Might not be MGTOW anymore

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

It takes guts to be as vulnerable as Rockmaninoff in a forum like this. Hats off, bro for coming clean about your intentions and good luck with whatever comes your way. Better to have blue pilled, red pilled, then, gone back, then to have never gone mgtow ever. I know some of you may not like this, but it’s fair at least.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[MecklotParticipant 608]

Well, MGTOW or not, it’s your life, brother. However, I would advise you to exercise extreme caution. By associating yourself with women, you are inviting possible drama into your life.

I said it once, I’ll say it again: Women only offer problems and bring no solutions.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

I’m of the opinion that women are like drugs: they can be very dangerous, and they have destroyed (and are destroying) many men who mess with them; but if you’re careful, know the risks, and use them in moderation, you can have a positive, healthy experience.

Nevertheless, you’re playing with fire. Just like drugs, a sexual harassment accusation is enough to turn your world upside down.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

You might also say that you shouldn’t give your attention until a woman has earned it i.e., treat your attention the way women treat sex. To that I respond: you, out of all people, should know that women take the initiative in absolutely f~~~ing nothing

Personally, the fact that they don’t take any initiative is the reason why women don’t deserve any attention from men.

So why even expend your effort on them if they don’t value what you do for them?

Also, keep in mind that the women you’re seeing may possibly have other men to cling on to.

It sounds like you’re limiting interactions with women to sexual encounters, but keep in mind that you might become a beta provider for women. We all know women can trap a man into parenthood because she “forgot” to take birth control or the condom “broke” or some other s~~~.

I’m probably repeating stuff you already know, but still…

Tread carefully, @rockmaninoff.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Rocmaninoff, I think you are here for the wrong reason. You came here as an alternative to your fear to approach women and rejection. But MGTOW is not an alternative to social insecurity.
MGTOW is the realization that it’s bad business, be free to do as you wish, but do not by any concept measure your selft worth by your ability to fall in women traps.
MGTOW is not a religion there is no rules. Just be a MAN and be proud of being a man.
Couse no women can tell you, that you are not a men or you are worthless, don’t be afraid to talk to women they are just people.
They eat, and s~~~ and their farts are deadly 😂😂😂
Be well, be free and enjoy yourselft. But never forget what you are and never forget the gender you belong to.
The strongest, smartest, deadlier predator that ever walked the earth.
Good luck.
PD; just don’t marry ok?
😂😂😂

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

This is what you get after she has locked you in…

This video gained 1 million views almost overnight.

I am sure it hits home with more men than we can imagine.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

When I was unemployed (and had time to browse these forums), I was, like you, frustrated about women, about how they treated me, and the like. I limited my interactions with them, thinking that it wasn’t worth it, that I had more important s~~~ to worry about, and focused on myself, my hobbies, and finding employment.

Now I have a job I really like that pays me well, a mere six months of going to the gym regularly has done wonders to my health, my appearance, my physique, my strength, my mood, I feel that my life is really good and I have a lot to look forward to. The only thing that I feel is missing is that there is/are no woman/women in my life.

So getting a job and going to gym changed your views on women?

[joetechParticipant]

You’re going your own way. No one way is the right way. Only YOU can determine what is right for you. Isolating yourself isn’t healthy, but being cognizant and confident is key to anyone’s well being. We’ll always be here for you…just watch out for the potholes.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[bladeParticipant]

Good luck on ya journey . See you soon young fella .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[VassagoShaxParticipant 255]

Probably fair to say that the opinions offered here will be as diverse in colour as the rainbow. I’d say we are creatures of instinct though we don’t necessarily have to be slaves to it. It is your life, your choice. I would say it is for each of us to decide what we want and how we go about getting it.

The only thing I will add is that a lot, perhaps even most here have very good and grounded reasons for feeling the way we do about women. I wouldn’t tie a blindfold on and leap into the abyss, so I would suggest being careful. Your motives and desires might be genuine, but I am pretty sure that not all women will have the same agenda you do. But best of luck.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Twist wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

80 percent of women have that…

Gar,

All your bashing of borderlines is very stigmatizing. Its not like they will all stab you in the back.

(Some will stab you in the eye)

I know, it’s just too hard to summarize all pitfalls of dealing with c~~~s into such a short text.

You are right: They ALL stab you in the back. And BPD comes in all “shapes and sizes”, just like the land whales do.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Mecklot wrote:

I said it once, I’ll say it again: Women only offer problems and bring no solutions.

I had a relationship before. She was a lovely person (when she wanted to be). Though we don’t speak anymore, we left on good terms. My life is without question more enriched because she was in it.

Mecklot wrote:

Just like drugs, a sexual harassment accusation is enough to turn your world upside down.

It’s true that women can cry rape whenever they want, and it causes headache. But there’s really nothing you can do about that. You could be walking down the street, and a woman you walk by could yell “RAPE,” attack you, and then get the cops on her side. Does that mean you shouldn’t walk down the street anymore?

Gargamel wrote:

This video gained 1 million views almost overnight.

At the risk of “blaming the victim” I do believe that emotionally f~~~ed up men and women attract each other. We already know that women who like it when men ignore them and mistreat them end up with men who ignore them and mistreat them (I know that it often happens that loving, trusting women end up with abusive assholes, and loving, trusting men end up with horrible women; but that’s why you don’t get married or cohabitate).

I trust my judgement well enough to be able to eject from a relationship well before it gets to a stage like that.

Mecklot wrote:

Personally, the fact that they don’t take any initiative is the reason why women don’t deserve any attention from men.

If I’m walking by, and I see a woman who is cute and whom I’d like to meet, then I want to meet her. I don’t care what she does or what she thinks or what she deserves; the fact that I want to meet her ought to be reason enough for my taking the initiative to meet her.

If both men and women cross their arms and say “the other sex should take the initiative!” nothing would ever get done. I’m sick of waiting around for a “proper” woman who takes initiative. I believe that if women don’t take initiative in the dating process, it’s simply because they’re scared to (approaching strangers and breaking social barriers is scary!).

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Bob DylanParticipant 1350]

MGTOW means exactly that. This site can be anything from an oasis to a destination. Once you have been here, you can always find your way back. A major side-effect of the Red Pill, is that it becomes difficult / impossible to un-see and un-know certain things.
The best of luck to you !

..it ain't me babe...it ain't me you're looking for, babe...

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

He got his way guys. Good luck brother and migth you find the unicorn we refuse to chase.
But if s~~~ turn ugly drop a rope in this direction and not on your neck.
All the best.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Going your own way means doing what you want in life without having to conform to what people tell you that you have to be. Just because a bunch of us have chosen to shut ourselves out from women doesn’t mean everyone who is MGTOW has to travel that road. If you understand female nature and understand the risks posed by being in relationships with women and you feel you can navigate the mine field, that’s YOUR CHOICE to make as a MGYOW.

There are certain universal truths about women. Many of them talked about here. They will s~~~ test you. On a conscious and subconscious level. They will try to control you at some point. These are truths. If you are aware of these things, and have the ability to crack the whip when they surface and you can as I said “navigate the mine field”, then all the power to you.

Your life is YOURS to live. Not ours. You DON’T need to seek or win ANYONE’s approval in life. Not out there, not on here. Because at the end of the day, the only one looking in the mirror when you get up in the morning and before you go to bed at night is YOU. Yourself. Be happy with who YOU are. And be happy with the life that YOU live.

[TuneoutParticipant]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Now I have a job I really like that pays me well, a mere six months of going to the gym regularly has done wonders to my health, my appearance, my physique, my strength, my mood, I feel that my life is really good and I have a lot to look forward to. The only thing that I feel is missing is that there is/are no woman/women in my life.

I suppose I’ve always cared, but in the past I’ve found it not worth the effort and was too upset and bitter about how women in the past have treated me. But I think it’s come to the point in my life where biology has won over, and I really do desire sex, companionship, intimacy, etc., so much so that I have to do something about it.

NO! fight that urge ESP now – they are just not worth the trouble now that you’re back on track – if you REALLY need female companionship any higher end escort will give you an memorable GFE with out all the BS of actually having one.

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Because I my social circles have no women (for good reason), I’ve implemented a simple habit: I go up to at least one girl a day, and tell her that she’s cute and I want to meet her.

Thats just an invitation for sexual harassment today,brother.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Left siteParticipant 451]

OldBill wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

What do you think? Does my desire for women, my initiative to satisfy that desire, my optimism in the outcome, and my belief I can eventually find a woman/women whose values and desires align with mine, and that we can enrich each other’s lives, mean I’m not MGTOW anymore?

You’re still a MGTOW because you’re living your life on your own terms.

Like too many sadly, you have confused MGTOW and being a man going his own way with only being a celibate hermit or monk.

I have an active social life, a social life which includes women. I engage with that social life and with those women on my own terms. There are no claims or responsibilities except for those which I freely accept.

There are women in my life who enrich my life. They do so, however, on my terms.

There are women in my who I see socially. They do so, however, on my terms.

There are even women in my life with whom I have sex. Again, that occurs on my terms.

MGTOW is not an “all or nothing” proposition. MGTOW is all about risk management and mitigation. Some risks are best avoided entirely, others can be managed to some extent or another. Just which risk is which will depend on the man in question.

We are all individuals. That means each of our journeys are individual ones.

You are aware of the risks. You are managing those risks. You are going your own way.

You are a MGTOW.

My beliefs allign with old bill here. Its fine to have female friends and hang out. Personally though I wont date or get married. A one night stand with protection is fine. But remember there are other types of mgtow. Live how you want you dont gotta be one of the mgtow monks. Just keep in mind what youve learned here and the signs of when she is going to be a problem.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Tuneout wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Now I have a job I really like that pays me well, a mere six months of going to the gym regularly has done wonders to my health, my appearance, my physique, my strength, my mood, I feel that my life is really good and I have a lot to look forward to. The only thing that I feel is missing is that there is/are no woman/women in my life.

I suppose I’ve always cared, but in the past I’ve found it not worth the effort and was too upset and bitter about how women in the past have treated me. But I think it’s come to the point in my life where biology has won over, and I really do desire sex, companionship, intimacy, etc., so much so that I have to do something about it.

NO! fight that urge ESP now – they are just not worth the trouble now that you’re back on track – if you REALLY need female companionship any higher end escort will give you an memorable GFE with out all the BS of actually having one.

get one of those “snuggle” girls or whatever lol.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Hello,

What do you think? Does my desire for women, my initiative to satisfy that desire, my optimism in the outcome, and my belief I can eventually find a woman/women whose values and desires align with mine, and that we can enrich each other’s lives, mean I’m not MGTOW anymore?

You have to do whatever makes you happy but…….

What you desire from Women is something that you will never achieve, not bc it is anything you were doing wrong, but simply bc of how Women are Biologically built, and how society is structured.

For example, I wish I could eat Chocolate Cake and Fried foods everyday and not get fat. But I can’t bc the human body needs Protein, fiber, and other healthy foods to survive as well as Calories in moderation.

You have to fight biological instincts. It’s hard but doable. Ultimately your life is your own, do what you believe makes you happy. But if you can’t achieve what you wish than is there really a point to trying it at all?

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[Chase PesosParticipant 2136]

Good luck, bro. However, you don’t know what you’re missing if you’ve never had it.

Maybe that unicorn is out there for you. Better you than anyone

Chase a check, never chase a chick...

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Good luck with modern women dude *chuckle*

[BoarParticipant]

Good luck. You will be back, sooner or later. The big question will be: what have you lost?

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

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