Movies where guy must improve self for woman

[FrederickTheGreatParticipant 235]

In other threads, we have been discussing the notion that women believe they are a prize to be attained and the man must improve himself to be “worthy” of her. Nevermind that the woman need not make any effort at all. I wonder how many popular movies have this as a trope. It seems like a very familiar theme of movies.

Star Wars: MGTOW Han Solo begins by saying “no reward is worth this” but decides that he should join a political-military organization (rather than living his own individualistic life) and become a much less cool character by Empire Strikes Back so that Leia will love him. I didn’t see Leia trying to change in any way for him.

As Good as it Gets: Jack Nicholson starts out as a red pill guy with a keen insight into women. He later decides that Helen Hunt makes him want to be a “better” person. I don’t recall her trying to also become a better person.

Warm Bodies: Zombie guy has to become “human” again to please some girl, who just awaits his transformation as she is already in her perfect human state. (What an obvious metaphor for the frequently quoted idea that women “civilize” men).

My Fair Lady: Professor Higgins may sing a great song about the dangers of letting a woman in your life, but by the end, he gives up his values for his NAWALT unicorn.

The Wizard of Oz? I haven’t seen it in a long time, but isn’t it about three flawed men wanting to overcome their flaws to please Dorothy? Or am I misremembering?

Any others?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Good thread Frederick. This was put in the right place but we will move it into MGTOW Central for the time being.

Do you have an hour?

• Shrek. He starts out having to slay a fire-breathing dragon (metaphor for “inner bitch”) just for an opportunity to climb to the highest room in the tallest tower for “a chance” to wake her from her slumber. He decided f~~~ this stupid s~~~, and she gets all p~~~ed off running after him “no no no! that’s not how it’s supposed to work!!!”.

• Aladdin. A sickening display of a peasant boy who sees Jasmin at the market, says “wow” and starts tripping over his own words – when all she does is breathe air. The Genie “trains” him to put on an entire PUA persona as “Prince Ali…. with 75 golden camels, lions, tigers, a brass band and more, with his 40 waiters, and butchers, bakers, and birds that warble on key.”…. and then tells him to “Remember. Beeeeeee yourself.”

…. and that is for KIDS. To train little boys just to be nervous about SPEAKING to a female unless they put on some kind of theatrical display for her attention and affection.

• Some Kind of Wonderful. A VERY culturally significant John Hughes film from the 80’s with Leia Thompson and Eric Stoltz in which he wastes his entire college education savings on a pair of earrings for her and spends the entire film trying to be “good enough” and “impress” her. This is probably the most blatant example of “status” (with one woman as the prize) as I can even recall in 25 years. Classic stereotypical social dynamics played out by a “Beta” against an “Alpha” for her attention.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrederickTheGreatParticipant 235]

Aladdin has always bothered me as well. I don’t like the scene where Jasmine pretends to like Jaffar. I end up feeling sorry for him.

I think something in your post illustrates the innate sense of courtesy that I can’t find from the “fairer sex” in a relations~~~. You write: “This was put in the right place but we will move it into MGTOW Central for the time being.” You actually thought about my feelings. You wanted me to know that I had put the post in the right place, so I wouldn’t feel that I made a mistake upon finding it moved. That is the kind of courtesy for which I have searched in vain from any woman in a relationship. These women would probably either say nothing, or try to make me feel stupid for having “failed” to guess correctly.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

FrederickTheGreat wrote:

You wanted me to know that I had put the post in the right place, so I wouldn’t feel that I made a mistake upon finding it moved. That is the kind of courtesy for which I have searched in vain from any woman in a relationship.

Glad you noticed.

Right back to you. You could have just posted it wherever you wanted, and you’re brand new here, but you made an effort to look for the right forum for it. We appreciate that too. Thoughtfulness and consideration doesn’t grow on trees, but we see plenty of it here.

I read yet ANOTHER dozen introductions last night and all of them well written. I actually shook my head because how respectful everyone is, and how guys (who don’t even have English as a first language) make the effort to write something eloquent, capitalize and punctuate and break up paragraphs for other readers.

… and then I came across a female dating profile just last week where she wrote “You really need to be able to spell”.

Men who are smart enough to “spell” ( in more than one language ) aren’t looking for YOU, honey.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

Can anyone name any that aren’t that way? I can’t.

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

WhackerGuy2030 wrote:

Can anyone name any that aren’t that way? I can’t.

Keymaster wrote:

Do you have an hour?

Listing them would take a month. Of course women constantly talk about the pressures of societal beauty expectations and how to be attractive to men, but they don’t get it from men. They get it from fashion and beauty magazines which are for women , by women, and are designed to make women feel ugly.

The whole you need to be worthy of women message is also very misleading, women are not even turned on by men who work that hard to “win” her. They portray women as a “prize” and want to be seen that way, and then Princess Jasmine shouts “I AM NOT A PRIZE TO BE WON!”

Holy f~~~ing hypocrisy, Batman.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Rare exceptions do exist.

For one example, The Godfather Michael absolutely refuses to change for Kay.

For another, Jack Reacher Jack gets the job done and leaves the cute blond lawyer behind.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 7]

Taxi driver in a way and tons more just aren’t coming to mind.

All movies today you could find subtle traces of it.

Rare exceptions would be movies without women in them

[NeutronParticipant 321]

And perhaps my favorite MGTOW movie of all time, Ayn Rand’s ‘The Fountainhead’ in which the protagonist, played splendidly by Gary Cooper sticks to his values and individualism – and corporate scheming and beautiful women be damned. Cooper did end up getting the woman, but on his own terms.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[Grim-Participant 454]

I’ll add in some myself.

And first off, some of these movies actually started out good. But, it went mangina/white knight/PUA fast because women infested the direction of the movie.

Kung Fu Panda (series)
It’s a kid’s movie about anthropomorphic animals living in a kung fu based fantasy world. The first movie was all about finding “the dragon master” and then, training the main character into becoming that master. Second movie was good, I barely remember the fights. But, by the last scenes, the main character started a relations~~~ with another main character.

Back To The Future (Series)
A movie about a MGTOW scientist creating a time machine. The plot was good for the most part, but again, the movie ended up being about chasing a girl because the main character ended up messing with the past. Now, he has to try to find a way to “fix” the relations~~~ or else, he’ll become nonexistent.

Disciple Me (Series)
The first movie was great, even though he got stuck with kids. It was about a MGTOW criminal trying to become one of the greatest thieves in the world. Second movie was all about relations~~~s and men chasing after the women.

The 40 Year Old Virgin
It’s about a guy who’s been a virgin all of his life and he’s ashamed to be one. His friends finds out and tries to turn him into a PUA. I never saw the ending, because, the movie was total s~~~.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

They created an entire genre for it. It’s called Romantic Comedy.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I wonder if porn for girls includes scenes where the man has to change for her in some way

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[narwhalParticipant]

Slight twist, Antman. The protagonist loses everything and ends up in jail for burglary for whistle-blowing purposes. When he gets out of jail, he can’t get a decent job, and is blocked from seeing his daughter because he isn’t paying child support (despite the fact that ex remarried and is living in middle class home…the child is not suffering). The step dad shows little respect for our protagonist and they consider him a deadbeat. Ex wife tells him if he wants to see his daughter, he needs to get a job.

So he is motivated to become Antman so that he can be viewed as respectable and allowed to see his daughter again (who wanted to see him, always believe, in him and never saw him as a loser before he became Antman).

Message: You must meet the approval of women and their mangina allies before you can see you’re own children.

Ok. Then do it.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

the worst is when the movie shows a divorced guy trying to win back his ex-wife. 2012 made me want to puke, not just because it was a s~~~ty movie but for the story arc I just mentioned.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

American Pie movies
Twilight saga
Any Disney movie
Any Micheal Bay movie

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[EskimospyParticipant 841]

Shallow Hal. Even though there’s a call for ‘improvement’, but it’s really more of a man shaming movie, thinking a man superficial for having his own standards instead of having standards that others demand he have.

What Women Want. That’s probably the most obvious one out there.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I was just talking with a friend today about the movie ‘Pretty Woman’.
In that one, the hyper-rich, handsome, powerful man finally “improves” himself by screwing up a multi-million dollar deal for his firm, all to impress a goddamned whore enough so she’d marry him. Stupidest f~~~ing plot I ever saw, and one of America’s women’s favorite movies.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

That’s one of the things I like about some of the old western stories. Yes, the cowboy sometimes get’s the girl (unless he just rides away), but often she first has to prove that she has some guts and gumption by, you know, killing savage natives, or skinning a buffalo, or sewing his arm back on or something. Little value placed on the childish, capricious city girls with their devious ways. Probably all bulls~~~, but it makes a good story.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[FrederickTheGreatParticipant 235]

What do you think about “Taken?” **Warning: not difficult to predict spoilers ahead***

There is a lot of exposition about the women in Liam’s life rendering him powerless. His ex-wife lives a life of luxury with her new husband, yet she lays the guilt on the poor guy who is just trying to serve his country. She does everything she can to undermine him in the eyes of their daughter. She seems to have full custody, and it’s a struggle for him to see the daughter. His daughter only acknowledges his existence when she wants something from him. Only when his daughter is kidnapped does Liam suddenly become useful (you know…because he has “a particular set of skills”). The moment Liam and the daughter return to the airport, she goes home with her worthless mother and stepfather!
It’s a pretty red pill view of the situation for men. I’m curious as to how you view Liam’s character and the film from a MGTOW standpoint.

In the Taken sequels, Liam tries to win back his ex-wife, which is pretty pathetic and not worth commenting upon (just as the sequels themselves are not worth watching, in my opinion).

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I had just finished watching “The Pacific” and I didn’t like how the movie had to portray a hero like Marine Gunnery Sergeant John Basilone.
On the island of Guadalcanal in 1942, at great risk to his own life, Sgt. Basilone got the Medal of Honor by gunning down a wave of hundreds of charging Japanese troops going against his machine gun. As a result, Basilone is recalled to the States as a hero to sell war bonds and to pose alongside famous actresses who usually wouldn’t look twice at a lowly enlisted man. But, hey…to be wined and dined at the finest places, and even getting some top choice pussy sounds pretty good. Still, after a year of this lifestyle, Sgt. Basilone tires of it and requests to go back to duty. His Medal of Honor means that he’d never be ordered into combat again, but he requests it since he feels like he can still help some Marines out there before they see combat themselves.
While putting a company of trainees through the ropes, Sgt. Basilone meets some woman named Lena. She’s also a Marine sergeant, working in the mess halls(cafeteria), but she’s also a cold-faced bitch to him. He simply wants to ask her out to dinner. No more than that to be expected. He manages to get them a nice table, where she mocks him with a story where once, she had to wait in line to go into a restaurant, but Basilone went into the same restaurant and out again with different women while everyone gawked and complimented him and she still had to wait. Then she accuses his success at getting them a table that night as just an attempt to try and have sex with her. Basilone is clearly confused and says, “What did I do wrong?” She snaps, “You didn’t do anything a thousand other guys would try to do. You just did it in a better room” and then storms out.
Basically, I don’t like seeing one of our finest military WW2 legends all of a sudden turning into a pussy and trying his luck to hook the same woman again and again when it’s quite obvious that she hates him. Most guys would say “f~~~ this bitch” and move on to someone who still appreciates them, but Johnny Basilone has to give his all and keeps chasing after her when she shows little affection. They eventually marry, of course, and then Basilone is killed at the Battle of Iwo Jima after a marriage of 7 months. It makes me wonder if his wife was really like that, or if it was Hollywood’s idea to turn this woman into a cold-faced bitch that Sgt. Basilone just HAS to conquer and tame for himself at a time when his name was known by every family in America and there was no shortage of women who would have treated him better(they sure did in the 1940s). I’m sure there is no shortage of military films where the poor soldier has to jump through so many hoops for the demands of a bitch when he’s in a profession that doesn’t allow so much free time and attention for Cupcake.

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