she talking about? Again, marriage is a property contract and nothing to do with love or happiness or “good parts”. What possible “good parts” could there be in a marriage that you can’t have just by being together unmarried?

There are only two possibilities here:

1. She is lying to you about some non-existent hypothetical “good parts” intrinsic to marriage. This means she’s a lying, manipulative bitch.
2. She is withholding some “good parts” from you until you irrevocably sign over your life to her. Until she gets the big payout. This means she’s a whore.

Do you really want to spend your life with either?

[RoyDalParticipant]

The way their minds work, I’d be willing to bet she actually believes the stuff she is saying before you sign the marriage contract. All the women I know, without exception, will completely change their minds within one day. “I I never said that.” She says the next day.

Exsliventxs wrote:

Most easily influenced woman I’ve ever met translated = her divorce lawyer might as well be using Jedi mind tricks to pay his own salary at a bank. Thank god all divorce lawyers are sith.

That is a good turn of phrase! And it is a completely accurate appraisal of the economics of the legal system. Lawyers get paid for going to court. If he told her to keep her pre-marriage verbal promise, then he would be out countless thousands of legal fees and his firm’s partners would assign his cases to another.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

RoyDal wrote:

The way their minds work, I’d be willing to bet she actually believes the stuff she is saying before you sign the marriage contract.

Of course she “believes” it.

But men have to deal with the real world the way it really is. Dealing with the world the way some woman “believes” it is is probably the biggest mistake a man can ever make.

[RoyDalParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

But men have to deal with the real world the way it really is. Dealing with the world the way some woman “believes” it is is probably the biggest mistake a man can ever make.

I agree totally, and I think his divorce lawyer would agree too. Keep in mind his lawyer and her lawyer play golf together, so it is in both their financial interests to stir the pot and keep it boiling, and they have many ways to achieve this lucrative aim. That said, his lawyer knows deep down inside what she is really up to.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

If a Marriage 2.0 contract is such a good deal, improving men’s health, happiness, income, etc as the mainstream media touts, why is it that men never issue the Marriage Ultimatums? Think about it.

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

You’re male anatomy is the convoy, her anatomy is the Helmand province of Afghanistan; get the f~~~ out before you’re torn to pieces.

I agree with SideCar to be cautious about the ‘oops I’m pregnant’ line. Now that she knows how you feel and you’ve asserted that she’ll likely find more subversive means to trap you into the extraction of your wealth.

Though I’d be curious to hear what she’d have to say if you said you want to be an unemployed house husband.

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[Anonymous 11]

RoyDal wrote:

All the women I know, without exception, will completely change their minds within one day

Or quite possibly even seconds, minutes or the hour.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Marriage is a contract with the state.

Whatever she’s telling you now is complete bulls~~~. You don’t know a woman until you’ve met her in court.

No alimony or child support? She will turn you upside down and shake you until change comes out like Riff Raff from Underdog.

She’ll take s~~~ just so you can’t have it. My buddies old girlfriend had her husbands little green army men. My ex took all my Beavis and Butthead videos.

Fuck this planet.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

RedDawn wrote:

You’re male anatomy is the convoy, her anatomy is the Helmand province of Afghanistan; get the f~~~ out before you’re torn to pieces.

LOL this cracked me up. The “oops pregnancy” is one of many roadside IEDS, to continue with the analogy because the marriage WILL cost you an arm and a leg (see what I did there?)

Serious question: WHAT IS THE POINT OF MARRIAGE? Companionship? I can get that with just a girlfriend and no marriage. Children? Again, you can get that with just a girlfriend and no marriage. Happiness? Can get that with a girlfriend and no marriage.

OP, I request you to ask your girlfriend why marriage is necessary- if it’s a lifelong commitment, tell her that you’re willing to make that commitment, but that you can stay with her for life WITHOUT signing a binding contract. If she says something like “well a marriage is proof that you really do love me and will stay with me for life” then come back with “if you don’t trust me enough to keep my word, why should I trust you to keep yours that you won’t rake me over the coals during divorce?”

And bam.
2 options:
1) She falls into line.
2) She doesn’t and you kick her out.

PS- even if she does end up having an oops pregnancy, do NOT marry her out of shame or w/e. Otherwise you know you’ll owe alimony on top of the already granted child support.

You’re smart OP. Thanks for sharing.

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

I strongly suggest a vasectomy as defense against her “final solution”.

She will attempt to get pregnant (not necessarily by you), so she can guilt/shame you into marrying her.

Believe me, she’s thinking about it right now…

[rorickParticipant 682]

Exsliventxs wrote:

without experiencing any of the joy

Exsliventxs wrote:

just imagine what the good parts could be like

Can anyone please explain to me what are the good parts and joy that you’ll get only after singing the marriage contract, which you won’t without ..

Exsliventxs wrote:

I’m not every other woman you’ve met in your life.

You should have quit right there !

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I noticed in your OP that you said your girlfriend. What’s the status after her s~~~ test and your crushing of her argument? She broke a verbal contract already since you told her earlier in the relations~~~ that you absolutely positively were not getting married, and she tried to persuade (since manipulate makes it sound so calculating) you into a discussion about something you said was off the table. Just curious since you brought it to the forum.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

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